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| Posted by: HECK! | | Richards shouts racial slurs at hecklers
AP Television Writer
LOS ANGELES - A barrage of racial epithets unleashed by former "Seinfeld" star Michael Richards during a stand-up comedy routine drew condemnation from Richards' industry colleagues.
Comedian Paul Rodriguez, who was at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood on Friday when Richards responded to two black hecklers with the "n" word and profanities, said he was shocked by Richards' remarks.
"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," Rodriguez told CNN. "Freedom of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations."
Jerry Seinfeld issued a statement saying he was "sick over this."
"I'm sure Michael is also sick over this horrible, horrible mistake. It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt," Seinfeld said of Richards, 57, who played eccentric Kramer on the hit 1989-98 sitcom and whose major credit since was the failed 2000 comedy series, "The Michael Richards Show."
Calls to Richards' representatives were not returned Monday.
His Laugh Factory tirade began after the two clubgoers shouted at him that he wasn't funny. A videotape of the incident was posted on TMZ.com.
Richards retorted: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."
He then paced across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.
"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now mother------. Throw his a-- out. He's a n-----!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again.
Moderating his tone at one point, Richards tells the audience: "It shocks you. It shocks you" and refers to "what lays buried."
While there is some chuckling in the audience throughout the outburst, someone can be heard gasping "Oh my God" and people respond with "ooh" after Richards uses the n-word.
Eventually someone calls out: "It's not funny. That's why you're a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies. `Seinfeld,' that's it."
On Monday, about a half-dozen community activists gathered at the club to denounce Richards' remarks and demand an apology.
"These kind of comments hurt all of us," said protester Lita Sister Herron of the Youth Advocacy Coalition. She called Richards' comments hate speech.
The protesters also demanded an apology from the Laugh Factory. At a news conference a short time later, club owner Jamie Masada expressed remorse and said Richards will not be back at the club until he says he's sorry.
"This is one thing we don't tolerate. ... I personally apologize. I apologize from my heart," Masada said Monday.
Richards did appear at the club Saturday, without incident, but that was because he had told the club he intended to apologize, according to a Laugh Factory statement Monday.
Rodriguez, also at the news conference, said: "I kept expecting a punch line. It didn't come."
Veteran publicist Michael Levine, whose clients have included famed comedians George Carlin, Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield, called Richards' remarks inexcusable. Comics often face hecklers without losing their cool, he said.
"It's never seen anything like this is my life," Levine said Monday. "I think it's a career ruiner for him. ... It's going to be a long road back for him, if at all."
Daryl Pitts, a Laugh Factory audience member interviewed by CNN, compared the incident to another recent celebrity controversy.
"You think about Mel Gibson and what he said, and put that in the context of this, it's very upsetting," Pitts said, referring to Gibson's anti-Semitic outburst during his arrest for drunken driving.
Scrutiny of Richards' remarks likely will continue but won't match the level prompted by Gibson's behavior because Richards is far less famous, Levine said.
Comedian George Lopez told Los Angeles television station KTLA that he thought Richards' lack of stand-up experience may have been a factor.
"The question is you have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn't know what to do when an audience is disruptive," Lopez said. "He's an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn't ever be on a stand-up gig."
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| Posted by: HECK! | | This doesn't surprise me that much. I remember he flipped out on Andy Kaufman during a taping of 'Friday Night' way back when.
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | Paul Rodrigues is one of the funniest comics I've ever heard. I'm not shocked by Michael Richards, although he'll need to apologize to those who were offended.
I think he'll bounce back as well. Hell, you can kill a few people, abuse your spouse, shout racial profanities and still bounce back in Hollywood. Doesn't say much for society though..... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | My own personal litmus test: If someone makes some dumbass statement in the press, like Elton John trashing on Christians, or some racist dude like David Duke explaining how he wants racial purity,
well, people like that suck bad enough, I won't give them time of day.
The rest, like Mel Gibson and various others, who get mad or drunk and let something fly that aint right, well they suck too, but I figure they got some issues, and if they say they are sorry and are fighting it, then it's cool. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lickety_split | |
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Whidden said this in post #6 :
My own personal litmus test: If someone makes some dumbass statement in the press, like Elton John trashing on Christians, or some racist dude like David Duke explaining how he wants racial purity,
well, people like that suck bad enough, I won't give them time of day.
The rest, like Mel Gibson and various others, who get mad or drunk and let something fly that aint right, well they suck too, but I figure they got some issues, and if they say they are sorry and are fighting it, then it's cool. |
I feel the same way too Whidden, but some people thrive on this stuff. I mean society is too forgiving in some ways. There really is no excuse for some of the behaviour these celebs demonstrate - but they still have their forgiving fans.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Any press is good press. Hell, was anyone talking about Richards yesterday? Now, a ton of people will. Like Zsa Zsa Gabor slapping that cop. I seriously think fading celebrities plan these publicity stunts.
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| Posted by: Whidden | | It's hard when you like somebody to jump on them.
Hillary Clinton would have done the same thing, I would automaticly comdemn her. I like Richards, guy makes me laugh, so I automaticly go the forgiveness route.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | What a ..... a, uh.... ummm...
Are there any offensive names for the Jewish? I don't know any...
