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Posted by: lodgebo

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20112006/1...ights-life.html


This seems to be a trend lately mind you this one was shocking to use Thallium on a human being is deplorable he must have really pissed somebody off.

As I said it's a trend with those who oppose or question Putin, there was Politkovskaya who opposed Cheanya, I think another gentleman was killed at the weekend who wanted to continue Politkovskaya's work, there is a man called Berbamov or something like that who live's in exile in the UK, there was the oil baron who is in jail for fraud even though his trail was called a sham by the US, UK and EU and of course the Ukrainian president was poisoned when he stood against a pro Russian candidate even Alex Goldfarb ( mentioned in the news story) fears for his life and the informant is in hiding in Northern Italy.

It shuld be said that the Russian security services have denied any wrongdoing in these incidents but it was the KGB who perfected poisioning Russia's enemies and Putin was a leading meber of which organisation? I would bet that they were not only involved but planned and carried out the whole thing especially when you consider that Thallium is only available in the middle east and Russia.

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Posted by: h@ts

Putin has made a lot of enemies and is using Russian gas as a leverage against Western powers, so there are quite a few people that want to see the back of him, and he is being vilified, and maybe justifiably in the West.

That is the only reason I can think of to doubt these rumours that Putin or agencies of his government are involved in this incident, and maybe the recent killing of the journalist.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Friend of mine said that he would not be surprised in the least if the leader did or had these things done. its a communist state - well, socialist - not much difference. my friend was forced to learn specific things and forced into a particular school. he had no choice. this was only about 6 years ago. russia hasn't changed much in the last 50 years. Even though they had the fall in 89, it still hasn't changed much.

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Posted by: lodgebo

I think the fact that the rushed out and denied it says a lot. In most countries the department would keep thier mouths shut.

There have been 2 new twists in this story today the big one being that the spy has not been given Thallium but somethuing else the second story is that sources in Russia claim he actually poisoned himself.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Sadly he died on Thursday night and it appears that he dies of radiation posioning.

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Posted by: h@ts

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Dreamzwalker said this in post #3 :
[B]Friend of mine said that he would not be surprised in the least if the leader did or had these things done. its a communist state - well, socialist - not much difference.


Communism collapsed in the USSR nearly 20 years ago. Russia did not turn into a socialist state. It became a capitalist free-for-all, where a few went on an asset stripping and plundering rampage of Russia's state owned utilities.

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russia hasn't changed much in the last 50 years. Even though they had the fall in 89, it still hasn't changed much.


Russia has done nothing but change since the end of communism.
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Posted by: Edward Teach

Word is that it was Polonium 210 (I think that's what they said) I think they said it's 10 times more radioactive then Urnaium and a drop the size of the head of a pin can kill a human.

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Posted by: Edward Teach

Polonium is so exceedingly rare that only about 100 grams is believed to be produced each year.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well you can only get it in the West in industrial leveles and even then you need a licencie and lot of clearences by authorities. however the poloniuum 210 that we are talking about would have needed to come from a nuclear reactor so if they can match the polnium to the reactor (which can be done) they can maybe work out who did this. If it came from Russia or another pro Russian state then Putin has some difficult questions to answer, either he ordered the attack or Russian nuclear reactors have a poor security system.

The police today issued a list of places in London and if you were in any of these places on Nov 1 you have to contact the NHS ASAP.

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Posted by: Edward Teach

A few questions then need to be asked.

Who would want him dead? And who would have access to nuclear reactors.

Also as he was an ex KGB agent spilling Russian secrets, I think that pretty much answers who would want him dead. My guess is that it was the KGB. And I sure that they can get their hands on anything that they want.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well there is another option. When Russia was falling apart this guy was ordered to spy on people ( especially KGB people) who were getting rich on the back of the fall of communism, so we are talking about thse that sold arms, or secrets, those that were involved in shady businesses and those that tried to take the oil reserves for themselves. As a result he reported on a lot of people, now those people were charged and some were imprsioned but they never lost thier ill gotten gains and as result this guy made some very rich enemies and in Russia rich = power. It's not entirely inconcevable that a rich man who he annoyed paid an assasian ( possibly ex KGB) and also paid off a nuclear station boss to give him the polonium, for a price of course

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Posted by: fuscia

LONDON, England (AP) -- Anti-terrorist police investigating the death by radioactive poison of a former Soviet spy probed theories ranging from a Kremlin plot to a case of self-poisoning as health authorities prepared Sunday to test 300 people for traces of radiation.

Opposition politicians, meanwhile, pressed for a British government statement on Alexander Litvinenko's poisoning death, which officials have called "unprecedented."

"It is essential that other dissidents living in Britain are reassured about their safety and there are also questions about how polonium-210 came to be used in Britain," said David Davis, the Conservative law-and-order spokesman.

