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Posted by: Edward Teach

With Iraq and the war on terror dominating the headlines it is giving Hugo Chavez Carte' Blanche. As most know Chavez has met with some of the worlds worst dictators and leaders including Castro, Ghadafi, Putin and Ahmadinajad or Iran and others. What is he up to? One clue came to me this week when I spoke with someone who has just returned from Ecuador. Most may not know that Ecuador is in the middle of Presidential Elections in October with the rightist candidate Álvaro Noboa winning 26% of the vote and the leftist candidate Rafael Correa winning 23% of the vote which means that there will be a run off election as neither candidate won at least 40% of the vote. Ecuadorians are fearful that Correa supporters supported by Chavez will corrupt the new voting on 26 November.

The talk amongst Ecuadorians is that if Correa becomes President that he will align Ecuador with Chavez and Venezuela. The general feelings are that Chavez intends to mount an attack on the United States and that he is building support. Now consider the other leaders who may have thrown their backing to Chavez.

Are we on the brink of another world war? Do we have enough military to fight in Afghanistan, Iraq and South America not to mention if Chavez brings it to the US?

Your thoughts?

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Posted by: h@ts

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Edward Teach said this in post #1 :
As most know Chavez has met with some of the worlds worst dictators and leaders including Castro, Ghadafi, Putin and Ahmadinajad or Iran and others. What is he up to?


World leaders meet all the time and Venezuela has oil to sell and business to do just like every other country. The US does a lot of business with China.

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Ecuadorians are fearful that Correa supporters supported by Chavez will corrupt the new voting on 26 November.


When has Chavez ever been caught corrupting elections? Chavez is just about the most popular democratic leader in the world. Do you consider that the US may be trying to swing the Ecuadorian elections the way they want it to go, like they've been attempting to do in Venezuela?

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Are we on the brink of another world war? Do we have enough military to fight in Afghanistan, Iraq and South America not to mention if Chavez brings it to the US?

Your thoughts?


Seeing as the US has enough nukes to destroy the world several times over I doubt anyone would do something stupid like launch an attack.
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Posted by: Edward Teach

So you think he has nothing to do with it.

Anyone else have an idea on this?

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well look at this logically for a minute. Castro and the US don't get on but Cuba and Venezuala and Ecuador ( maybe but unlikely) could not take on the US, Ghadaffi seems to have kissed and made up with the west, Putin has enough problem in Chechnya and spies being posioned to bother with the US or venezuela for that matter. Take into account there is no carrot to wave in front of Putin or Ghadaffi, I mean wht is he going to offer them oil? as for Iran, my friend the US is doing enough to pick a fight with Iran it can hardly blem Chavez for that.

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Posted by: h@ts

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Edward Teach said this in post #3 :
So you think he has nothing to do with it.


Do with what? A master-plan to start WWIII or fixing the elections in Ecuador?

Do you think Chavez is getting ready to launch an attack on the United States and start WWIII?

Do you think the Ecuadorian election is being fixed, and have you any evidence to suggest that Chavez has fixed any election he has been involved with?
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Posted by: Edward Teach

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h@ts said this in post #5 :


Do with what? A master-plan to start WWIII or fixing the elections in Ecuador?
Fixing the elections in Ecuador
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Do you think Chavez is getting ready to launch an attack on the United States and start WWIII?
I have no idea, but the Ecuadorians do.
Do you think the Ecuadorian election is being fixed, and have you any evidence to suggest that Chavez has fixed any election he has been involved with?
Again I have no idea, but the Ecuadorians are concerned.
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Posted by: Edward Teach

Also you need to look at the non-aligned countries Chavez is big with them.

Really though what better time to attack the U.S. than now. A lot of our military is overseas and there are more latinos in the U.S. than ever with many more entering daily.

My personal feelings is that we are almost to the point where we could be taken over from within.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

H@ts you have to admit that Chevez is acting out as well as Iran, NK and others. Logic would dictate that there’s more to the meetings than just discussing oil and while no one believes he’s trying to start WWIII, it isn’t unreasonable to think that he’s trying to find a way to be a pain in Bush’s posterior.

Quite frankly, Bush has painted himself almost into a corner because of the Iraq fiasco. He’s lost credibility and he’s bogged down in Iraq. Now because of his arrogance and sorely lack of diplomacy, we have unusual alliances taking place. It’s a simply classic case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Posted by: lodgebo

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Edward Teach said this in post #6 :
Fixing the elections in Ecuador Again I have no idea, but the Ecuadorians are concerned.


Well if that is truen then surely it's an Ecudorian matter and the US would be well advised to keep it's noe out of other people's business, if they ask for help fine but until then you sit back, watch be ready but be quiet.
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Posted by: oneofpeace

Not defending the US for this but don’t many other countries do the same when it comes to their nation’s interests?

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Posted by: lodgebo

I can't really recall many other countries interfering in other nations elections, maybe Russia in the Ukraine and we all know what happend there. but apart from that not really.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

How about Syria and Lebanon for starters? And why do you think they're fighing so hard in Iraq and threatening those that go to the polls?

The US does not stand apart in doing this.

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Posted by: h@ts

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oneofpeace said this in post #8 :
H@ts you have to admit that Chevez is acting out as well as Iran, NK and others. Logic would dictate that there’s more to the meetings than just discussing oil and while no one believes he’s trying to start WWIII, it isn’t unreasonable to think that he’s trying to find a way to be a pain in Bush’s posterior.


Chavez doesn't like Bush, which isn't surprising as he believes he played a hand in the coup that overthrew him for a couple of days in 2002. Plus America has:

- threatened Iran and NK
- strangled Cuba with a 40 year embargo
- supported tyrants in S. America
- overthrown democratic governments in S. Amderica, etc

Enemy of my enemy is my friend... It's a wonder why there aren't more leaders making friends with other countries that the US has pissed off, to protect themselves from any further US aggression and interferance.

The US has lost it's grip over S. America, and maybe that will be a good thing. Certainly a lot of S. Americans think so.
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Posted by: lodgebo

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oneofpeace said this in post #12 :
How about Syria and Lebanon for starters?

And did the US not come down hard on Syria for that ? a little hypocracy there don't you think?

And why do you think they're fighing so hard in Iraq and threatening those that go to the polls?

Well those they are terror groups not really countries so it's a little diffrent

The US does not stand apart in doing this.


No but the US seems to push itself around a little more than other countries
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