IAEA: 30 Countries Have Tecnologhy To Develope Nuclear Weapons

Post-9/11 Era Forum

Mohamed Elbarradei, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, warned that as many as 30 countries have technology to develop nuclear arms " in a very short time". " The knowledge
is out of the tube.. both for peaceful purpose and unfortunately not for peaceful purposes".

Their are nine countries knon to have nuclear weapons (and to have used them) - Russia China, France, United States, Britain,Israel,Pakistan,India and now North Korea

According to U.N. officials, countries considering developing nuclear programs in the near future- Egypt, Bangladesh, Scotland, Ghana, Indonesia, Jordan, Nambima, Maldova, Nigeria, Poland, Thailand, Turkey, Vietnam and Yemen

Brazil, Iran and other nations- are currently working to develop uranium enrichment capability

Australia, Argentina and South Africa- recently announced they are considering developing enrichment programs to sell fuel to states that want to generate electricity with nuclear reactors.

Japan- says it has no plans to develop atomic weapons, but it could make them at short notice.

South Korea- a few years ago was caught coonducting secret experiments on making highly enriched uranium that could be used on warheads.

Malcolm lets cut to the chase you are a liar and I can prove it. You made this "report" from Mr Elbarradei up. Firstly Elbarradei does not call himself the chief he is the director general, secondly I doubt that the IAEA director general would be so stupid as to lie and say that all members of the "nuclear club" have used thier nukes, You mentions Scotland again, so now Mr Elbarradei has broken up the UK and showed complete ignorance about where Britains nuclear detterent is held, Moldova this would be the same Moldova who confirmed to the IAEA on May 2006 that it is commited to non proliferation right that same country? Also I am surpised that he mentioned Ghana when he must have full knowledge that a country like Ghana a country that is heavily dependent on aid cannot afford a nuclear program.
And then I checked on the IAEA website surely if the director general had spouted this BS he or his organisation would have put it on thier webpage. So I checked the press releases and news page and even the director generals page and guess what, shock horror this report does not exsist. How do you explain all of this malcolm?

http://www.iaea.org/

Don't need a name of the article or the writer just give me a link, something else you NEVER do.

However it changes nothing fact is fact. Only 1 member of the nuclear club has used nukes, Scotland is part of the UK and as such has no indepndent nuclear detterent and has no plans for one, Moldova remains commited to this day opting out of the nuclear club, and Ghana is to poor and to reliant on aid to afford a nuclear progarm either defensive or civil, looking at your post again Namibia and Bangladesh are probably in the same boat as Ghan and Viertnam even if it could afford a nuclear defense program would not as it does not want to be the straw that broke the camels back in the inevitable Pacific rim arms race it would cause.
Oh yeah another little heads up regardinmg this pieceof claptrap Inidia, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel do not offcially count as in the nuclear club because they have all not sines the NPT and because Isarel and N.Korea have not offically admiited or proved that they have nukes. What or your interviewer is claiming is that Mr Barradei does not know all of this?
Anyway give me the link show me the journalist who claimed all of this, the paper he writes for and the date on which the interview occured and of course it shuld go without saying a copy of the transcript.

While you are doing that may I suggest we put this pathetic Scottish nuke issue to bed below is a link on the UK's nuclear deterent. You will notice that the link shows where the sube were bilt, where they are based and which country / state they belong to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_class_submarine

That's 2 links that lodgebo has provided to support his claims, Malcolm. Will you do the same and provide a link, if the article is on the internet? Just copy the address in it's entirety and paste it into your reply, and we should be good with that. What is required for a discussion like this, is references to be provided. As it stands right now, your initial post reads as if it is YOU that is making the claims. If a journalist did it, please give that journalist credit for their work by either giving their name and article title, or even better, providing a link to the article if it's located on the internet.

Malcolm you really are slow on the uptake aren't you son I am guessing that you are probably around 15 but then again a 15 year old would have understood by.

It's blatantly obvious you have not read the link I posted and it is blatnatly obvious that you are try to use the Scottish thing ot deflect attention from your blatant lies about the IAEA ( lost the artcle yeah right)

Oh and another thing I have NEVER said Scotland is nuclear free ever so don't you start telling lies about me. Why would I even say that we have nucler powere stations and the UK's fleet of nuclear subs is based in sCotland so why would I say we are nucler free? go post the link in which I say that Scotlan is nuclear free or retract this lie.