Litvinenko -- a former KGB agent who was a fierce critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin -- died Thursday of heart failure after falling gravely ill from what doctors said was poisoning by the radioactive element polonium-210.

London Metropolitan Police said Sunday they were investigating a "suspicious death," rather than a murder. They have not ruled out the possibility that Litvinenko may have poisoned himself.

Litvinenko, 43, told police he believed he was poisoned November 1 while investigating the October slaying of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, another critic of Putin's government. He was moved to intensive care last week after his hair fell out, his throat became swollen and his immune and nervous systems suffered severe damage.

Britain's Health Protection Agency called the poisoning by polonium-210 -- a rare radioactive element usually produced in a nuclear reactor or particle accelerator -- "an unprecedented event."

The discovery triggered meetings of the government's top-level emergency committee, COBRA, and an attempt to trace everyone who came into contact with Litvinenko on the day he fell ill.

Traces of radiation were found at Litvinenko's north London house, a sushi bar where he met a contact November 1 and a hotel he visited earlier that day, police said.

The Health Protection Agency said 300 people who had visited the locations have contacted officials. They will be screened and some will have their urine tested for radiation, the agency said.

"We are clearly taking this extremely seriously," the agency's director of radiation, chemicals and environmental hazards, Roger Cox, told Sky News television. "There is a lot of radioactivity involved."

But the agency insisted the risk to others was low because polonium-210 can only contaminate if it is ingested, inhaled or taken in through a wound.

Detectives have finished their search of the sushi bar where Litvinenko met an Italian contact, Mario Scaramella. The building was being decontaminated, police said.

Litvinenko's contaminated body was released to a coroner late Saturday, and government pathologists were awaiting advice on whether it was safe to perform an autopsy.

In a dramatic statement dictated from his hospital bed and read outside the hospital after his death, Litvinenko accused the "barbaric and ruthless" Putin of ordering his poisoning.

Putin has called the death a tragedy and denied involvement.

On Sunday, Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB spy who is a member of the Russian parliament, said Putin's government played no part in the death.

"I completely rule out the possibility of that being done on official orders from anyone in the authorities," Lebedev told Sky News.

Litvinenko and his allies, however, were adamant that the Russian intelligence services were to blame. (Theories)

The dead spy's friend, Andrei Nekrasov, said Sunday he doubted the order to kill Litvinenko had come directly from Putin.

"I think Mr. Putin's orders on this are unlikely," he told British Broadcasting Corp. television. He said it was more likely the work of rogue elements in the security forces.

The Sunday Times newspaper reported that as he lay dying, Litvinenko named an alleged Russian agent he feared had been sent to hunt him down, and said he previously complained to police that the man had harassed him at home.

Litvinenko claimed the Russian agent was not directly involved in his poisoning but had been sent to monitor his activities, the newspaper said.

The Metropolitan Police said it could not immediately confirm whether officers would seek to interview the alleged Russian agent.

Britain's Foreign Office has asked Moscow for help with the investigation but the government has avoiding criticizing the Kremlin or suggesting official involvement in Litvinenko's death.

On Sunday, however, Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain accused Putin of presiding over "huge attacks on individual liberty and on democracy."

Hain said Putin's tenure had been "clouded" by incidents "including an extremely murky murder of a senior Russian journalist" -- Politkovskaya.

In interviews given before his death, Litvinenko claimed that as a Russian agent, he was ordered to hire assassins to kill rivals to Kremlin-favored business leaders and execute whistle-blowers who threatened to expose corruption.

Litvinenko worked for the KGB and its successor, the FSB. In 1998, he publicly accused his superiors of ordering him to kill tycoon Boris Berezovsky and spent nine months in jail from 1999 on charges of abuse of office. He was later acquitted and in 2000 sought asylum in Britain.

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Posted by: lodgebo

I don't think he killed himself mainly because when he lived in the UK he would have had great difficulty in getting polonium, then there is this agent who allegedly was monitoring him, if that is true it seems a little conveinient that the 3 places he planned to go had polonium in them.

Ironicaly this Boris Berezovsky was a friend of Litvinenko they became clsoe when they were both exiled in the UK, don't know if I could befriend the man who went out to kill me.

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Posted by: Edward Teach

Maybe his monitor was a KGB agent.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well it's nopt the KGB anymore I think it's FSV same old friendly service but under a diffrent name.
Anyway it appears that Tony Blair will not talk to Putin about this at the NATO confrence in Latvia, I find that unusual I know there are maybe more pressing issues but this incidnt is seriously damaging relations between the UK and Russia, relations which have been good for the past few years.
It has alos come out that the Italian man Litivenko met has been taken into protective custody by Italian police so maybe he thinks he next which would make perfect sense.

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