Can Arabs-Iraq Handle Democracy? |
| Posted by: fred hooper | | Democracy does account for something like 120 nations and covers 60% of the worlds population. Europe, Australia, Nth America, Asia are practically all democractic with dabblings in the other continents.
Can the Middle East handle and have democracy though? I don't think its a Muslim thing as such because Indonesia is a democracy as is alot of Sth East Asia to Central Asia but more of an Arab Middle East problem.
Can an Arab think for himself and be democractic or are they just resigned to following the books of Allah, kings and dictators which is their be all and end all of life today? There is not one real democracy in the Middle East except....you guessed it, Israel (how ironic  ).
I still refuse to believe that democracy can be suitable for the entire world bar the Middle East. Or maybe Arabs are just that down in life they have to have someone to tell them what to do and think all the time under some one way Islamic state. Maybe Arabs just like being told what to do they've become used to it that much.
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| Posted by: zhangten | | Arabs-Iraq has their ways of living. Why it has to be "Democracy". No such law says all countries has to be "Democracy", or it will be invaded. First have a war to the country, then let us find evidence, because they are not a "Democracy". | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: rowdyrjp | |
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Originally posted by fred hooper
Democracy does account for something like 120 nations and covers 60% of the worlds population. Europe, Australia, Nth America, Asia are practically all democractic with dabblings in the other continents.
Can the Middle East handle and have democracy though? I don't think its a Muslim thing as such because Indonesia is a democracy as is alot of Sth East Asia to Central Asia but more of an Arab Middle East problem.
Can an Arab think for himself and be democractic or are they just resigned to following the books of Allah, kings and dictators which is their be all and end all of life today? There is not one real democracy in the Middle East except....you guessed it, Israel (how ironic ).
I still refuse to believe that democracy can be suitable for the entire world bar the Middle East. Or maybe Arabs are just that down in life they have to have someone to tell them what to do and think all the time under some one way Islamic state. Maybe Arabs just like being told what to do they've become used to it that much.
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Wow fred, could you slur these people more? I don't know the stats on how much of world's population is 60% or not... but say for argument's sake you are right. So what? I mean really that also would mean that 40% of the world choose another form of government. So?
Democracy is not new. Democracies, Republics, Monarchies, Theocracies, Dictatorships, Totalitarian states, Communism the list of possibilities goes on and on and has for 1000's of years. The world does not need to be converted to one particular form of government. Every culture should seek and evolve the type of leadership and government that suits their needs. It is never up to outsiders to judge or force systemic change. Governance and leadership are integral to a society's culture.... there are no culture police... there never should be either.
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| Posted by: Americaaah | |
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Originally posted by rowdyrjp
Wow fred, could you slur these people more? I don't know the stats on how much of world's population is 60% or not... but say for argument's sake you are right. So what? I mean really that also would mean that 40% of the world choose another form of government. So?
Democracy is not new. Democracies, Republics, Monarchies, Theocracies, Dictatorships, Totalitarian states, Communism the list of possibilities goes on and on and has for 1000's of years. The world does not need to be converted to one particular form of government. Every culture should seek and evolve the type of leadership and government that suits their needs. It is never up to outsiders to judge or force systemic change. Governance and leadership are integral to a society's culture.... there are no culture police... there never should be either. |
Easy for you to say, rowdy. Canada is a democracy—you can vote for your government. Now the Iraqis will be able to so as well. And yes, a democracy IS better for them than either a Dictatorship or a Theocracy, regardless of your rhetoric to the contrary. And you know this! And yes, as an outsider to Iraq I say so, and I am making this judgement as a citizen of democracy. My opinion, remember?
You see, rowdy, the bottom line is that what is best for the Iraqi people outweighs petty political rhetoric against the nation that made a better life and a better government possible for them.
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| Posted by: rowdyrjp | |
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Originally posted by Americaaah
Easy for you to say, rowdy. Canada is a democracy—you can vote for your government. Now the Iraqis will be able to so as well. And yes, a democracy IS better for them than either a Dictatorship or a Theocracy, regardless of your rhetoric to the contrary. And you know this! And yes, as an outsider to Iraq I say so, and I am making this judgement as a citizen of democracy. My opinion, remember?
You see, rowdy, the bottom line is that what is best for the Iraqi people outweighs petty political rhetoric against the nation that made a better life and a better government possible for them.
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On a couple of points you are dead on. It easy for me to say because I live in a society that is democratic. But we arrived at this ourselves! That is important, any meaningful and lasting change MUST come from within. Otherwise the bitterness over having something thrust upon you will always present danger of revolt!
I, also do believe democracy would be better for Iraqis in long run..... but only if they choose it. At the very least the election soon {?} to come in Iraq should be open to all parties. If they choose democracy it will have a much better chance of lasting.
I truly disagree with you on the outsider part though... You and I and our Govs... none of us has a right to participate/manipulate/create the Iraqi form of government. Self determination ought to be the hallmark of JUST international relations.
I am a firm in multilateralism and tolerance. I also believe that a probable reason these cultures are "behind" in our estimations when it comes to human rights is a matter of peacetime vs wartime.
Let me explain, North America has had so much relative peace isolated by Oceans that our culture has had the breathing room to evolve more sensitive views on human rights. That is why slavery, women's rights etc are issued we were able to solve.
In times of crisis though we relapse quickly { japanese internment camps in USA and Canada during WWII, patriot act 1 + 2, etc. }. Now imagine if we had not had 200 years of relative security. Might we still have slaves? Might women still be second class citizens with no voice? Do we not decy these very same things in our enemies? And lastly have they not been living in much less security and far more dangers and wars than we have?
Are these questions relevant when we judge another society?
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