Oh and your links actually back ME up thanks Maclolm yep the ban the bomb talks about Tony's nuclear ambition and that Tony would be Tony Blair the leader of the UK ibcluding Scotland if the Trdent program was a solely Scottish issue what has Tony got to do with it? < CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION

Anyway I am not going to waste my time on this until you read the link something you have not done because if you did you would realise that you are wrong (again) so read the link and get educated ok. Also they were revealed Man you act like they were hidden away somewhere it's common knowledge where they are. Just read the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_class_submarine

Now onto your other points and just show how little you know. FDirst of all you know nothing about Scottish media in that we have very little conservative media up here but everyone knows that Trident's 25 years are up and yes there has been opposition not just from Scottish people but Briths people because it is a British weapon. Howevere Malcolm must have pooled all 5.5 million of us because he knows that majority want it gone and that's simply not the case it is a split for example I think we should renew the weapons.

Maclom here is what you can do to put this to bed once and for all why don't you use the links you posted to e - mail CND and ask them if Scotland or the UK owns the nuclear weapons?

Then post thier reply here to prove you are wrong again.

Intresting issue going back to the original story. Ghana was today elected as the head country of the AU finally removing Sudan who gained back to back election victories despite allowing genocide in Darfur. Anyway the point is this if Malcolms story is rempotly true does it not shoe the ignorance of the AU by appointing Gahn as the head country when it is developing nuclear wepaons also why did Ghana not declare this before the election surely that makes it a secret nuclear weapons program and is that's the case what do we do about it sanctions probaly maybe rmove all aid for starters.

Two interesting articles in the Guardian today. The first a report by the IPCC, a body that brings together 2,500 scientists from 30 countries around the world, states that it is 90% likely that it is our pollution causing global warming.

And secondly, a report on how the energy industry, with close links to the Bush admin, is offering $10,000 to scientists to undermine the report.

Lodgebo you are begginning to contradict yourself and it is confising us. Can you answer these simple quesions to clarrify your position. Relax on semantics.


- Does Scotland have nuclear programs in country? It doesn't matter who is the owner.

- You say Scotland allows country to only to reveal the Trident Nuclear submarines. Are they developed in another ****try and driven to Scotland to be seen?

-You continue to avoid this question but :Where is the nuclear waste stored? How would you feel if it was stored close to your home? Are you aware of the amount of nuclear waste that will be made in 300 to 500 years?

If Scotland votes for independence from England, wouldn't a nuclear weapon be a good detterent?


What does Scottish people think? http://www.greenleft.org.au/2003/552/29664

Malcolm: Scotland is part of the UK

it's like, if there are weapons harbored in California, they are not California's they are the United States'

The weapons may be physically stored in Scotland, but it is the UK.

MAP OF THE UNITED KINGDOM

http://www.inreview.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=688408

the United Kingdom is one sovereign entity.

It has four main subdivisions: England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland

so instead of saying Scotland, just say the UK

Thank you Dekka because i am sick of banging my head of a brick wall when it come to Maclom trying to convince me that Scotland became a nuclear supepower without telling anyone.

Lodgebo are you saying Scotland will no longer be intrested in Nuclear anything?
++++++++++++++++++++

That all depends on wins the election. If the SNP win then no nuclear weapons and possibly no nuclear power stations. If the Lib Dems win no nuclear nothing. If Labour win then it pretty much stays the same except no nuclear waste, Labour will pretty much toe the line from the Labour governemnt in England. The rest of the parties have not got a snowballs chance in hell of winning so it's irrelevent.

However to give you and idea of what might happen anyway consider this. Polls suggest that no party will get the required number of seats to take power so you will need a coalition. now each of the 3 main parties have ruled out a coalition with one another so it would mean working with a smaller party and the most attrctive party to work with will be the green party who are 100% anti nuclear thats not a problem for the lib dems but it's a big problem for Labour and could be a problem for the SNP should they consider nuclear power stations.

Nah still proves you are a liar. See it's not so much about what he said as the content that you orginally put in you see in the very first post you said that El Barredi sated that all nine members haves used hier weapons well in this article he did not say that so you lied.
Egypt, Bangladesh, Scotland, Ghana, Indonesia, Jordan, Namibia, Moldova, Nigeria, Poland, Thailand, Turkey and Yemen where according to mr El Barredi developing nuclkear weapons but he agai he does not say this so again you lied.
He makes no mention of Australia, Argentina or RSA selling fuel so again another lie
And South Korea was not caught consucting secret experiements a few years ago that was the North so another lie, but El Barredi did not say that did he.
As for Mr Jahn well he is wrong because Mr El Barredi is not calles the chief he is the director general check the IAEA website if you don't belive me.

