You know, why is there such hatred and enemity between Jews? How is that possible that one Jew will call another Jew a "non Jew"? Just because he doesn't abide to the "rules" the same way? Just becasue he decided to live his life in a different way, he's no longer a Jew? How can a person who calls himself a Jew go and make alliances with those who seek to destroy Israel?
Correct me if i am wrong, but i believe that God, Christian or Jewish, teaches us to love, to stand united. After all, both christians and Jews believe in the same God, only with some differences. We're all people. With thoughts and dreams and fears. How come we hate each other so much? Why do these words have to be old fashioned and not belong to the modern days?
We let our lust for power and money corrupt us. If not, give me another reason. Where did this hatred towards the Jews came from? Where did this hatred amongst the Jews towards each other came from?
Isn't there anything one can do to stop this? Here we all are, sitting in our own rubbish, and letting evil spread around the world.
Well, we shouldn't be surprised then if one day we'll wake up and there'll be no world left.
what im aksing is they are not from palaestine whare are they from all we know is about 400 years ago they were enslaved in egypt so what we know they are from egypt
They were a nomadic tribe in modern-day Israel, Lebanon, Sinai, Syria, wandered into Egypt and got enslaved, then wandered in the desert after they liberated, then back to Israel.
cool can you give me more info about ware they are from so i can understand why thare is a war for palestine land and why the un has not put a stop to israel.
Well if you go international law and UN checklists Israel has probabal racked a fair few violations of international law but the problem is that whenever a country puts forward a resolution condemming or calling for sanctions against them the US cetoes it, in fact the US has always vetoed any resolution against Israel. I think the UN website has a page that deals with resolutions and tells you who vetoed them.
drew i think a bit more research might help you understand!!
Why should the UN intervene?
Israel is a thriving state, leading the way in various areas the only problem is that certain neighbours are terrorist and do not have a word in their vocabulary called PEACE!!
Not everyone wants violence but you have to defend yourself!!
helenbscott said this in post #10 : drew i think a bit more research might help you understand!!
Why should the UN intervene?
Israel is a thriving state, leading the way in various areas the only problem is that certain neighbours are terrorist and do not have a word in their vocabulary called PEACE!!
Not everyone wants violence but you have to defend yourself!!
Every so often this subject comes full circle again. Drew, if you have access to the web, try finding info there. Beware that there are many sites biased for and against Israel so you’ll have to be careful to find a site that’s informational and not propaganda.
There are online encyclopedias which would be a pretty good start. But in short, the land there has been conquered and reconquered many time throughout history. Both Jews and Arabs have history there and neither side are without fault for the violence we see there.
However I have to say this. UN Arab sponsored resolutions against Israel are onesided. This is largely why the US vetoes the resolutions because they most assuredly lay blame solely on Israel. I believe they would have a better chance of passing if the resolutions were more balanced in content than they are.
Most of the resolutions, even when Europe presents them are lobbied by the Arab states. Syria is usually the one spearheading them and while many can agree that Israel’s tactics aren’t always warranted, the resolutions show very little effort to condemn violence by opposing Arab militias.
I would have to disagree with you on that pointfor example the UK and Germany have presented reolutions against Israel and against the PA, France has also presented resolutions at one time or another and these have been of the countrues own free will. Also some of the more moderate arab states have presented resolutions only to have then vetoed, even vetoes that have had many countries signatures on them have simple been vetoed.
I remember going back almsot two years now and there was an interview with the former British ambassador to the UN and the issue of Israel and Palestine came up. I remember he was scathing in his view on the Palestinan authorities and Hamas however this is what he said about Israel " and of course when it comes to Israel they know they can violate international laws as they please because they have a certain ally that will never accept any criticism of that state"
Is Hamas violating international law? How about Iran and Syria? How about Hezbollah? Can you name one UN resolution that solely blames any conflict on Arab states or Islamic Terrorists?
I mentioned in my post that most resolutions are aimed at Israel and are lobbied or sponsored by Arabs. Occasionally there are others in the EU that do sponsor resolutions and the US isn’t always right for vetoing them.
If you notice, the resolutions vetoed are never taken back and reworded or reworked for more acceptable content that the US will agree upon. It’s either condemn Israel or condemn Israel and lightly condemn Islamic Terrorists.
Usually a resolution is only sponsored after Israeli actions, even if they are responding or simply initiating the violence. To this day, Hezbollah hasn’t honored the agreement for the cease fire from the last war by releasing the Israeli soldiers or laying down their arms.
Is Hamas violating international law? How about Iran and Syria? How about Hezbollah? Can you name one UN resolution that solely blames any conflict on Arab states or Islamic Terrorists?
I mentioned in my post that most resolutions are aimed at Israel and are lobbied or sponsored by Arabs. Occasionally there are others in the EU that do sponsor resolutions and the US isn’t always right for vetoing them.
If you notice, the resolutions vetoed are never taken back and reworded or reworked for more acceptable content that the US will agree upon. It’s either condemn Israel or condemn Israel and lightly condemn Islamic Terrorists.
Usually a resolution is only sponsored after Israeli actions, even if they are responding or simply initiating the violence. To this day, Hezbollah hasn’t honored the agreement for the cease fire from the last war by releasing the Israeli soldiers or laying down their arms.
If you notice, the resolutions vetoed are never taken back and reworded or reworked for more acceptable content that the US will agree upon. It’s either condemn Israel or condemn Israel and lightly condemn Islamic Terrorists.
Are you kidding in one instance the UK tried to rewrite a resolution 4 times and every time the US vetoed it. It's a well known fact that in some cases US diplomats don't even read the resolution just veto it if they know it will result in a condemantion or sanctions against Israel and that is just as bad as not condemming Hamas and thier buddies.
