Iran War Games

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Iran is currently conducting WAR Games. What are your thoughts about this considering they are the main suppliers of Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon? Are Currently working toward making a Nuke and vow to destroy Isral and the U.S?

Niether Iran nor Syria have nuclear WMD. Israel and the US have stockpiles of nuclear WMD. Who's threatening who?

Although neither Israel nor the US say it, the real fear in the region is that the US and or Israel are going to attempt to destory Iran and Syria. For some bizzare reason, the hawks in Washington and Israel are convinced that military action is the way to solve the problems in the Middle East.

I've posted this in the 9/11 thread yesterday:

I guess the 6 years of Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO firing rockets and sending in suicide bombers into Israel doesn't count as aggression.

How do you negotiate with someone who wants nothing but death to Israel and the U.S. The difference between Iran with nuclear weapons and the US and Israel is the US and Israel won't use them, Iran would use them in a heartbeat if it meant the destruction of Israel.

There is nothing wrong with playing war games not illegal, not agressive and nornmally not a problem, it's good prcatice but it does not mean that you are gearing up for war.

It's normally a show of strength and to test new weapons like their new missles that go 250 miles. Do you really think they are doing it for practice??? No it's to show off what they have and what they can do.

Aren't the Nato war game usually at Cape Wrath in Scotland?

There have been a few in that area 1999 was the last one that used troops but in 2004 there were games involving only the air forces and navies of NATO I think it was bomb practice.

North Korea was firing test rockets, too. Why aren't they on the Scary Terror Watch List as of late.

Israel bought a few nuclear capable subs. Alarmed, anyone? Nah, so long they are an enemy of our enemy. Whoops, tell that to Iran... er Iraq... er Afghanistan...

-HECK!

Yeah but you don't finbs it weird that N.Korea can practically walk nukes down the streets and Bush si shall we say less vocal than he was toward Iraq and now Iran. Wonder why that is.

N.K. is a much finer line to walk. And there's the 6 party talks which I'm still not sure they came back to. Both NK and Iran are being handled about the same way (diplomatically) with the UN and other nations trying to get a handle on them. Besides I don't know if we can handle another war or two.

And why was the democratic government of Iran overthrown in 1953? The British ruled the country in the 17th century and the British were the ones who discovered OIL in Iran as early as 1908. The British occupied the country in wwI.

It was a coup that brought The Shaw Pahlawi into power which he ruled for 16 years then British, Indian and Soviet forces occupied Iran in 1941 until September of that year when the last Shah went into power.

In 1951 Mohammad Mossadegh became prime minister to nationalize the British owned oil industry. Mossadegh was briefly forced from power in 1952 but was quickly re-elected by an overwhelming majority, returned, and forced the Shah to flee. Mossadegh then declared a republic, but a few days later the Shah returned and again forced Mossadegh from office on August 19 with U.S. CIA and government support.

It wasn't a democratly elected government just a democratly elected prime minister of OIL who tried to take over the entire country.

Maybe we need to get the British Monarchy back into rule in Iran???? What'd ya say?

Let's see who supplied the most arms to Iraq.

Arms sales to Iraq 1973-1990
http://www.inreview.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=669350

Edward Teach -

The original point I was making - which you've ignored - was when was the last time Iran fired missiles at another country? When was the last time they invaded another country? You claim that Iran is the aggressive state, the most dangerous nation in the ME, but you ignore the reality of what has happened there. Why should I believe your view when it is contrary to everything that has been going on in the Gulf: the wars, US actions there. Who is the aggressor and why?

And why if Bush seeks peace and democracy would he ignore Iran's recent offers to negotiate peace? Is it because Bush's real aim is to bomb Iran and do what the US did in the 50's, once again change regime. America was the dominant force in the Gulf. Isn't it now reaserting that dominance, or more to the point, utterly failing to assert that dominance? And that is why it needs to strike Iran - because it screwed up in Iraq, and inadvertantly strenghtened Iran.

Well said, h@ts.

This phantom menace that is Iran, poster child in the spooky 'Axis Of Evil', has made no outright aggressive moves to the U.S. A proposed nuclear enrichment program is a far cry from having the bomb. North Korea has the bomb... and they're closer to us. Where is all the chest puffing against them?

The administration is laying breadcrumbs throughout the Middle East and the pigeon people over here are following it step by step. Afghanistan was a logical move, albeit delayed, which in hindsight isn't a surprise. Iraq was a leap and now Iran is going over the cliff. And for this president to actually start tying in Iran with the 9/11 hijackers is deplorable. Bush is using a blanket of fear and hoping people will dive under it and support him until the bitter end.

-HECK!

