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Posted by: Lawless

POSTED: 11:07 p.m. EST, December 29, 2006

Story Highlights
• NEW: Official: "Saddam's body is in front me. It's over."
• NEW: Witnesses report people "dancing around the body"
• Hussein lawyers lost last-minute appeal in U.S. court
• No details on where execution took place

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed, a witness said.

"Saddam's body is in front me," said an official in the prime minister's office when CNN telephoned. "It's over."

In the background, Shiite chanting could be heard. When asked about the chanting, the official said "These are employees of the prime minister's office and government chanting in celebration."

The witness reported that celebrations broke out after Hussein was dead, and that there was "dancing around the body."

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did not attend the execution, according to an adviser to the prime minister who was interviewed on state television.

The execution was videotaped and photographed, state television reported, and those images will be distributed to the media.

Al-Arabiya television network reported that Barzan Hassan, Hussein's half-brother, and Awad Bandar, former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, were hanged after Hussein. All three were convicted of killings in the Iraqi town of Dujail nearly 25 years ago.

Earlier, Munir Haddad, a judge on the appeals court that upheld the former dictator's death sentence, and an adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki each confirmed the paperwork needed for Hussein's execution had been prepared late Friday.

At the same time, a U.S. district judge refused a request to stay the execution.

Attorney Nicholas Gilman said in an application for a restraining order, filed Friday in U.S. District Court in Washington, that a stay would allow Hussein "to be informed of his rights and take whatever action he can and may wish to pursue."

Haddad had called Gilman's filing "rubbish," and said, "It will not delay carrying out the sentence," which he called "final."

Haddad wouldn't disclose the location of the execution and said it wouldn't be broadcast live on TV because of human rights issues.

Throughout the day, there were conflicting reports about who had custody of Hussein. Giovanni di Stefano, one of Hussein's defense attorneys, told CNN the U.S. military officially informed him that the former Iraqi dictator had been transferred to Iraqi but that the move in U.S. court could have meant that Hussein was back in U.S. custody.

There had been speculation that Hussein would be executed before Eid Al-Adha -- a holiday period that means Feast of the Sacrifice, celebrated by Muslims around the world at the climax of the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca. The law does not permit executions to be carried out during religious holidays.

Eid began Saturday for Sunnis and Sunday for Shiites and lasts for four days. Hussein is a Sunni Muslim.

Meeting with half-brothers

Another defense lawyer, Badie Aref, told CNN that Hussein met with two of his half-brothers in his cell on Thursday and passed on messages and instructions to his family.

"President Saddam was just bracing for the worst, so he wanted to see his brothers and pass on some messages and instructions to his family," Aref said. The half brothers who visited were Sabawi and Wathban Ibrahim Hassan al-Tikriti, he said.

Another of Hussein's half-brothers, Barzan al-Tikriti, has been sentenced to death and is being held in Iraq under the same charges as Hussein.

Aref said the U.S. soldiers guarding Hussein on Tuesday took away a radio he kept in his cell so he could not hear news reports about his death sentence, which was confirmed that day.

"They did not want him to hear the news from the appeals court upholding the sentence," he said. "They gave him back the radio on Wednesday."

Aref said Saddam found out about the appeals court verdict "a few hours after it was announced."

Crimes against humanity

Hussein was convicted on November 5 of crimes against humanity in connection with the killings of 148 people in the rown of Dujail after an attempt on his life.

The dictator was found guilty of murder, torture and forced deportation.

The Dujail episode falls within 12 of the worst cases out of 500 documented "baskets of crimes" during the Hussein regime.

The U.S. State Department says torture and extrajudicial killings followed the Dujail killings and that 550 men, women and children were arrested without warrants.

CNN's Aneesh Raman, Arwa Damon, Ryan Chilcote, Sam Dagher, Jomana Karadsheh and Ed Henry contributed to this report.

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Posted by: Lawless

Well, I guess that it's finally over. Though, I'm sure that we're going to see backlash from this, somehow. And, someone, somewhere, just as evil as him, or even worse, will rise to replace him. It always happens. He replaced Hitler. Even though there were differences... they were both rulers who commited heinous and evil things upon thousands of innocents.