US diplomats don't even read the resolution just veto it if they know it will result in a condemantion or sanctions against Israel and that is just as bad as not condemming Hamas and thier buddies.[/COLOR] [/B]
didnt realise you were in contact with US diplomats and how they work, what a statement to make then you compare that to being as bad as terrorist, i think some peoples perception are quite strange!!
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Are you kidding in one instance the UK tried to rewrite a resolution 4 times and every time the US vetoed it. It's a well known fact that in some cases US diplomats don't even read the resolution just veto it if they know it will result in a condemantion or sanctions against Israel
If this is the case, I’m not aware of it. Usually what I see is a resolution heavily condemning Israel and making mention sometimes of Islamic terrorists. But clearly the lay blame almost squarely on Israel’s shoulders.
I also asked a question in which you’ve yet to answer. Do you know of any resolutions that blames Hamas, Jihad, Brigade, or any Islamic Terrorist Org alone for any violence? There’s plenty that blame Israel alone and the one’s that make weak reference to Islamic Terrorists usually aren’t written up until after Israel takes some sort of action.
I also asked a question in which you’ve yet to answer. Do you know of any resolutions that blames Hamas, Jihad, Brigade, or any Islamic Terrorist Org alone for any violence? There’s plenty that blame Israel alone and the one’s that make weak reference to Islamic Terrorists usually aren’t written up until after Israel takes some sort of action.
There have been a few I don't know any of the resolution numbers but there certainly have been a few aimed at Hamas ( political wing) and toward Syria. The problem is that to bring resolutions out against terror groups is an absolutely pointless exercises, they are already acting illegally so exactly how do you punish them? there has been plenty of condemnation when terror attacks happen in Israel or anywhere in the world for that matter. but if you think we are going to get parity where we treat terrorists and government in the same manner then that is just a dream.
didnt realise you were in contact with US diplomats and how they work, what a statement to make then you compare that to being as bad as terrorist, i think some peoples perception are quite strange!!
Don't need to be in contact with US diplomats it's a well known fact who's side they will take no matter, a quck look st some of the resolutions they have vetoed will show you that.
Think about this when Hamas or any other terrorist group attacks Israel then along with Israel the first country to condemm the terrorists is the US now that is right and proper because what these terrorists have done is violate international laws , but when Israel does things which can be proven are against international law the silence from Washington is deafening and any time people try to punish Israel the US vetoes it. So for the US to condemm one group and support another is almost as bad as Hamas political wing supporting an attack on Israel. Both acts are illegal and many innocents will have died on both sides but the perpetraitors of both acts know they will get support in thier actions from at least one group.
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The problem is that to bring resolutions out against terror groups is an absolutely pointless exercises, they are already acting illegally….
…. if you think we are going to get parity where we treat terrorists and government in the same manner then that is just a dream
I couldn’t agree more with this so now what do you do when you’re a state and you have these terrorist orgs attacking your societies?
Clearly this is why Iran would rather fund and support Hezbollah than the official Lebanese government because they can act illegally while Israel is demanded to act within International Law.
What do you do? simple you go after the leaders not the civlians don't stoop to thier level. I know it this may not be on the same level but when I was in the SAS if a major attack happend in the UK or to British troops we were in Ireland within the hour and the leaders or high up's in the terror orgs were going to have a nasty accident we did that and as a result the main civlian casulties came from the terror groups who quckly lost support at home and we won the majority of the battles. The thing was bombing downtown Belfast because it was an IRA strognhold was not an option we wanted to be better then them we probabaly would have ignored that order even if it was authorised by Maggie.
Now obvioulsy some countries do things diffrently but I seriously doubt that the IDF don't have a anti - terror special forces unit, mind you if they do what exaclty does it do?
Lodge, what do you do when they are shooting rockets into your communities from civilian locations? You have to know this is a tactic by these terrorist orgs. They hide amongst civilians and they fight from among them as well.
But even with what you suggest, going after leadership. Israel has done this and still receives condemnation. When they killed the guy in the wheelchair, many in the UN condemned Israel, especially the Arab States.
I believe we have no idea how many times Israel has called off strikes because of civilian casualties but I believe there are many. These terrorist purposely aim at civilians while shooting at them from among their own civilians. We have yet for one Arab State to condemn them for this.
Allow me to slightly digress, but they kill others as well as themselves by the hundreds and Arabs say nothing about it. But when Israel kill a Palestinians, their in the streets tearing their clothes off and chanting death to Israel and America. It’s the height of hypocrisy.
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Don't need to be in contact with US diplomats it's a well known fact who's side they will take no matter, a quck look st some of the resolutions they have vetoed will show you that. [/B]
Again you may think you know but you have no hard proof or work yourself as a diplomat, only eveidence is hear say!!
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Think about this when Hamas or any other terrorist group attacks Israel then along with Israel the first country to condemm the terrorists is the US now that is right and proper because what these terrorists have done is violate international laws , but when Israel does things which can be proven are against international law the silence from Washington is deafening and any time people try to punish Israel the US vetoes it. So for the US to condemm one group and support another is almost as bad as Hamas political wing supporting an attack on Israel. Both acts are illegal and many innocents will have died on both sides but the perpetraitors of both acts know they will get support in thier actions from at least one group. [/B]
If terrorists attack they follow no rules of engagment nor International laws so the only way to compete at times is on their level fight fire with fire!!
drew1980 said this in post #4 : what im aksing is they are not from palaestine whare are they from all we know is about 400 years ago they were enslaved in egypt so what we know they are from egypt
the jews were enslaved by Egypt a few thousand years ago dude, they've been in israel for about 3000 years.
Hit the nail on the head right there.