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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5254838.stm



I researched this after watching this video. Looking for proof to prove it wrong or right.
i haven't found anything proving this video incorrect. if any one finds one proving this video incorrect, please post it

]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RxK9r4MESY&mode=related&search=]

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

check these pics out.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

another
man holding clean toys that ended up in picture on reuters.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

one more.
putting toys back into bag.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

here's the wedding dress and part of the reuters story on yahoo! news.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...r2433009529.jpg

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

here's the micky mouse under yahoo!news.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...r3577351291.jpg


damn mouse is brand new! no dirt on it what so ever.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

here's a nice clean bear that "A toy lies among the wreckage of a demolished building in the Hizbollah stronghold that was targeted by Israeli air strikes in southern Beirut July 26, 2006. REUTERS/Sharif Karim(LEBANON)"
from rueters jul 26 2006

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...r1891896384.jpg


this was the kicker for me - the bear would have been much more dirty and have a rip here or there if a building fell on it after being hit by a bomb. its also on top of the building rather then the building on it.


i thought the aish video was kind of weird but it seems that it is completely correct.
.....
and everyone says reuters is such a fine news agency. I think my view of them has changed, as i agreed that they did a good job, until about 5 months ago i started seeing bias showing up like cnn and fox.


One last one. this toy looks like its posing for the camera. placed carefully on top damaged area.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...r1375024449.jpg

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Posted by: Edward Teach

No doubt that the enemy is winning the propaganda war!

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

for certain

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Posted by: Whidden

Dude probably believes he is doing a service. It's true kids died in the bombings, but he is trying to stage a fake picture, (well, partly fake, part real) to prove some point.

Doesn't do his job very well at all. Good deal that he was fired. If you are going to be in Journalism, you have to put your personal politics aside, and report what really happened, not present a staged fiction that helps prove your point.

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Posted by: gaboman

You know, technically I should be moved by those photos (if I was under the impression they were real), but they just seem laughable. A perfectly clean mickey mouse doll coming out of the rubble? Hmm...

I agree with Whidden, a lot of bad stuff is happening but you can't go fixing things just to make a buck.

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Posted by: The Writer

Funny though that such photos are never taken at Israel bomb sites which have killed lots of kids, same way for the bombings in Iraq. The western media seems uninterested in exposing the brutal results of Islamic jihad. In fact the joint chiefs protested even cartoons showing injured US servicemen.

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Posted by: h@ts

Do you guys think this is better worse or the same as the stuff Fox news produces?

Fox backed some ludicrous report about the recent find of WMD in Iraq, and now 50% of Americans believe the old defunct ordnance littered around Iraq from the Iran/Iraq war was the stuff US went to war for. Just like the photographs above, it's propoganda, lies, brainwashing.

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Posted by: Edward Teach

Are you trying to say that everyone should ignore it? All FOX did was to report the find. You know free press and all.

You just can't discard all of Saddams history and his history with the UNSC resolutions then say it's irrelevant.

So which is wose, making up stuff (fiction)
or reporting the truth (facts)

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Posted by: HECK!

FOX is Liberal Media though. Don't trust it

-HECK!

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Posted by: h@ts

quote:
Edward Teach said this in post #14 :
So which is wose, making up stuff (fiction)
or reporting the truth (facts)


Fox know that the WMD found scattered around Iraq was old disussed ordnance left over from the first Gulf war. 50% of Americans now believe that it was the stockpiles America went to war for. Don't pretend that Fox actually care about informing the US public. That story was and still if backed by Fox, and it's pure propoganda, lies, brainwashing. But is it better worse or the same as the photos above.
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Posted by: fruit

Just been reading an article in the 'Independent' magazine about how England tried to convince the American public to back them in the 2nd world war by sending spies to the US to create anti Nazi news stories. (80 percent of the US population were against joining the war at the time)

Apparantly it worked very well and propaganda war has been with us in increasing complexity ever since. These pictures seem to be a poor effort at propaganda, but should set the alarm bells ringing for the propaganda stories we have missed.