How long do you think it will take for Russia and China to become terror supporters, surrender monkeys etc etc. Hell what happens if you Yanks have another boycott of products like you did with France you will be screwed as nearly everything is made in China.

A boycott of Chinese imports won't happen any time soon, regardless. The French deal was just posturing. I mean, afterall, it's France. No biggie.

Russia is still in the thick of things. The Russia-Islamic World Strategic Vision Group condeming the U.S. speaks to that.

Personally, I could care less what Russia or China do.

-HECK!

Look why did Ahmadinajad send all those Hezbollah to Lebanon? Why is he sending them into Iraq. Why does he say he want to destory Israel and the U.S. and why say those things if he doesn't want the world to believe him. Why is he so set on enriching Uranium when he is sitting on all that oil? He doesn't need it for power. Why did he conduct war games in the middle of all of this?

The man is a nut case and do you want a nutcase to have his hands on The BOMB?

http://www.foxnews.com/images/220790/0_22_ahmadinejad_mahmoud_061406.jpg

TEHRAN, Iran — President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants negotiations on Iran's nuclear program but won't halt uranium enrichment ahead of talks, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Sunday after meeting the Iranian leader.

"On the nuclear issue, the president reaffirmed to me Iran's preparedness and commitment to hold negotiations" with Western powers to find a solution to the impasse over Tehran's nuclear activities, Annan said.


Annan, the imbecile. Now I've heard everything…

It's like negotiating with your wife. You want to watch the big game, she wants to go shopping so you negotiate and go shopping.

His version of negotiation is everyone do what he wants.

I've seen it said before "Ahmadinajad is play a game which he doesn't know the rules".

Well maybe talks and negotiations are the only thing that we can do. Consider the facts here Joe the only thing that we could snaction that might hurt Iran would be sanctions on the purchase of gas, now if you remopve Irans gas supplies it will hurt them but not hugely. Also support for sanctions will not get the go ahead we know that Russia, China, Turkey, India, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia all have deals with Russia and they won't vote for it also Russia and China may very well use the veto they have.

So keeping in mind that the US army is at full stretch and the fact that you might not get a resolution and also the fact that Isarael has not indicated it would go it alone in a war with Iran what do you suggest we do ?

Again UN deadlines and resolutions seem to mean nothing, not even to the UN.

Ok but again the facts are that resolutions won't work, Israel has expressed no desire to fight and the US does not seem to have the numbers or finanaces to fund war number 3 so what do you do?

Good question, what' s the solution?

At this point I honestly think it's time we talked. Listen to what he wants, tell him what we want and try and come to a solution. Of course there would have to be a few conditions namely:
that we are not going to be messed around any indication that we are being messed around or that he is playing for time will result in serious consquences.

That we get China and Russia to agree that these talks are the last chance for Iran and if they fail because of Iran then China and Russia will not veto any resolution.

That we have ALL major leaders and UN ambassadors at the talaks and that includes the US. Bush can't sit in the White House firing warnings while the rest of us try and solve the crisis. Right now the US stanmce on refuisng to talk to Iran is counter productive to a solution being achieved.

No talks until he stops enriching uranium.

Then you are back to where we started sanctions that won't work and nobody that has the miltary, will or cash to stop him.

Either way he will continue enriching Uranium that is something we have to accept but if we can talk and find a way to stop him enriching Uranium instead of threating him we might get somewhere. For months maybe longer we have demanded he stops enriching Uranium and has he stopped? no, will he stop if we try to talk and negotiate? maybe who knows until we talk, are talks worth a try if it stops Iran making a bomb? yes.

The fact is that Iran is at the least 7 years off making a bomb so two weeks of talks while they continue to enrich Uranium ( while still being watched for any major changes) will not make a big deal.

Well anyoine with half a brain woild know that sanctions won't be passed and with the exception of gas ( maybe) there is very little that we could sanction that would hurt him.

As for bombing Iran that is probably the least thought out comment yet. America and / or Israel with all the bad press they have got recently and the view that the ME has of these two countries making what the ME would see as the first strike on a Muslim country witout international support or a resolution. You think countries like Jordan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia will let that happen? you don't think it would increase the threat to US soldiers in Iraq?, NATO forces in Afghanistan and UN forces in Lebanon, you don't think Hizbollah will get all rowdy and start firing rockets back in to downtown Haifia and most worryingly you don't think Iran will retaliate you don't think that Irans air forces will be sent out the navy will be readied and the army including the revolutinary guard won't mobilised.

The fact remains that sanctions won't be passed and if they are they won't work. Also deapite what you think America does not have an endless resource of war money and missiles, tanks, soldiers, planes and widows pensiosns don't come cheap. Israel ahs not expressed a desire to go at this unilaterally ( can't blame them).

So what do we do?