Immnent War With Iran Only Hurts Innocent

Iran Forum

Only Countries in Middle East having nuclear program are allies of America. Israel, India and Pakistan. No one seems concern about that despite the fact Israel shared nuclear secrets with South Africa in 70s and 80s. Pakiston shared nuclear secrets with unknown amount of countries ; and India and Pakiston are a disagreement away from nuclear war.

2nd, while Bush ad is threatning Irans nuclear objectives, it will not ask Israel to disarm program. How can there be one-sided nuclear disarmament with levels of tension in Middle East? Its irrational to ask Arab country to ignore nuclear capabilities when
Israel has a nuclear weapons program finance by US.

Nuclear disarmament must be total or the reality is that it will not happen. The only options is living with nuclear Iran or another war.

"The Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians' military capability in 3 days ..." -[ The Times of London, September 2 2007]

Whenever there is a war innocents do get hurt it's just a sad fact and in some cases the casualties are unavoidable.
India, Israel and Pakistan do indeed have nukes but unlike Iran they have not threatend to wipe out neighbouring countries and they don't really have a man with questionable views on Israel with his finger on the button.

The thing is though this is not another Iraq issue, in this case it's not just America that have issues with Iran there is the UK, Russia, France, Germany, Italy, China the EU as a collective body, the UN has worries over what Iran are up to as do the IAEA and Saudi Arabia and Jordan have quitely vented thier anger mainly because they are also in range if Iran decide to up the ante. All these groups stating the same thing suggest Iran may be in the wrong especially when Russia and China start to apply the pressure.

I know America has suggested military engagement but I can't see it being anytime soon mainly because they will have to go it alone as the other countries have ruled out military action secondly they don't have the troops, money or ammo to wage 3 wars and thirdly because Iran unlike Iraq has a good army and will be able to match the US in terms of air and sea combat which is a problem because that is how the US plan to win wars. I think more than likely you will see sanctions I know the UK has put more sanctions on Iraq today and the other will no doubt follow suit.

Personally I doubt anything big is coming any time soon miltary plams are drawn up a lot yet rarely get used.

Lodge is half-right. While it is a world issue, both China and Russia are in support of Iran. Most likely due to the fact that they are the two main suppliers to Iran's military and funds. Way to go, Asia.

A war with Iran would not be a white/black issue (I don't mean race, I mean ethical/unethical). It's a very gray area. Yes, we are obligated to help Israel because of certain treaties, and yes Iran has said their hope is to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. However, a pre-emptive war with Iran would most likely be characterized as jumping the gun.

The thing is Malcolm Israel has never fully admitted to having nukes at least I think thats the case, but I have never seen the leader of Israel saying they want Iran destroyed. Iran has proved time and time again it will do what it can to disrupt harmony in the area if it is not kidnapping sailors and claiming Iraq waters as Iranian it is firing rockets in unscehduled war games or the government having a hand in smuggling weapons over the border to help terrorists or something less covert like the leader just standing on a podium saying Israel must be wiped out, the thing is I thought somebody like yourself would understand because Iran wants Jews gone not Israel just like people in parts of America wanted the blacks gone.

The thing you asked about Russia is diffrent froim the US case with Israel because I don't think Russia is actually arming them I think Russia is reluctent to have sanctions imposed on them. Mind you Russia is also a country we should be worried about they are like an impotent old man that just found Viagra and now they want to **** something right up.


What you said about risking your kids life for another country well if I had a kid and that was his / her job then yes because more often than not you have to do the right thing. What would have happend if the UK had ignored when Hitler invaded Poland? or if NATO ignored the ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, or if the US, UK and French ignored the invasion of Kuwait? look what happend when we ingored Darfur. Now if my son was involved in a fight like that I would be worried but I would know he is doing the right thing.
I know you have to the right thing at times hell when the war in Kuwait was going on I was behind enemy lines in Iraq doing a dangerous job but it was the right thing to do because we were trying to atop the s**t from hitting the fan.

The U.S. pretty much declared war on the Iranian people in 1954 when the CIA invested 1 million dollars in overthrowing the democratic government in Iran in order to steal the Iranian oil fields. The “revolution” in the 1980’s (and tossing the Americans out) was merely a belated reaction to such American treachery.

What we see today in Iran is the natural development of the long-lasting problems the U.S. has itself created in Iran and in the whole region.

Theres a diffrence betweenm a peacekeepiong force and an invasion to some viable unbiased research on US troops in Somalia.

Also I doubt very much an invaison on Iraq is imminent the recent reports abput Irans nuclear capabilities has softend the stance and gave people more time, the US does not have the financies or troop numbers to fight a war on 3 fronts and they can forget about troop support from anyone because nobody else (excpet Israel) thinks a war is the way forward.

This you back again Joe just recovered from the election hammering have you?