Incidentally, the vast majority of the UK population were against joining the US in the Iraq war......but we did !

I guess that we have proffesional propaganda, instigated by the military and amateur propaganda designed to further reporters careers.

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Posted by: h@ts

Didn't the US join the war after they were attacked by the Japans at Pearl Harbour? Saying that, I'm not surprised the American public were against sending troops to Europe - we were constantly fighting and starting wars all over the place.

From stuff I've read, the British were masters at war propaganda and the word didn't have the negative connotation it does today. So admired was the British propaganda model that the Germans copied it during WWII. I don't know when the term went out of favour but I suspect it was the Vietnam war and US propaganda failed to get public backing because there was little to no control over the media (unlike today).

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fruit: Incidentally, the vast majority of the UK population were against joining the US in the Iraq war......but we did !


And that's thanks to the US ambassador to Britain - Tony Blair.
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Posted by: Edward Teach

FOX isn't liberal they're more right moderate.

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Posted by: Edward Teach

Or Moderate Conservative if you will

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Posted by: EUCLID

quote:
h@ts said this in post #16 :


Fox know that the WMD found scattered around Iraq was old disussed ordnance left over from the first Gulf war. 50% of Americans now believe that it was the stockpiles America went to war for.


I think you are exaggerating on both counts. I don't think Fox or any other news gave the impression that these 500 shells completely comprise the WMD we went to war over. If any Americans believe that, I'll bet the number is under 1%, not 50%.

However, these are not the tired, old, obsolete, impotent, non-lethal, non- workable, non-usable, completely degraged, irrelevant ordinance scattered around the country that you would like people to believe either.

To be sure, they are part of the WMD that we went to war for. A small part, but a part nevertheless.
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Posted by: h@ts

quote:
EUCLID said this in post #21 :
To be sure, they are part of the WMD that we went to war for. A small part, but a part nevertheless.


They are NOT part, never were part, and never will be part of the WMD that Bush attacked Iraq for. Which means you are one of the 50% of American who is deluding themselves.

Bringing it back to the topic at hand, it's clear that Fox propoganda worked on many Americans very well (including you EUCLID). So is the fact that a large percentage of Americans are easily misled by blatant propoganda, worse than, better or the same as the original propoganda photographs that started this thread?

quote:
50% of Americans polled falsely believe in Iraq WMDs

Charles J. Hanley
Associated Press
Aug. 8, 2006 12:00 AM

Do you believe in Iraqi WMDs?

Did Saddam Hussein's government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003?

Half of America apparently still thinks so, a new poll says, and experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office, a surprise headline here or there, a rallying round a partisan flag, and a growing need for people, in their own minds, to justify the war in Iraq.

People tend to become "independent of reality" in these circumstances, opinion analyst Steven Kull says.

...50 percent of U.S. respondents, up from 36 percent last year, said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003

"This finding just has to cause despair among those of us who hope for an informed public able to draw reasonable conclusions based on evidence," Massing said.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...ingwmd0808.html
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Posted by: EUCLID

quote:
h@ts said this in post #22 :


They are NOT part, never were part, and never will be part of the WMD that Bush attacked Iraq for. Which means you are one of the 50% of American who is deluding themselves.

Bringing it back to the topic at hand, it's clear that Fox propoganda worked on many Americans very well (including you EUCLID). So is the fact that a large percentage of Americans are easily misled by blatant propoganda, worse than, better or the same as the original propoganda photographs that started this thread?



Facts are stubborn things, and they don't go away by saying they don't exist. What I heard on Fox is exactly what I heard on CBS, ABC, NBC, and others. I think you should read more clearly what I said. I did not say the 500 shells constituted the entirety of the WMD that was cited as one of the main reasons we went to war.