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Posted by: lodgebo

What you said about as people as evil as him reminded me of something. When I was in the Gulf we herd daily stories about the things that Sadamm did to people and we heard about the amputations, organ removal, tongue removal, fingers sliced off arms and legs broken all of these acts were carried out by a man in a mask. Now there were other things just as bad but my friend had a theory that because Sadamm kept his allies very very close is it at all possible that the guy in the mask was always the same guy or maybe one of two guys that Sadamm employed to do his dirty work. If that is true then somebody not as bad but as evil as Sadamm is probably walking free to day.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

Absolutely so lodgebo but Saddam was the head of it all. Besides, I’m sure many of those within is regime, like the hooded guy had no choice but to follow his orders or else they would be the person on the opposite side of the hood.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Yes but do you rember Nurenburg "we were following orders" was not deemed a legitimate defence

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Posted by: mystic

Partial video was released if anyone is interested. Go to this page and look to the left. Its under related video:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061230...mi_ea/saddam_57

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Posted by: asantana

the excution - video Graphic

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Posted by: mystic

They have it on YouTube also.

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Posted by: Lawless

I don't know about anyone else, but it was like watching something on tv. It wasn't "real" if you know what I mean. I don't think that I would feel anything unless it was right in front of me, in real life. Seeing it like that was too disconnected in my mind. But, he's gone.

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Posted by: EUCLID

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Lawless said this in post #9 :
I don't know about anyone else, but it was like watching something on tv. It wasn't "real" if you know what I mean. I don't think that I would feel anything unless it was right in front of me, in real life. Seeing it like that was too disconnected in my mind. But, he's gone.


I know what you mean. I would imagine that if one were actually in that dimly lit, grimy, little room as a witness, it would have been a life-altering experience. I'll bet the emotions were running pretty high.

I am interested in the huge backlash that is just now starting to develop. This morning, NBC, CBS, and ABC all characterized it as a big black eye for Bush, comparing it to the Abu Grabe prison scandal. The called it a debacle.

Apparently, they are upset about the disrespect shown to Saddam by the guards who interrupted Saddam's prayer with chants for Sadr.

How would one respectfully execute a hated dictator?
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Posted by: HECK!

Who knows. No matter what happens you're gonna piss someone off over there. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned if you kind of do and damned if you sorta don't.

-HECK!

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well the offical in charge of the execution has blasted the guards who chanted during the execution and he claimed that he almost called the whole thing off because of the witnesses and guards behaviour.
In the UK deputy Prime Minister John Presscott ( looks like Jabba the Hut BTW) has condemmed the mobile video and said that the perosn who posted it on the internet was deplorable.

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

Saddam Hussein did not receive a fair trial and his actions as president will never come to light. The fact that he was executed before the end of his second trial speaks to the horrid justice system set up in Iraq with the full support of the US government. If this was Cuba, you'd see the US government talking about how barbaric Fidel Castro is. Imagine all the Iraqis that will be tried under this system now, are you seriously telling me such a system is fair? Within two months of being found guilty, I am now put to death?

They created such a system so they could kill Hussein quickly, thus all his crimes and cooperation with the US and European governments in the 1980's will go with him to the grave. Whatever happened to the trial about gassing the Kurds? Bah, this will now lead to more violence as it appears this was pushed by the Shiites in the Iraqi government.

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Posted by: asantana

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EUCLID said this in post #10 :

How would one respectfully execute a hated dictator?

I for long time stated my dislike to the dictator, I was looking forward to his removal and trial although he dose not deserve one. I am against his execution, because it will end his misery fast.
But when I watched the video, I was shocked and disgusted by the way he was treated, what they did to him was exactly what he did to thousands of Iraqis during his time. The way he was treated brought to my mind his time and I can see that those who executed him have his own mentality and this was a frightening moment for me as I can see that Iraq is filled with people with Saddam mentality and brutality.
It is clear that nothing was changed and Iraq is in no way will ever be a country that it will respect humanity.
I had been living outside Iraq for many years because of saddam and was hopping that one day I will return to my home land. Now I can say farewell Iraq nothing had changed and nothing will. I am so sad so sad
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Posted by: asantana

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Inner City Blues said this in post #13 :

he was executed before the end of his second trial speaks to the horrid justice system set up in Iraq with the full support of the US government.

According to Iraqi law, no one would be receiving the capital punishment if he is over 70 years old.
On 28th April 2007 Saddam would be 70 years old, and that’s why there was no time to waste (according to what the new rulers of Iraq think) they wanted him dead by any possible means. As I mentioned earlier I am totally against him, but that was not the way things should be, otherwise what difference was there??
That’s how Iraq was and how it is and how will be, a place of unjust for everyone. So sad
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Posted by: lodgebo

It has been reported that the perosn who videoed the execution on his mobile phone has been arrested.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

United States sending message to other puppet dictators who want to challenge America's hegemonic plan.