One stroy stating the obvious does not sientegrate a whole series of lies you posted Malcolm. Now if you can find me anews article where EL Barredi says all of the above from a legitimate news agency and post a link ( something you have not done again) then I wil retract my statement otherwise you stroy remains a pathetic bundle of lies and half truths.

Just to stop from repeating myself, I want to jump in here with a link to another thread started by Malcolm a little while ago where I explained that the Scottish government doesn't have the authority to start their own nuclear programme.

http://www.inreview.com/showthread....15&pagenumber=2

And just a slightly off topic question for Lodgebo, do you have no Tories in Scotland? You said SNP, Lib Dems and Labour but I didn't see the Conservatives mentioned. It could just be me missing it but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Oh there are Tories but very few ( 13 I think) in Scotland but they ahve no chance in hell of getting power come May and I was only talking about the policies of those who have a chance of taking power.

[QUOTE]lodgebo said this in post #27 :
Nah still proves you are a liar. See it's not so much about what he said as the content that you orginally put in you see in the very first post you said that El Barredi sated that all nine members haves used hier weapons well in this article he did not say that so you lied.
Egypt, Bangladesh, Scotland, Ghana, Indonesia, Jordan, Namibia, Moldova, Nigeria, Poland, Thailand, Turkey and Yemen where according to mr El Barredi developing nuclkear weapons but he agai he does not say this so again you lied.
He makes no mention of Australia, Argentina or RSA selling fuel so again another lie
And South Korea was not caught consucting secret experiements a few years ago that was the North so another lie, but El Barredi did not say that did he.
As for Mr Jahn well he is wrong because Mr El Barredi is not calles the chief he is the director general check the IAEA website if you don't belive me.

One stroy stating the obvious does not sientegrate a whole series of lies you posted Malcolm. Now if you can find me anews article where EL Barredi says all of the above from a legitimate news agency and post a link ( something you have not done again) then I wil retract my statement otherwise you stroy remains a pathetic bundle of lies and half truths. [/QUOTE

Lodge, layoff the SCOTCH. Because of length, I didn't print whole article. Thats why I didn't print what you say is proof that this article is not true. I thought you would undersand , but you probably wasn't sober at time. I wil print some of Jahn's article to expose your propaganda.

George Jahn's ElBaradei artcle:

Other nations, including Austalia, Argentina and South Africa, have recently announced that they are considering developing enrichment programs to be able to SELL FUEL to states that want to generate electricity with nuclear reactors...

Other countries considering developing nuclrear programs in the near future are Egypt, Bangladesh,Ghana,Indonesia,Jordan,Nambia,Maldova.... and Yeman, U.N. officials say...

South Korea also has spent reactor fuel and was found a few years ago to have conducted small-scale secret experiments on making highly enriched uranium that would be usable in warheads...



...the nine states known or suspected to have nuclear weapons... I left off suspected because everyone knows Isreal has nukes. An Israeli was put in jail for exposing the site. And I didn't say all nine countries used nuclear , I meant only US. Not a journalist.

Well done you have actually posted an articvle witout reading it all the through.

You see Malcolm Mr El Barredi NEVER singled any one country in this now infamous interview but you never told anyone that did you? you made it appear as if El Barredi himsewlf mentioned those countries and he did not did he?

The countries you mntion which are in the article I garnt you well that is the writer doing a little research for himself ( thats why you got sonfused good research is foreign to you) All this stroy does is prove how much of a liar you are Firstly the artcle does not even mentions Scotland so why did you lie and put it in?

Also if you had done some further research you would have known that Poland, Moldova and Turkey have ditched the nuclear plans and Ghan can't afford it anymore.

See what you did was cut and paste bits of the story to make it look like El Barredi singled out these countries which he did not so you lied

You claimed Scotland was on this list but it was not so you lied again

And then you did no follow up research on these countries despite the article being nearly 5 months old and a knowing a lot has changed in those 5 months especially in EU poltics and policies so you were stupid.


http://www.ibnlive.com/news/30-nati...1-2-single.html

There are a few things I don't undersatnd about the stroy esp regarding Poland. Poland was the main driving force behind the PSI for gods sake and has spent the last 4 years working with Russia to destroy waste that could be used for nukes and the UN should know that. So that rules Poland out.

As for egypt yes they made a mistake in Jan 200 but the IAEA had concluded that it was nothing more than an oversight on the part of egypt also they have cut a lot of contact with N. Korea.