Tsk, there goes a perfectly good joke 
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| Posted by: Whidden | | I got called Jew Boy in school. Stupid kids, I went to church on Saturday, they found out, then called me Jew Boy.
I liked it though, thought it was cool.... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | You went to church to worship Jesus Christ and the kids at school called Jew boy?
..............was this, like, a, uh.... "special" school you went to, Whidden? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | There are anti-semetic names, wouldn't say them here, but there are names for everything.
Kids always find names to call other kids. Always doesn't make sense.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I just saw the video of him going off. At first it looked like he was trying to be funny, and it kind of was (I didn't laugh, but people in the audience were laughing), but he totally went too far with what he was doing. I mean, there are ways to handle hecklers, and that wasn't one of them.
People in the audience did start calling him cracker and white-ass, so I'm not sure why exactly the ones who returned the racial slurs really think they're any better. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | It's always the guy who starts it. Plus, whitey can't really use that word anymore. Even if cracker is thrown out. It's one of those things.
I guess Richards was on Letterman last night apologizing. At least he manned up. Hell, we all make mistakes. I say move on.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | This is the most interesting story to come along in a long time. So much to say (although, if I may suggest, it seems like this thread could be better classified under a different heading). The implications of this incident are broad.
What I don’t get is that Richards says he is not a racist, and most people find that pretty easy to accept. Everybody loves the guy. Yet look what he said. If he can say that and not be racist, how can anybody be a racist?
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| Posted by: Nymphadora | | I'm probablygonna get flamed for this but her goes anyway.
was what he said wrong, yes.
should he have handled it differently, of course.
but there is a serious double standard here. Watch any black comedian out there and at some point in their show they are going to slam white people and everyone thinks it's funny and acceptiable. Noone gets all crazy about it, but if a white comedian does it its a big issue. Either way isn't unacceptable. But seriously think about it. If someone, say your significant other or a friend pisses you off, your most likely going to say the meanest thing you can think of just to hurt their feelings. You may not mean it, it might be completly out of line, but people do it. It happens, he'll bounce back but it will be awhile. He's never gonna be as big as he was on Seinfield.
Yeah, it's just one of those things that you can't do, but if goes for one group it should go for all. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | |
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EUCLID said this in post #20 :
What do you mean? |
I like Kramer
but now I don't like the guy that played him
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I don't have any love for this guy. I guess Kramer was cool, but he was probably my least favorite from Seinfeld (I know that's a first). But his apology was pretty good; very honest. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Nymphadora | | I haven't seen the apology. I saw like a two second clip on tv and thats about it. I don't really care about this guy one way or another.
I heard the guys he was arguing with are thinking about suing him. thats just ridiculous. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I think it's silly to sue too.
I heard they were being represented by Gloria Allred, though, so I'm not at all surprised. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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I heard the guys he was arguing with are thinking about suing him. thats just ridiculous. |
The two men who were the subject of Richard’s rage were on NBC yesterday morning with their attorney, Gloria Allred. Ms. Allred, apparently picking up on Richard’s boasting of being rich, is asking Richards to appear before a retired judge and accept a ruling for a monetary award to Richards’ victims. One of the victims said that he believes that there should be laws against racial slurs.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Michael Richards “Kramer” Go On Racial Tirade
At the Laugh Factory in LA, Michael Richards, more famously known as “Kramer” from the TV show “Seinfeld” went on a racial tirade when a group of black patrons were talking as they took their seats during his performance. Apparently Richards’s reaction was totally unprovoked as he continually used the highly racially offensive epithet “N-word” numerous times in describing the black patrons who were returning words with the comedian while onstage. The epithets, caught on a video cell phone by another patron, were followed by an equally offensive comment that “50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass."
Apparently this isn’t the first time the comedian used racially charged epithets in his standup routine at the Laugh Factory. According to two patrons at the Laugh Factory earlier this year, Richards went on another tirade when a man interrupted him in the audience.
“Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."
See story here
In a satellite interview on the David Letterman Show, Richards made no excuses but apologized for his actions add that he’s not a racist. He also sought out some civil rights leaders to extend his apology and the olive branch in an effort to rehabilitate his image and to make amends for his offensive conduct. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Unbelievable that in this day and age we have someone who’s spout stuff like this. He’s his own worse enemy and deserves any fallout as a result of this.
If he’s not a racist as he says, he surely does a great impersonation of one. Maybe he should start doing impressions, because if he does impressions as good as he does one of an a$$hole, he’d become bigger than Rich Little.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Nymphadora | | It is a big waste of time and money to sue for something like this. If people are to going to be able to start suing people for name calling, every kid that got picked on in grade school is going to start suing.
THe men engaged in an agruement and he said something that was over the line. Theres not a valid basis for a law suit. You can't sue because someone hurt your feelings. But if the "Victims" believe it should be against the law to use racial slurs, what happens to the people in the audience that called this guy a cracker?