Isn't there a picture of Rumsfield shaking Sadaam's hand? Conservative media doesn't mention America was main supplier of weopons to Iraq. Why hasn't it taken America so long to hold Saadom accoutibl;e?

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Posted by: HECK!

The voiceover fella during a Saddam bio on TV mentioned that "western intelligence agencies" helped Saddam's crew in the Baath party come to power. I was like, um, you mean CIA don't you? Wasn't sure why they didn't want to come out and say it.

Malcom does have a point in that mainstream America may not be aware or care to remember how the Iraqi/U.S. relationship used to be. How we turned a cheek when Saddam gassed the Iranians and such.

-HECK!

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Posted by: lodgebo

There has been more condemnation fired at the Iraqi government from the UK. This time it was Gordon Brown who is the Chancellor and likely to be next Prime Minister he described the taunting and other activities before the election as deplorable. So far that make Brown, Presscott and most of the cabinet condemming Iraq and tonight Downing Street ( not Blair) gave it's support to Brown.
Iraqi offcials have diplomatically told the UK to shut up claiming it is an internal matter however it's not really it's out troops on the ground who have to control any uprising or retaliation over Sadamms execution ( in Iraq and at home to) so if we are liekly to be involved it's not an internal situation.
Also Libya today announced that they are planning to build a statue of Sadamm in Tripolli which resulted in Iraq cutting off relations with Libya though I can't imagine that having a huge effect on Libya.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #19 :
There has been more condemnation fired at the Iraqi government from the UK. This time it was Gordon Brown who is the Chancellor and likely to be next Prime Minister he described the taunting and other activities before the election as deplorable. So far that make Brown, Presscott and most of the cabinet condemming Iraq and tonight Downing Street ( not Blair) gave it's support to Brown.
Iraqi offcials have diplomatically told the UK to shut up claiming it is an internal matter however it's not really it's out troops on the ground who have to control any uprising or retaliation over Sadamms execution ( in Iraq and at home to) so if we are liekly to be involved it's not an internal situation.
Also Libya today announced that they are planning to build a statue of Sadamm in Tripolli which resulted in Iraq cutting off relations with Libya though I can't imagine that having a huge effect on Libya.


US installed Iraqi goverment. Can clerify statement?
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Posted by: lodgebo

Which statement is it that you want clairified?

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Posted by: h@ts

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lodgebo said this in post #19 :
There has been more condemnation fired at the Iraqi government from the UK.


No wonder we're distancing ourselves from the execution. Britain, unlike the US and Iraq, does not kill its own prisoners.

Also we are hardly friends with muqtada al sadr and it appears some in the crowd were chanting al sadr's name while Hussein was being hung. This gives the execution all the hallmarks of a sectarian revenge killing, and despite the fact that many Sunnis would have despised Hussein too, the message was clear - the Shiites finally have revenge for years of Sunni oppression.

Very telling is Blair's silence and Bush sleeping through the execution, clearly indicating just how much of an effect they think this is going to have on the violence in Iraq.
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Posted by: h@ts

A few interesting twists on the Hussein execution: Hussein's lawyer is threatening to sue the Iraqi authorities for abuse to his dead body, and she also says that Muqtada al-Sadr was at the execution. Muqtada al-Sadr claims that Saddam Hussein killed his father.

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Bushra al-Khalil told the Saudi daily al-Watan that she will sue the Iraqi authorities for allowing two of Saddam's personal foes to attend the execution and over reports that executioners had abused the dead body of the former leader.

She claimed that Shiite leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim and Muqtada al-Sadr were present at the execution.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...3349346,00.html
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Posted by: lodgebo

Tony Blair has come out today and said that he felt Saddams execution was unacceptable.

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Posted by: EUCLID

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lodgebo said this in post #24 :
Tony Blair has come out today and said that he felt Saddams execution was unacceptable.


So what does one do if one finds it unacceptable?
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Posted by: lodgebo

Well there is very little he can do aprt make his opinion and let people know waht he thought about the hanging and that's all he is doing as has pretty much every politician in the UK.

Personally I would like to hear what Bush and his Iraqi counterpart thought about the conditions surronding the hanging.