As for poor old Bangladesh how it got involved in this stroy is beyond me. Bangladesh has an impeccable NPT record and although has expressed frustartion about the lack of disarmamanet it's leaders remain commited to the NPT.

Ghana despite being unable to afford a nuke has continaully reaffirmied it's "commitment to the articles in the treaty"

As for Indonesia maybe back in 65 when Sakuro was worried about Malaysia but not nowadays.

Namibia signed the NPT in the 90s and has so far remained commited

I will do the other ones later I need to do a little research on Thailand and nigeria before running my mouth on something I don't know about.

Elbaradei article:



ElBaradei was crtical of nuclear-weapons states for not signing or ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which prohibits all nuclear explosions. It will not take effect until it has been ratified by 44 states that have nuclear programs.

So far, 34 have ratified it. Countries that refuse to sign include the U.S., China, Israel, India, Pakistan and North Korea.

[QUOTE]lodgebo said this in post #2 :
[B]Malcolm lets cut to the chase you are a liar and I can prove it. You made this "report" from Mr Elbarradei up.

Ok I got this bit wrong I have the balls to admith when I am wrong maybe you should do the same RE Scotland an nuclear weapons.


Firstly Elbarradei does not call himself the chief he is the director general,

Thats true he ALWAYS calls himself Director general not the chief.

secondly I doubt that the IAEA director general would be so stupid as to lie and say that all members of the "nuclear club" have used thier nukes,

This is another of your lies cos he never said that in the article did he?

You mentions Scotland again, so now Mr Elbarradei has broken up the UK and showed complete ignorance about where Britains nuclear detterent is held

Not going over this again your wrong admit it and move on.

Moldova this would be the same Moldova who confirmed to the IAEA on May 2006 that it is commited to non proliferation right that same country?

Thats true check it out if you don't belive me.

Also I am surpised that he mentioned Ghana when he must have full knowledge that a country like Ghana a country that is heavily dependent on aid cannot afford a nuclear program.

Agian thats true and Ghana have commited not to pursue nukes.

And then I checked on the IAEA website surely if the director general had spouted this BS he or his organisation would have put it on thier webpage. So I checked the press releases and news page and even the director generals page and guess what, shock horror this report does not exsist. How do you explain all of this malcolm?

Thats true it's not on the IAEA webpage at all, like I said it's an obscure article and it shows how highley regarded the IAEA hold it that theyw ont carry it on thier website.

So see malcolm I did not lie what I did was do some research if you bothered doing any you would have found all this out for yourself.

RE the post I was doing on countries and thier nuclear status I need a bit more info on Thailand and it might take a few dys so I won't be able to post anything about it until Wednesday at the earliest so just giving my apologies for the delay.

Have you read post number 8 re Scotlands ( sorry Britains) nuclear technology. You know malcolm my 5 yeard old neighbour can understand how the UK is set up and who has responsability for what and yet you can and you are probabaly ten yeard older than her, that says a lot for your intellignce does it not that a 5 year old can grap in an hour what you have not grasped in a year. But lets try one last time and see if we can getbthrought that thick skull of yours:

The United Kingodm is 4 countries Wales, England, Scotland and Northern but not the republic of Ireland in 2001 power was devolved not taken away from London in regard to wales, Scotland and N. Ireland. The devolved parliments were responsible for things like:
Health
Education
Crime
Local funding

To give you an example of the diffrences in Scotland in Scotland if you are sick and their is a drug you get it regrdless of cost in England cost is taken into consideration
In Scotland our elderly get free care don't think that happens in England
In Scotland you don't pay uni fees while you are at uni.
In Scotland hunting wioth dogs is banned not innEngland
In Scotland smoking in public places is banned not in England ( in july it will be not now)

So you see the diffrences that devolution brings

Now things that we are not responsabile for is:

Amount of funding that devolved governments get (It's an awkward issue that you won't get)
Immigration
Police tactics
Public sector pay
And importantly in this issue Malcolm military and power issues. Anyhting militray wise in scotland including thoise subs are British not Scottish and that is the same for power. Oh and FYI the weapons that go on the subs might not even be in Scotlandbut you already knmew that right.

Oh and if we were involved in a covert program ofnuclear technolgy why have we not been poulled up by the rest of the UK after all the funding we get comes from London remember surely they would think we are spending money awful fast when in fact we send a lotof it back. The UN have said very little not even a draft resolution on it ditto the EU why is that?

As foir the witchhunt I will styop when you drop the unresearched and racists and sometimes bigoted posts until then I will pull you up on your BS