Sounds like they are just trying to get some money out of this. Becuase hes rich they want he to go before a retired judge. What they can't take it to a real court? Of cousre not, theyd lose., Why? It's just plain silly. You cant sue someone just because they have money. What do you think they would do if he was poor? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I was so surprised when it came out that Gloria Allred isn't gay. It was one of the biggest shocks of my life, as a matter of fact, along with the fact that Margaret Thatcher is really a woman. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | That's right, if you want people to stop bashing a person in threads, call Gaboman to the rescue; he stops threads dead in their tracks. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lickety_split | |
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gaboman said this in post #28 :
I was so surprised when it came out that Gloria Allred isn't gay. It was one of the biggest shocks of my life, as a matter of fact, along with the fact that Margaret Thatcher is really a woman. |
What are you talking about?
Please explain.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | Hmm... if you don't know who Gloria Allred is, then it's hard to explain. If you do know and you don't know what I mean, then it's probably even harder to explain.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | In a similar situation, a couple months ago, Mel Gibson claimed that his anti-Jewish remarks were due to his delusional state while being drunk. But the news media quickly summoned experts who assured us that drunkenness cannot induce somebody to say things that they don’t already believe in their hearts.
So, Mel Gibson was not about to be let off the hook with the excuse of drunkenness. And yet, Richards seems to have been completely exonerated by the media culture inside of 24 hours. He apologized, but also claimed that the outburst came out of him independent of his will to stop it. So his apology is kind of like apologizing for a tornado. He even blamed his behavior on the same mysterious force that caused Bush to start the Iraq war, and in the process, he apologized for Bush, if you caught it.
Aside from the racism, there is also the issue of the way the rage manifested as a threat. There are laws against making threats. I would think that his reference to hanging people upside down with a fork up their rear might cross the line. Apparently he also proclaimed that he is rich, and has so much money that he could have his enemies arrested if he wished. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | In similar incident a couple months ago, Mel Gibson claimed that his anti-Jewish remarks were due to his delusional state while being drunk. But the news media quickly summoned experts who assured us that drunkenness cannot induce somebody to say things that they don’t already believe in their hearts.
So, Mel Gibson was not about to be let off the hook with the excuse of drunkenness. And yet, Richards seems to have been completely exonerated by the media culture inside of 24 hours. He apologized, but also claimed that the outburst came out of him independent of his will to stop it. So his apology is kind of like apologizing for a tornado. He even blamed his behavior on the same mysterious force that caused Bush to start the Iraq war, and in the process, he apologized for Bush, if you caught it.
Aside from the racism, there is also the issue of the way the rage manifested as a threat. There are laws against making threats. I would think that his reference to hanging people upside down with a fork up their rear might cross the line. Apparently he also proclaimed that he is rich, and has so much money that he could have his enemies arrested if he wished. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | I can’t excuse Mel Gibson’s behavior because he was wrong. I’m no too sure about the people can’t say what’s not really in their heart when their drunk because I’ve seen some drunk people make total butts out of themselves. However some people do say things in their hearts when they are inebriated.
I believe Richards tirade was worse than Gibson’s because not only was he stone cold sober, he did this in front of dozens of people in a public forum. God knows what he says and do in private.
I don’t know of any other incidents as to Gibson’s rantings but apparently Richards did this before in public forum. However, the Gibson incident seems to have gotten much more play in the public and much for outrage than the Richards incident and no one out side of the police heard his actual words.
Even in this forum, the Gibson incident got more play than this thread. I decided to make it because it seemed to have simply passed by the radar. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | I wish the two threads were merged to this location. The importance of this topic seems a lot more like breaking news rather than just commentary on Sienfeld. I believe the Mel Gibson thread was located here. It would be very interesting to place the two threads side-by-side to see if the reactions to the two nearly indentical incidences are the same or not.
I am much more interested in the media reaction rather than what Richards actually did. Sienfeld was on Letterman with Richards apologizing by satellite. I would say that Sienfeld and Letterman both completely forgave Richards on the basis that he claimed to have no control over what he said, and on his claim that he was not a racist.
If the majority of the American people take that position of excusing Richards, then I would say that Richards should be given an award for ending racisim forever. Imagine that. A world without racism. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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In a satellite interview on the David Letterman Show, Richards made no excuses... [/B] |
He said that his words just popped out of him, and he had no ability to prevent it. That sounds like an excuse to me.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | I stand corrected Dekka, thanks. Euclid however is right. When the Gibson incident happened, it was in this thread here. The scuttlebutt lounge takes a little more digging to get to and I believe it should have been here as well.
I’ve seen no calls for Richards head in the media or an end to his career, boycotts or any of the likes as we saw with Gibson. Personally, I think the guy (Richards) has some mental issues but if he went on an anti-jewish tirade like he did with those patrons at the Laugh Factory, his career would be officially over.
I’m interested to see how this plays out. Clearly this wasn't a case of words just popping out. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Here we go...
Men seek apology from ex-'Seinfeld' star
By ROBERT JABLON, Associated Press Writer
LOS ANGELES - Two men who say they were insulted by actor-comedian Michael Richards during his racist rant at a comedy club want a personal apology and maybe some money, their lawyer said Friday.
The men, Frank McBride and Kyle Doss, said they were part of a group of about 20 people who had gathered at West Hollywood's Laugh Factory to celebrate a friend's birthday. According to their attorney, Gloria Allred, they were ordering drinks when Richards berated them for interrupting his act.
When one of their group replied that he wasn't funny, Richards launched into a string of obscenities and repeatedly used the n-word. A video cell phone captured the outburst.