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Posted by: EUCLID

Considering everything that could have gone wrong, I find all the hand wringing about the tone of the execution to be much ado about nothing.

First of all, they ended Saddam's rule.

Second, they captured him.

Third, they had a trial that was long enough to be generally deemed fair, but not so long that he died of old age.

Fourth, he was executed.

High level executions of ruthless dictators are bound to tinged with vengeance. It is part of the theater.

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Posted by: h@ts

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EUCLID said this in post #27 :
Considering everything that could have gone wrong, I find all the hand wringing about the tone of the execution to be much ado about nothing.


Much ado about nothing except for the reason #6 for invading Iraq - democracy, which must entail some kind of respect for legal institutions. Plenty of people wanted Saddam dead, but two wrongs don't make a right or bring democracy, just more mayhem. The trial and manner of his lynching demonstrates the failure in Iraq, so it is much ado about something, and why everyone but Bush condemned the way it was handled. The upshot could mean we have replaced Sunni tyrant, Saddam Hussein with a future Shiite tyrant.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #21 :
Which statement is it that you want clairified?


Using US installed Iraqi government instead of Iraqi gov is more complete writing story.
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Posted by: HECK!

Don't you remember all the purple-fingered Iraqi's though? They elected the government

-HECK!

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Posted by: asantana

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HECK! said this in post #30 :
Don't you remember all the purple-fingered Iraqi's though? They elected the government

-HECK!

agreed, they elected, the Sunnies are less in number than the shiats and some even boycoted the elections (their problem)
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Posted by: EUCLID

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asantana said this in post #31 :

agreed, they elected, the Sunnies are less in number than the shiats and some even boycoted the elections (their problem)


Well when will they stop killing each other?
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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HECK! said this in post #30 :
Don't you remember all the purple-fingered Iraqi's though? They elected the government

-HECK!


That was US propaganda. American gov "elected" oficials to run Iraq and how does having an election in one city of a country be credible. This like only having elections in Texas for Bush elections
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Posted by: lodgebo

I counted three cities at least, I think you are thinking about Afghanistan elections.

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Posted by: asantana

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EUCLID said this in post #32 :


Well when will they stop killing each other?

when they learn how to talk
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #34 :
I counted three cities at least, I think you are thinking about Afghanistan elections.


Well its like having Bush's presidential elections only in Dallas, Houstan and San Antonio. Same difference
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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asantana said this in post #35 :

when they learn how to talk


when American soldiers leave. they will be fighting for awhile
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Posted by: lodgebo

Well not really, when you think about Afghanistan a huge amount of the people live in or around Kabul the rest of the country were smaller villages and for the most part I don't think the people in these areas really cared about the elections.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #38 :
Well not really, when you think about Afghanistan a huge amount of the people live in or around Kabul the rest of the country were smaller villages and for the most part I don't think the people in these areas really cared about the elections.


So every village has its own political system?
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Posted by: lodgebo

Not really they just kind of get on with life. Of course the bigger villages have a kind of political system manily based on the oldest or best educated making the descions and then there are the areas ruled by the warlords. Fact is that Afghanistans government rules only as far as Kabul the rest of the country is still pretty much acting the way it did before the war.

Back to Iraq the offcial turnout was 54% so thats around 9 million voters around 2% of sunnis refused to vote and the Kurds recieved around 2 million votes so thats around 26%. So if the Kurds recieved that many votes and the sunnis refused to vote then the election had to have been in more than 1 city probably more than 3.

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Posted by: asantana

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2% of sunnis refused to vote

what makes you come to such conclusion?? i mean the 2%
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Posted by: Disciple

I wonder if Iraq survives as a united country after the civil war they're waging now. Probably there will be three countries: Shia, Sunni and Kurdish. The Kurdish have installed border pickets as I was told.

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Posted by: lodgebo

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asantana said this in post #41 :

what makes you come to such conclusion?? i mean the 2%


WEll that is the figure the elction monitors on the ground came used. I also belive it is the accepted figure by all parties including Sunni leaders.
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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #43 :


WEll that is the figure the elction monitors on the ground came used. I also belive it is the accepted figure by all parties including Sunni leaders.


That doesn't make it true. And because this election was imposed by the Bush ad. that has an history of corrupting elections, I know results of Iraq election are false.
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Posted by: lodgebo

Well then you will be able to prove it right. So as they say put up or shut up.

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