In my mind, the most significance of the find of 500 chemical shells is that they serve to illustrate the propaganda of the anti war left as they attempt the breathtaking feat of talking facts out of existence in order to defend their position that Bush lied, people died.
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Posted by: lodgebo

Well if that is the case why did Bush and Blair not make a big deal out of it? after they gambled thier political carrers and reputations on WMD's they had been called liars and worse by some mebers of the public and they had been threatend with impeachment and what you are saying is they found the "smoking gun" and said nothing.

These shells were defuct over 10 years old and would be suprised if the Iraqi's knew they were there. Apart from nukes most WMd's don't have shelf life over 10 years so these were probably harmless.

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Posted by: EUCLID

quote:
lodgebo said this in post #24 :
Well if that is the case why did Bush and Blair not make a big deal out of it? after they gambled thier political carrers and reputations on WMD's they had been called liars and worse by some mebers of the public and they had been threatend with impeachment and what you are saying is they found the "smoking gun" and said nothing.

These shells were defuct over 10 years old and would be suprised if the Iraqi's knew they were there. Apart from nukes most WMd's don't have shelf life over 10 years so these were probably harmless.


Bush and Blair are not making a big deal out of it because it is not a big deal. I never said it was. I never said it was a smoking gun. Bush and Blair got rolled by the intial controversy, and now that the pain of that has subsided, they don't want to go near it again no matter what is found.

However, your assumption that the weapons are probably harmless conflicts with all the news that I heard. Some might be harmless. Some can not be detonated. Some are proably unstable. But all the news I heard acknowledged that many of the weapons are as lethal as they ever were.

The only ones making a big deal out of it are the anti-war left who have staked their position on their assertion that ZERO wmd existed when we went into Iraq, and ZERO cannot include 500 chemical shells. So they have to make a big deal to erase that one little fact.
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Posted by: h@ts

The point of the opening post was to show that anti-Israeli, pro-Hezbollah propanda, is being used in Lebanon by a photographer trying to dupe Reuters. The point I'm making is that propoganda is being used by both sides.

The propoganda from Fox news, a multinational corporation, on friendly terms with Bush, was very successful in convincing over 50% of Americans (and EUCLID) that the WMD the US went to war for have been found.

I wondered what people thought of the comparison? Is all propoganda wrong?

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Posted by: HECK!

quote:
h@ts said this in post #26 :
I wondered what people thought of the comparison? Is all propoganda wrong?


Interesting question...

http://www.neatorama.com/images/2005-12/propaganda.jpg

http://www.learner.org/biographyofamerica/prog23/feature/images/23_1_poster.jpg

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/3014YouBackAttack.jpg

http://www.teacheroz.com/images/homes.gif

http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/upload/2006/05/mission-accomplished.jpg

-HECK!
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Posted by: HECK!

quote:
Edward Teach said this in post #19 :
FOX isn't liberal they're more right moderate.


Right moderate?

Any more right wing they would broadcast from inside Dubya's ***.

-HECK!
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Posted by: Edward Teach

As I have said in the past it's a matter of perspective, most conservatives view FOX as moderate leaning to the right. They have a mixture of Liberals, Conservatives and Independents. Sure they have more conservatives but they also have liberals.

Far Left Liberals will view FOX as so far right it's pathetic because anything that doesn't fit the far left agenda would be considered far right Conservative.

It's just more proof that the Democratic party has been hijacked by the Far Left.

There was a time when I could have been a Democrat and in fact considered registering as a Democrat. I almost voted for Clinton and at the beginning of the 2000 election campaign thought about voteing for Gore. That was until Gore came out of his closet and went far left. Poor man listened to his far left advisors and lost the election.

I see in the future a split in the Democratic party by the Far Left and the Moderates.

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Posted by: HECK!

Let me ask: do you actually watch FOX News? I've sat through a broadcast or two and their far right conservative stance is strikingly apparent to anyone with an objective eye. The mixture is about 95% Conservative, 4% Liberal and 1% Independent. With an error of about 5%.