Richards, who played Jerry Seinfeld's wacky neighbor Kramer on the TV sitcom "Seinfeld," made a nationally televised apology on David Letterman's "Late Night" show earlier this week. He has since apologized to civil rights leaders the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton.
But Allred complained Friday that he "has not apologized to his victims directly, face to face, man to man."
Richards' publicist said his client wants to apologize to both men, who are black, but hasn't been able to locate them.
Allred, speaking by phone from Colorado, said Richards should meet McBride and Doss in front of a retired judge to "acknowledge his behavior and to apologize to them" and allow the judge to decide on monetary compensation.
"It's not enough to say 'I'm sorry,'" she said.
She did not mention a specific figure, but pitched the idea as a way for the comic to avoid a lawsuit.
"Our clients were vulnerable," Allred said. "He went after them. He singled them out and he taunted them, and he did it in a closed room where they were captive."
The video of Richards' outburst shows several people getting up and walking out as he shouts at the audience.
Richards' publicist said the comic wasn't considering any demand for payment. "He's not dealing with that," Howard Rubenstein said. "He wants to apologize to them directly and then see what happens."
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | I think he should make reparations for every single African-American in the USA.
So like $1.50 per person. I'll take my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother's share. With interest, that should be about $250, 000 coming my way.
That's a good punishment for Michael Richards. He'll think twice before shooting off his mouth or get HECK'ler training For Dummies. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Nsanebrane | | Not suprised by "Kramer's" Mel Gibsonish meltdown. A has-been like him should've retired in Florida and lived off his residual check instead of chasing his former limelight. I never could see what was funny about the guy, Jason Alexander is the funny one.
George Lopez said it right, about "Kramer's" lack of experience in stand-up comedy, not knowing how to deal with hecklers is his problem.
I don't think he should be sued, though, because that might cause ALL stand-up comedians to become TOO careful, and ruin stand-up comedy for good. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | THE PROBLEM WITH APOLOGIES
There is power in being offended as demonstrated by the demand for monetary compensation from Richards. Demanding an apology works to fortify and highlight the damage that can be claimed for being offended. But the apology is a double-edged sword, because it basically closes the matter. It lets the perpetrator off the hook. Once you demand an apology and get it, what more do you want? As the offended one, it lets the air out of your balloon. It is a particularly thorny problem for Jesse Jackson, a man who makes a career of fighting racism. If he accepts Richards’ explanation that the outburst was beyond his free will to stop it, then it ends racism everywhere for all time, and Jackson is out of business. Whether his outburst was intentional or not is the pivotal issue with Richards. How can anybody be held accountable for something they cannot control?
So when you start shaking people down for what they believe, you have to be pretty particular about their apology. You have to walk a fine line or your fish might get away. That is why Ms. Allred accepts Richards’ Letterman apology, but only as partial payment. She is also calling for a face-to-face apology from Richards directly to the two men he was yelling at. And then she is asking for voluntary compensation. However, it would not exactly be voluntary because she is threatening to sue if the voluntary compensation is not forthcoming.
There are a lot of people cashing in on the moral high ground that is provided by an apology by apologizing for things they did not do. Apologizing to the world’s poor for the seeming indifference of the world’s rich, comes to mind as an example. Apologizing for not working hard enough to find a cure for AIDS would be another example. With an apology for a wrong that you have actually committed, there is the good feedback that comes from the humility and graciousness of the apology, but that bliss is tinged with the sting of the injury that you caused that required the apology in the first place.
But when you apologize for something that somebody else did, then it is a win-win for you. This tactic is especially attractive if the one you are apologizing for is your political enemy. You get the benefit of the apology and your enemy gets blamed for doing what you have highlighted in apologizing for it. It’s a beautiful day. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Nymphadora | | I'll say again that I think what Richards did was WRONG! But he shouldn't be sued for it.
I don't think this incidence is getting as much attention as the gibson tirade simply because Richards isn't as big a star as gibson is. I don't think it has anything to do with the people it offended, it's just a matter of someone that is really popular as opposed to someone who used to be sort of popular a while back. You could expect that one would get more coverage than the other. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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I don't think this incidence is getting as much attention as the gibson tirade simply because Richards isn't as big a star as gibson is. |
I agree that the relative popularity of the perpetrator could have a bearing on the amount of news coverage they receive for something like this. However, I am not convinced that that explains the difference between the coverage of Gibson versus Richards. Actually, the amount of coverage has been similar so far. We will have to see if it continues for another few weeks to see if it matches the total amount that Gibson received. As far as difference in popularity, I’m not so sure there is much difference. One might argue that Richards “Kramer” is more popular than Gibson. But even with the first week of coverage of Richards, I can see that it has been far less hostile to him than Gibson’s first week of coverage was to him.
The comparison to Mel Gibson’s behavior is obvious, but what about Senator Trent Lott? Although he was a senator, one might argue that he was less commonly known than either Gibson or Richards. He was at the retirement party for Strom Thurmond, a man who was once considered a racist, but apparently been since reformed. In the innocent mood of a party toast, Mr. Lott quipped something to the effect of, “If we had just listened more to Strom Thurmond, the country would have been better off.” The news media just crucified Trent Lott for that comment. I believe they drove him out of office. They destroyed him. And yet there is no one alive who can honestly say that they believe Lott’s remark had anything to do with advocating racism.