How do you know I am wearing a kilt have you got secret cameras in my house? I saw that movie sliver, god you can't even spell the place you are slagging. the borough is spelt Burgh

Anyway naebrain ( thats Edinborugh talk apprently) how exactly are you blaming ME for the stance thet international community has taken? I am just telling you what has happend now I know you rednecks don't watch much except fox news and most of you struggle with the big words in the papers but I can assure you that the intel carried out by the US states that Iran is not an imminent threat and has no nuclear weapons so if you want to have a got at somebody how about your own government that carried out the reserach.

And as for fighting Islamic terror hmm I did 3 tours in Afghanistan and was carriying out ops against Islamic terror groups in N. Afriuca before the words 9/11 had been mutterd now what have you done to fight terror? BTW logfing on to this site doesn't count.

Here is the link to the NIE report on Irans nuclear capabilities ( You will need Adobe or something similar)

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

ishlamic ill-behavior will always be dealt with.....sooner or later

You have to be Joe only Joe would come up with the bulls**t response. If you are right and this behaviour will be dealt with I guess it won't be the USA dealing with it.

who cares lodgeball...as long as it's dealt with

you cowardly scotch ponce

So who is going to deal with it seriously? no country is going to satrt a war based on the intel that is now available and as for being a coward how have you come to that conclusion?

You wear your cowardliness like a true left-wing-ed europatsy


why don't you just convert/submit to ishlam.....might as well get it over with, submission in your future anyway

i wouldn't exactly consider Islam to be a left-winged philosophy......

I laugh at the backwardness of ishlam aka: "The Loser's Club"

lodgeball, are you already a member? yeah you are burka-boy !!

Like I said alreay redneck I am an Athesit I know you have to be a Christian.

So which ex member are you? there were a few f**kwits in the past that speak like you did and your writing and delivery is something I have seen in a few past members if I had to guess I would say you wre either USA1, Americahh, Joe or that waste of a life Sordidmesh though you may be somebody else INR is cool with bigotry on the site so you can say pretty much you want about any relgion.

Still have not told how you think I am a coward.

lodgeball, I'll be in scotland to *****-slap you this Spring

make sure you give your boyfriend a fabulous NYE <bleep>...you submissive wanker

Well you want to come all this way to experince intensive care in Scotland that's fine by me.

As for your other commnets I think staments like that say more about your sexuality that it does mine.

As far as I see it you have lost the arguement and any ceridibility you may have had your threts and name calling from the start prove that. You are nothing more than a wee Nazi with a keyboard.

lodgeball, as I lead you around by the nose its quite amusing to know that you're just the type to be put promptly on your belly by some cretin named mohammed

they use cowardly slaves like you as pincushions

Funny I have put a few of them on thier belly along with a few bullets in the head.

Anyway I am done with you, you ain't got nothing positive to add and have shown you that you lack the intelligence and are to blinded by your prejudices to waste mt time on. Enjoy your bigoted little life you are going to end very lonely and empty.

cowardly submissive squeals from lodgeball-sacrossthenose

Well the ambassador to the UK does not speak for the Isarelli PM or the Isarelli defence secretary does he? As far as I am aware Isarel has already bombed the nuclear facility many times last year but never managed to make a dent in it but since this report the bombing raids have stopped.
Anyway Israel won't start a war in Iran they can't rely on the US not with the problems they have got and they won't get UN backing when there is no justification for a war.
Iran on the other hand only needs one Isarelli boot over the border before they call on thier Muslim brothers ( who BTW they could not give a toss about) to help them wipe out the zinoist regime that is a threat to all muslims ( you know the crap that the leader spouts).
I guarntee they will assist Syria, Bahrain, Uzbekistran Turjkmenisatn will no doubt be stupid enough to help not to mention every militant fighter from Iraq to America will be doing everything they can to get to the war zone, don't think for a minute that Iraq will let this little battle go on unchecked next door, then theres Russia who are desperate to prove they are still a dominant player they back Iran and have relations with them and they are not to fond of Iarael. Thats what Isarel will consider.
During the first gulf war we had to go into Iraq to take out the scud missiles thats were raining down on Israel, we were told that if we didn't stop these attacks then Israel would enter the war and no Muslim country however friendly they were to us would stand for a Jewish attack on a Muslim country, now that was a long time ago but in that time the attitude will not have changed in fact it may have got tougher thats probably what will stop Israel carrying out a unilateral attack on Iran.

I am wondering if Iran may be looking for a fight with the US, the way I look at it is like this. Iran revelled in the challenge of standing up to the US almost going to the brink of war then there was this report and the threat and challenge kind of went away so what do the Iranians do? send out the revolutionary guard in thier boats and threaten to blow up a US warship in international waters no reason to do this unless you wnat to be hostile and create trouble.

I painted a pretty broad brush across all three, as evidenced by this statement: