600,000 Iraqis dead study says... |
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BAGHDAD, Oct. 10 — A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here.
...it is an estimate and not a precise count, and researchers acknowledged a margin of error that ranged from 426,369 to 793,663 deaths.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/w...gin&oref=slogin |
Believable? The Iraqi government is now withholding casualty figures. The US never did body counts.
The Bush PR machine will instantly get into gear, the arguments will begin about, methodology, bias, polls, agendas etc which will baffle the public and make the whole thing meaningless.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | The scary thing about this report is that the violent deqaths have gone up every year instead of going down but hey it was wroth it for those purple fingers. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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lodgebo said this in post #3 :
The scary thing about this report is that the violent deqaths have gone up every year instead of going down but hey it was wroth it for those purple fingers. |
"Mission Accomplished", I suppose.
It seems at times both parties want to use this war for their own political mojo and other times they slam the other side for doing it. Regardless, it's a piss poor way to do business.
-HECK!
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| Posted by: h@ts | | A majority of Iraqis want the US out of Iraq. A majority think the US presence is making the situation worse. Clearly despite the US presence the violence continues to get worse. So what good are we doing there and would it in fact get worse than the disaster that it already is if we left?
The military needs to give a reasoned response to all the above points without political pressure from Bush. Vietnam went on for 5 years longer than it needed to for purely political reasons and it looks like the same thing's happening in Iraq. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Preston L. | | Hasn't Iraq been an unmitigated success story for the US regime. I mean, you've got to doff your cap the way they nearly found those imaginary WMD. And only a few hundred thousand Iraqis died in the process, but, what the hell, they'll soon be forgotten. But what am I saying? The world's now a better place without Hussein, apparently. So good in fact that indigenous Iraqis are blowing each other up because things are just so wonderful in Iraq. Thanks Mr Bush for you worldy wisdom. I don't know what those thousands of dead Iraqis would have done without you.
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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Wednesday October 11, 2006
The Guardian
...the Lancet says the work, from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, has been examined and validated by four separate independent experts who all urged publication.
Between May and July this year, they visited 1,849 households in 47 separated clusters across the length and breadth of Iraq. The doctors asked about deaths among members of the household in a period before the invasion, from January 2002 to March 2003, and about deaths since. In 92% of cases, they were shown death certificates confirming the cause.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1892888,00.html |
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| Posted by: h@ts | | What was Bush's reply to the report:
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| "No question it is violent, but this report is one - they put it out before. The methodology was pretty well discredited," he said. |
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| Posted by: Preston L. | | H@ts,
You mean Bush actually replied? And there's me thinking he couldn't read. How wrong I can be at times. I no longer think of Bush as a cretin; he has now risen in my estimation to the level of a dolt.
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| Posted by: Preston L. | | Army chief calls for Iraq pullout
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/13102006/3...aq-pullout.html
The game is up for Blair and Bush. The Siamese Twits have finally been nailed by someone who knows what they are talking about.
"General Sir Richard Dannatt blames British troop presence in Iraq for turning tolerance there into "intolerance".
"As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited in a country, but we weren't invited certainly by those in Iraq at the time. The military campaign we fought in 2003 effectively kicked the door in."
If the Nuremberg Trial protocol was applied to Bush and Blair, they would both face the death penalty because, according to Rob Newman, those Nazi who were tried at the Nuremberg Trial were hanged, not on the basis of mass extermination of Jewish civilians, but for 'initiating and engaging in an aggressive war', a la Blair and Bush.
Long live the democratic invasion of impoverished Arabic countries.
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| Posted by: gaboman | |
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P.O.T.U.S. said this in post #7 :
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You think it's funny? What the...?
Bush thinks this survey is discredited, and I guess that's a fair assumption, but if they said 100,000, I wouldn't doubt it for a second. 200,000 is even far from impossible. Regardless of the exact figure, you would hope he'd feel something about the loss of so many lives rather than nitpicking over the figure.
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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gaboman said this in post #12 :
Bush thinks this survey is discredited, and I guess that's a fair assumption |
Why is it a fair assumption? Do you think Bush even gave the report a moment's thought? Of course he didn't - how long did it take him to respond, minutes, hours?
The majority of Iraqis don't want us in Iraq. The majority of Iraqis support attacks on US and coalition forces. The violence has continually got worse for 3 years, and now the head of the British army admits we are part of the problem and only exacerbate the violence in many areas.
Does anyone think that the only reason troops are remaining in Iraq is to save the face of politicians?
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