And then there is Senator Robert Byrd who was once a grand wizard in the Ku Klux Klan, a fairly reliable certification of being a racist. As recently as a few years ago, Senator Byrd repeatedly used the term, “White n-word” (he actually said the word). Nobody even blinked at Senator Byrd’s remarks. So you have two senators, Lott and Byrd, both probably equally well known. One is given a total pass for his past leadership in the KKK and using the n-word in a racially disparaging context. The other is destroyed for making an innocent, but somewhat ill chosen comment while standing behind an old man in a chair at his retirement party.
No, there is something peculiarly uneven about the application of outrage in these incidents. It seems to depend on who the perpetrator is.
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HECK! said this in post #46 :
Merged threads and placed in Breaking News.
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Was this done for Mel Gibson's comment? Closing another thread because you have one with same subject is abuse of power. Unless this is done with every subject.
Micheal Richardson stated the way he feels toward the 'Afro- Americans" . Why aren't We allowed to respond to his opinions , similar to jews when critical comments are made. Only WE will determine an appropriate apology for KKKramer . Seinfield has some questions to be answered too.
Is Richardson jewish? I think conservative media mention it? Can that be clarified.
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malcolm xx said this in post #53 :
Was this done for Mel Gibson's comment? Closing another thread because you have one with same subject is abuse of power. Unless this is done with every subject.
Micheal Richardson stated the way he feels toward the 'Afro- Americans" . Why aren't We allowed to respond to his opinions , similar to jews when critical comments are made. Only WE will determine an appropriate apology for KKKramer . Seinfield has some questions to be answered too.
Is Richardson jewish? I think conservative media mention it? Can that be clarified. |
You sure raise some questions.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | "KKKramer," I like it malcolm. Funny stuff.
Yes, Richardson is Jewish. The entire (main) cast of Seinfeld are.
African Americans can question him as much as they want, I guess. I'm not exactly sure you are the one to determine the appropriate apology for him, however, as you are in no way connected to this case. You may as well get me to determine what he should say.
And Seinfeld has no questions to be answered, this has nothing to do with him. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lickety_split | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #53 :
Was this done for Mel Gibson's comment? Closing another thread because you have one with same subject is abuse of power. Unless this is done with every subject.
Micheal Richardson stated the way he feels toward the 'Afro- Americans" . Why aren't We allowed to respond to his opinions , similar to jews when critical comments are made. Only WE will determine an appropriate apology for KKKramer . Seinfield has some questions to be answered too.
Is Richardson jewish? I think conservative media mention it? Can that be clarified. |
malcolm, do you intentionally use the wrong names of celebrities when you post to avoid libel suits? I am impressed. What can Richael Michard(son) do to make you forgive him as a person? ~ sickety lplit
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I heard lickesy splitsberg eats live kittens. (What? I'm not talking about you!)
Hehehe I didn't even notice that, and I copied the Richardson thing  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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HECK! said this in post #47 :
LOS ANGELES - Two men who say they were insulted by actor-comedian Michael Richards during his racist rant at a comedy club want a personal apology and maybe some money, their lawyer said Friday. |
And maybe the two men wanted a pork pie too.
Surely a personal apology is just that - a personal matter to be settled between the comic and the two men who feel they've been insulted.
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malcolm xx said this in post #53 :
Was this done for Mel Gibson's comment? Closing another thread because you have one with same subject is abuse of power. Unless this is done with every subject.
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I am drunk with power. Do not arouse the wrath of the great and powerful Oz 
Settle down Malcom, there is no abuse of anything. You posted a duplicate thread which was merged with an existing one. Forum policy. Thanks. Case closed. Happy posting.
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | I found a picture of Richael Michards trying to bribe a monkey. Michards had said some insults against simians and was in some hot water with that group in the past. He was was caught saying..."monkey see, monkey doo doo..." "Get that damn stinkin' ape outta here!.." Apparently, monkeys don't find him funny either. 
Unbelievable! click here
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gaboman said this in post #57 :
I heard lickesy splitsberg eats live kittens. (What? I'm not talking about you!)
Hehehe I didn't even notice that, and I copied the Richardson thing |

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lickety_split said this in post #56 :
malcolm, do you intentionally use the wrong names of celebrities when you post to avoid libel suits? I am impressed. What can Richael Michard(son) do to make you forgive him as a person? ~ sickety lplit |
1 make apology on Tavis Smiley's show or( and) Opra where Blacks can decide if he is sincere. Jesse Jackson has become more of a politician and doesn't speak for majority of Black people
2 give reparations from wharever royalties he gets from Seinfield DVD's to Black community set up in some kind of fund
3 owes reparations to the Black men he express his racists opinions
4 use whatever leverage he has to help Black actors in Hollywood
5 He should watch Spike Lee's doc on Katrina
6 Read a book on slavery that has pictures of lynching and see what a peson hanging from a tree looks
Its sad how conservative media has covered this incident compared with Gibson's statement. This guy said the most racist things only KKK members would say out in public and it seems to be helping his career. Actors are defending him and he is more popular than ever. A Black ADL is needed?