Just because Alan Combs is on the station doesn't mean it's liberal friendly. Hannity rips him a new one on a daily basis while Combs sits there like an idiot and becomes some sadistic poster-boy for FOX's right wing agenda. I'm surprised Hannity doesn't sit Combs on his lap and start a ventriloquist act.

The quartet of morons during FOX & Friends sit there for an hour and just rip democrats and scoff to one another like old British women at a tea party.

As for Bill O'Reily... Please.

Dems hijacked by the far left? Is that what the "no spin zone" is offering these days? Blameless is the Manchurian Candidate, I suppose.

-HECK!

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Posted by: Whidden

quote:
HECK! said this in post #30 :
Let me ask: do you actually watch FOX News? I've sat through a broadcast or two and their far right conservative stance is strikingly apparent to anyone with an objective eye. The mixture is about 95% Conservative, 4% Liberal and 1% Independent. With an error of about 5%.




I think I agree with you, it's skewed to the right. That's why I like it so much.
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Posted by: HECK!

We're like the original Odd Couple.

Sometimes watching FOX News is like an info-mercial. Like that buff dude with the long hair and hat selling an ab-cruncher is O'Reily, Chuck Norris selling his home gym is Sean Hannity, and Ms. Cleo is Greta Van Fuggly. All hocking their worthless poop to the masses.

The Daily Show, that's where I get MY news

-HECK!

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Posted by: Whidden

Well, you can imagine how painful it was for me growing up. A conservative, with nothing to watch but CNN and the Major 3 networks. Nothing but Liberal coming out of that! Very frustrating.


Now that Fox News has come along, I can get my news with a conservative slant, which I enjoy. I know it's biased towards the right, but I don't really buy into this notion that news HAS to be unbiased. Just as long as the facts are presented.

Actually, if a person was a paragon of "truth", they would watch both, and glean the "real" news out of what they were presented.

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Posted by: lodgebo

You know it's funny that Rupert Murdoch owns FOx and that leans to the right yet in the UK he owns SKY and I don't think it leans to the right it seems to give David Cameron and Tony Blair a 50 / 50 split. The thing I find funny about FOX news is how they always stree they are impartial and fair Iguess the idea is if they say it enough they will belive it.

As for O'Reilly he once made the most outrageous statement I have heard in my life I gave up on him after that.

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Posted by: Whidden

What did he say?

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Posted by: lodgebo

According to old bill he was visiting London and was in London the week of the terror attacks. Now what he said was that all the BBC was talking about was US bashing and how the Iraq war was going so badly. Now that was total BS because in that week London bid for and won the olympics, there were the terror attacks and the G8 summit in Scotland where the main issue was Africa and the live aid concerts in the UK were being announced so as you can see we had a little bit more to talk about than the US and Iraq. It was just typical Euro bashing from Bill who I thought would have had more sense.

Actually though I do rember one thing we laughed at was on the 6th of July when Bush fell off his bike and broke a security guards shoulder.

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Posted by: Whidden

Well, hard for me to admit, that while I do love Fox News, I loathe Bill O'Rielly. Big old wind bag of hot air. Can't stand watching him.


I will watch his show if I am extreemly bored, but it's mostly his bogus wit, and him "debating" those less gifted with verbal skills than himself. I might agree with some of his politics, but the man himself is a total dweeber. And a smug bastard to boot.


I dig Brit Hulme and Shephard Smith though.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

quote:
h@ts said this in post #13 :
Do you guys think this is better worse or the same as the stuff Fox news produces?

Fox backed some ludicrous report about the recent find of WMD in Iraq, and now 50% of Americans believe the old defunct ordnance littered around Iraq from the Iran/Iraq war was the stuff US went to war for. Just like the photographs above, it's propoganda, lies, brainwashing.


I think fox is retarded, much like the bbc.
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