Should protesters be allowed to protest at funerals? |
| Posted by: Whidden | | Starting to happen more and more. Protesters show up at the funeral of our fallen troops and/or homosexuals or Aids victims to protest the War, Gays, Aids deaths, whatever, etc.
Meanwhile the family has to bury their dead, while people are marching with signs like this:
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States restrict funeral protests after uproar in Kansas
By Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY
Anti-gay protests by a small religious group at funerals for troops killed in Iraq have prompted more than a dozen states to move to restrict picketing at funerals.
The rare action focused on a single person, the Rev. Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, has raised concerns about how to balance protesters' First Amendment rights and mourners' rights to be shielded from offensive messages.
Governors in South Dakota and Wisconsin signed laws this month restricting funeral protests. At least 13 states are considering such laws, plus Kansas may expand its existing ban.
Westboro Baptist members picket military funerals, holding signs with such messages as "Thank God for IEDs" and "God Hates *** Enablers." They say God is punishing America for tolerating gays.
The Wisconsin law bans protests within 500 feet of a funeral before, during and after the service.
Gov. Jim Doyle says Phelps and his followers "have a constitutional right to state their opinion, as totally bizarre as this one is. But the families have a right to a time in which they can grieve and express their admiration and respect for these fallen soldiers."
David Hudson, an attorney at the First Amendment Center, says a key issue is whether family privacy is a compelling reason to restrict speech. "The courts are obviously going to have to sort this out," he says.
Edwin Yohnka, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union in Illinois, says a proposal there that limits the time and distance of funeral protests is too broad.
The limit could be applied to somebody picketing the appearance of a public official at the service or somebody protesting on another issue, he says.
Phelps, 76, a law school graduate, vows to challenge the laws in court and says he'll win. He says a 90-foot limit is reasonable, but he would sue over anything farther.
"We're going to get rich off the stuff they're doing," he says. "This is finger-lickin' good."
Westboro Baptist Church has about 100 members, he says, many from his family of 13 children. His church gained notoriety in the 1990s by picketing the funerals of people who died from AIDS.
Phelps makes no apologies.
He says IEDs, the abbreviation for the improvised explosive devices that have proved deadly to U.S. troops, are God's way of punishing America.
"It's God's wrath," he says. "It is a direct, immediate stroke on a depraved nation." |
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| Posted by: fuscia | | I voted "HELL NO!" It is tacky, and rude. People deserve the right to have closure, and these idiots are hurting people who are already in pain.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | I understand freedom of speech and protest rights and all that stuff, but a funeral or a wedding is private time for families, who are already in a world of hurt.
What kind of weirdo goes to a funeral with signs like that, and hides behind lawyers? Go downtown and protest, or to the post office, or at the mall.
Weddings and Funerals should be respected as private functions, though they are held in public areas. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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Whidden said this in post #3 :
I understand freedom of speech and protest rights and all that stuff, but a funeral or a wedding is private time for families, who are already in a world of hurt.
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Especially the Wedding. Those people are hurting bad!
Sorry, misspoke. Wedding would be a joyous occasion.
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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fuscia said this in post #2 :
I voted "HELL NO!" It is tacky, and rude. People deserve the right to have closure, and these idiots are hurting people who are already in pain. |
Agreed!
There is a time to protest and this is not that time.
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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mystic said this in post #5 :
Agreed!
There is a time to protest and this is not that time. |
Isn't it sad that people are so rude nowadays that they don't get that?
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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fuscia said this in post #6 :
Isn't it sad that people are so rude nowadays that they don't get that? |
You know...it is sad!
Dont these people just get that perhaps that, for example, the fallen soldiers, believed in their cause? These soldiers joined the service, they were not drafted. I have to believe that the majority joined because they believed in what they were doing.
The last thing I think they would want is some people protesting over what these soldiers believed in at their funeral, and in front of their families.
It really pisses me off that these so-called peace loving people have no tact at all.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Unreal we have muslims killing soldiers and Christians portesting at the funeral, what a sad state of affairs.
These people are wrong they should levae the families to mourn and go protest somewhere else.
Don't know about the US but in the UK you could have them removed under breach of the peace laws, don't you have that in the US? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Aggie1978 | | Yes, we have a "disturbing the peace" law here; but it only goes into effect after the peace has been disturbed (as it probably is there). I think people would like to have something in place to prevent a disturbances like this from happening in the first place.
People over here seem to miss the point regarding rights of all individuals. One person's right to free speech does not supersede another's right to privacy, nor vice versa. If one person want to protest and exercise their right to free speech, then do so at another venue other than at a family's funeral, where the family's right to privacy exists. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | HELL NO! What a bunch of disrespectful a-holes! How could you do that? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | HECK's official devil's advocate disclaimer: As we all know, this is America, and we are granted certain unalienable rights, one of them being free speech. Even though it is unpopular speech it has to be granted.
HECK's official: take on the subject: these people should be shot. They want to get religious? If they protested a funeral of someone close to me I would unleash the wrath Khan on their asses. How f'n dare they? It's ghastly that these ignorant, self-righteous jackals dare demean the lives of these people. I hope they all suffer miserably.
-HECK! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: brochu13 | | I find it to be close minded and embarassing more than anything. I don't think it's a restriction of first amendments rights if you have the police restrain them. They are breaking up a ceremony. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: illuminate | | HELL NO!!! It's disgusting that people would actually do that at someone's funeral. You may not agree with them, but atleast have some respect for the families. Have they done anything personal to you, probably not. It's just rude and it makes me sick to my stomach that people would do that. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | I voted no and HELL NO. No matter who it is, no matter what they've done, they're dead. Shut up. The person's not listening anymore, anyway. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | well, if someone I know and like dies, I am going to protest their death.
Maybe if we get enough people, we can get their deaths revoked. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Pippin | | HELL NO! That is so tactless! What makes people who do that think that it is okay to be so disrespectful? Like Gaboman said, they are dead and can't hear or see your protests, so just shut up and leave the people at the funeral alone. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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Dekka00 said this in post #16 :
well, if someone I know and like dies, I am going to protest their death.
Maybe if we get enough people, we can get their deaths revoked. |
Yer a fregin commie!
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | There are many other laws that may be being broken aside from protesting.
First there are two factors.
1. Public Cemetery (owned by the city/county/start/federal government) which amount to mostly cemeteries for veterans.
2. Private Cemetery (owned by Churches or family's)
In the case of a Public Cemetery - It would be a violation of there rights to assemble and freedom of speech to ban them.
In the case of Private Cemetery - You do not have that same right on Private Property.
However in both cases ones rights do not allow the rights of others to be violated. Also ones rights do not allow them to break the law. Like yelling bomb on an airplane or fire in a Church.
So their right to assemble, expression and free speech, do not allow them to break such laws as disrupting a funeral, or funeral procession. disturbing the peace. disrupting a Church service, trespassing, and possibly incite to riot (depending). | | Reply To this Message
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