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I don't get it, if Jesse Jackson was doing something you believed in, you would then think he's speaking for the black race then? Seems that since he's "supporting" Michael Richards (though he's more giving the fellow a chance to explain)... that's a no no, in your book?
Michael Richards should apologize, and he has; perhaps he give some money to charities to show his sincerity... but he certainly shouldn't just do what he's told to. Also, giving 100% of his royalties to a charity certainly isn't fair on him, regardless of him being an idiot.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | People sometimes are offensive, and people sometimes choose to be offended. The only remedy is to choose not to be offended, because all the money in the world cannot undo an offense if the offended persons choose to be offended.
In fact, if you offend someone, and then give them a million dollars to make it right, the offended one will remain offended forever in order to prove that they were right and deserved the money.
Right now, Gloria Allred is only asking for money, but if it is not offered, she intends to sue. It will be very interesting to see what a jury does to Richards in this case. | | Reply To this Message
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EUCLID said this in post #64 :
Right now, Gloria Allred is only asking for money, but if it is not offered, she intends to sue. It will be very interesting to see what a jury does to Richards in this case. [/B] |
On what grounds is Gloria Allred asking for money? Hurt feelings? Is anyone suffering? This is just sad victim mentality. The people in the club were offended, so walked out. How about an apology and their ticket money back as compensation, and maybe a free ticket to see anther show?
The thing about asking for money in this situation is it just cheapens a serious racial issue and turns this whole thing into a tawdry opportunity to make cash. That I find ugly and offensive.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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h@ts said this in post #65 :
On what grounds is Gloria Allred asking for money? Hurt feelings? Is anyone suffering? This is just sad victim mentality. The people in the club were offended, so walked out. How about an apology and their ticket money back as compensation, and maybe a free ticket to see anther show?
The thing about asking for money in this situation is it just cheapens a serious racial issue and turns this whole thing into a tawdry opportunity to make cash. That I find ugly and offensive. |
Absolutely!
There is victim mentality woven through this. Richards is playing the classic victim by claiming that bad words came from somewhere other than him, even though the words came out of his mouth. In that sense, he is claiming that he is a victim of racism.
I am not sure what the grounds for a suit would be, however, I would not be surprised if we soon learn that the recipients of the hurtful words are suffering mentally and physically from the incident.
Jesse Jackson has charged that the whole Seifeld series was racist because there were no blacks in it.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Yeah, well Jesse Jackson should watch the Bernie Mac show sometimes, there are no whities on there.
There is no basis for a lawsuit, give me a break. He called these people a name. Unforunately it was a racial hand grenade, but it was just a name. Not to mention these hecklers started it. Calling him washed up, a failure, the only thing he ever did was Seinfeld, blah blah. Now I'm not saying they deserved to be called that, by no means, but if they would have shut their damn pie holes and watched the show like normal people then this wouldn't have happened. Not to mention they had no problem throwin' out the Cracker expletive. It's not the same but it's obvious they can go the race route too.
The club owner gave their money back, they should be happy they got that.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Heck, I guess it’s just my season to disagree with you. I noticed the trend lately. 
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Not to mention these hecklers started it. Calling him washed up, a failure, the only thing he ever did was Seinfeld, blah blah. Now
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Maybe you should go back and take a look at what happened because that’s not what I saw.
The gentlemen were talking while they were milling in and taking their seats at the table. At least that’s what their story was and so far, Richards hasn’t disputed that.
However, if you notice on the tape, the young black men made those statements after Richards called them the n-word several times. Even the witnesses said, the attack by Richards was totally unprovoked.
Now is there basis for a lawsuit? That’s a pretty slim chance but it was harassment to an extreme degree. They might get some low level figure but the publicity alone will hurt Richard's career.
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | I read somewhere that Richards went on in the same club and made some derogatory comments about Jews a few months prior to the N-word outburst. What is shocking to me is that Richards is not really Jewish either.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | LOS ANGELES Nov 28, 2006 (AP)— Just when it seemed Michael Richards was about to leave the most troubling incident of his career behind, his publicist is having to explain how the comic could consider himself to be Jewish.
Last week, crisis-management expert Howard Rubenstein acknowledged that Richards had shouted anti-Semitic remarks in an April standup comedy routine well before his appearance earlier this month in which he harangued hecklers with the n-word. But he defended Richards' language about Jews, saying that the comic "is Jewish. He's not anti-Semitic at all. He was role-playing."
As Rubenstein's assertion circulated, Jewish organizations and commentators pointed out that the man who played Cosmo Kramer on "Seinfeld" has not converted to Judaism and neither of his parents are Jewish.
Which makes him …
"Technically, not having been born by blood as Jewish and not formally going into a conversion, it was purely his interpretation of having adopted Judaism as his religion," Rubenstein told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "He told me, `I'm Jewish,' when I asked him.
"He said there were two mentors who raised him and who had a big influence on his life, and they were Jewish. He said, `I agree with the concepts and the religious beliefs of Judaism and I've adopted Judaism as my religion,'" Rubenstein said. "He really thinks of himself as Jewish."
What do some Jews think?
"You can't feel Jewish. It's not a matter of feeling. You can convert to Judaism. You can't not convert to Judaism and then be Jewish," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.
Hier defined being Jewish from two perspectives, if someone hasn't gone through the process of formal conversion.
"From the Orthodox point of view, if that person has a Jewish mother, he would be considered Jewish," Hier said. "In the Reform tradition, there's also a patrilineage. Under those categories, he would not fit."
Rabbi Mark S. Diamond of the 280-member Board of Rabbis of Southern California agreed.
"There are many people who appreciate Jewish customs, who may embrace aspects of Jewish culture and practice, but that does not make them Jewish," he said.
After his tirade came to light, Richards apologized on David Letterman's "Late Show" on CBS, saying his remarks were sparked by anger at being heckled, not bigotry. He also apologized to the Rev. Al Sharpton, and apologized Sunday on the Rev. Jesse Jackson's syndicated radio program.
Rubenstein said Richards wasn't available for an interview Tuesday.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Yes, there are people who have made that accusation. Given what I've seen with my own two eyes, I'd say it's highly probable.
Sad thing is that this is the 21st century but in reality, it wasn't that long ago that minorities were given the right to simply vote. | | Reply To this Message
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oneofpeace said this in post #68 :
Heck, I guess it’s just my season to disagree with you. I noticed the trend lately. 
Maybe you should go back and take a look at what happened because that’s not what I saw.
The gentlemen were talking while they were milling in and taking their seats at the table. At least that’s what their story was and so far, Richards hasn’t disputed that.
However, if you notice on the tape, the young black men made those statements after Richards called them the n-word several times. Even the witnesses said, the attack by Richards was totally unprovoked.
Now is there basis for a lawsuit? That’s a pretty slim chance but it was harassment to an extreme degree. They might get some low level figure but the publicity alone will hurt Richard's career.
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Man, oneofpeace, and we saw eye to eye on so much in the Post 9/11 forum... 
I'm just going by the AP story. I watched the video too and it's not of the best quality.
AP story in the first post here:
"His Laugh Factory tirade began after the two clubgoers shouted at him that he wasn't funny.
Richards retorted: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."
He then paced across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.
"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now mother------. Throw his a-- out. He's a n-----!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again."
Like I said, there really isn't anything these hecklers could have said to Richards that deserves the N word back at 'em.
Maybe they specifically said he only had Seinfeld and that's it once the N's were flying, but the fact remains he was responding to them. It's not like they were chatting quietly then Richards exploded. They were insulting Richards, heckling him.
You can sue anyone for anything, but if these dudes are given dime one I'd spit on the next courthouse I see. This kindegarten name calling crybaby stuff needs to go.
No problems with Jessie Jackson. But if he was really smart he would have paid off his illegitimate baby momma to keep quiet 
To sum up with Richards, ever since I read that he blew up at Andy Kaufman back in the day I've always wondered what dude was like in real life. Looks like there is some attitude there.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Heck I had to go back and take a look at this because it sounds like AP didn’t get the story completely correct.
{url=http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1772645]Tirade Here[/url]
The video was taken by another patron at the club. The reason they started filming was because of the things Richards said before the film started. If you noticed as well, the person filming put the camera right on Richards, not the men in the audience. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #68 :
The gentlemen were talking while they were milling in and taking their seats at the table. At least that’s what their story was and so far, Richards hasn’t disputed that.
However, if you notice on the tape, the young black men made those statements after Richards called them the n-word several times. Even the witnesses said, the attack by Richards was totally unprovoked.
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Yes I heard this account too, and it does conflict with the original story that has the two patrons starting the conflict by heckling Richards.
The two patrons said they came in with a large group, which naturally created a disruption with everybody being seated and ordering drinks. The disruption apparently threw Richards off his game, and he pointed out the intrusion of them in some sort of racial terms, such as announcing that the black or hispanic section was filling up. It was not quite clearly reported what he said, but one of the two black patrons rebutted that he was not funny. And that is where the fork tirade began.
So there is clearly a dispute as to who started it.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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lickety_split said this in post #70 :
LOS ANGELES Nov 28, 2006 (AP)— Just when it seemed Michael Richards was about to leave the most troubling incident of his career behind, his publicist is having to explain how the comic could consider himself to be Jewish.
Last week, crisis-management expert Howard Rubenstein acknowledged that Richards had shouted anti-Semitic remarks in an April standup comedy routine well before his appearance earlier this month in which he harangued hecklers with the n-word. But he defended Richards' language about Jews, saying that the comic "is Jewish. He's not anti-Semitic at all. He was role-playing."
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That is very interesting information LS. It makes you wonder where his role playing begins and ends. I have always heard that the Seifeld cast has some issues in the wake of the show production. Whatever the damage to Richards' career, it is tiny compared to the damage to the Seinfeld "brand."
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Heard on the radio that the new season 7 of Seinfeld DVD is outselling any previous DVD season released by a mile.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Euclid, that's why Jerry popped up on Letterman because he saw this incident as potential to hurt his future assets wih Seinfeld syndications. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | Jesse Jackson is calling for a boycott of the DVD. Others are calling for a ban on the n-word. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Just what Seinfeld feared. I can't blame him because Richards is messing it up for the rest of the cast. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lickety_split | | Comedians such as Paul Mooney have renounced the n-word and are encouraging other African-American comedians to refrain from using it as well. I think Mooney said he'll use "Black" instead of the N-word, and "Heifers" instead of B-tch. Richard Pryor denounced the N-word in the late 80's as well.
If I find that article, I'll post it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | I still think Seinfeld is one of the only shows worth watching.
Kramer is still my favorite character.
Mike Richards, the actor, can kiss my black ass. | | Reply To this Message
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oneofpeace said this in post #80 :
Just what Seinfeld feared. |
What do you mean?
I think the tirade put big fear into Seinfeld. This seemed evident during his appearance on Letterman as a kind of coordinator of the Richards apology. Do you suspect that the Richards outburst at the hecklers was intended to create a problem for Seinfeld as revenge for some perceived past injustice? Just currious.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | I was making the point that Richard’s tirade had far reaching implications that didn’t stop with only him. One of the potential fallouts is the calling for a boycott of Seinfeld products like the DVD just mentioned earlier.
Jerry Seinfeld was trying to head this off at the pass because he saw this as a potential to interfere with his revenue. This is what I mean by saying. “Just as Seinfeld feared”. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | 'Seinfeld' season seven DVD sales are doing fine
November 29, 2006
Detroit Free Press
Michael Richards may have imploded his career, but he hasn't hurt the performance of the "Seinfeld" season seven DVD so far, says TMZ.com.
The celebrity news and gossip Web site is reporting that sales of the latest "Seinfeld" DVD are doing fine, even though it was released in the midst of widespread media coverage of Richards' racist tirade at a comedy club.
TMZ.com says that according to the Web site DVD Empire, the sitcom's season seven sales are up 75 percent over season six and 90 percent over season five.
DVD Empire ranks the "Seinfeld" season seven DVD as No. 8 on its current bestseller list.
The "Seinfeld" DVD came out last week, a day after TMZ.com posted a cellphone video of Richards spewing racist slurs onstage.
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Could this have actually helped DVD sales?
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Who knows how these things will play out in the public. I'm sure Seinfeld was nervous because of the potential to harm sales.
But as it turns out, it may have helped them. It could be a case of people wanting to see the imbecile who did this perform on Seinfeld. After all, I’ve heard his character derangement on the show was synonymous to that of his real life.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Cosmo Kramer was a great man! 
It's like they say: there is no bad press.
Remember when that English turd Hugh Grant got popped getting with a hooker way back? He goes on Jay Leno to talk about it. Not only was that the first time The Tonight Show beat Letterman, it hasn't given up that title since, Grant goes on to make a bunch of movies and is still liked by all.
Eddie Murphy was busted with a tranny whore in his car, then he does Nutty Professor and Daddy Day Care.
The public has a short term memory. All that people will recall is that Michael Richards was in the news and said something about someone. Meanwhile he's making absolute bank on the syndication and DVD royalties from Seinfeld. At this point he will probably end up on some dumb ass reality show which will invariably reinvigorate his career. Ironic since the hecklers called him washed up in the first place.
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HECK! said this in post #85 :
Could this have actually helped DVD sales?
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I think it could have that ironic effect. Some have accused Seinfeld and Richards of orchestrating it for that objective. If they actually did that and it works, I would think it a pretty edgey strategy.
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EUCLID said this in post #79 :
Jesse Jackson is calling for a boycott of the DVD. Others are calling for a ban on the n-word. |
First one is silly and stupid.
Second one sounds like a good idea.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Don't know man, banning a word? If we want free speech it's either all free or none of it is. I don't use that word, I am no racist, but ignorant or unpopular speech has to be protected.
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| Posted by: Whidden | | Oh yeah, I would ban it. Not in private conversation, but in public events, certain words like the F word have landed folks in jail in certain towns over the years, like George Carlin.
Ban it from all the rap songs, all the comedy routines....censor it. I don't think Western Civilization will crumble as a result. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Then what's the next word banned? It's a slippery slope and next thing you know we'll just be doing sign language or grunting.
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| Posted by: Whidden | | THEN WE COULD BAN MIMES!!!
Oops, left the cap lock on from the Flamers Ward thread, didn't mean to yell.
Hell, I dunno, people need to self censor themselves sometimes, public outcry puts them in dey place rarely, like this event here, but this country had strict laws against public cursing most of it's existence. As the society changes, and words are not that offensive anymore, (like hell and damn have found their way into the mainstream) it aint no big deal no more.
But the N word is just about the most explosive word out there right now. I'm even for editing Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. Just get rid of it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Sure, you can't yell "fire" in a theater and you shouldn't call a black person n*****. It's not cool. I hope it does weed it's way out of everyone's vocabulary. I'm sure it will one day. But to ban a word, like criminally or something is absolutely facist.
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| Posted by: Nymphadora | | I think the word would definately die out if the people who didnt want to be it wouldnt say it. I know the amount of non african americans who say the word has declined drestically over the years. The word is mostly used by afican americans and retarded white kids thinking its cool cause they are down with the home boys or something. And then there are still those rasist people but those numbers are declining as well. I think society as a whole is becomeing more acceping of people, but I do know that racesim works in all directions, and it's not only white people that can be rasist.
poeple shouldnt say it, but i dont think you can ban it. | | Reply To this Message
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