U.S. & France Will Call For a Cease-fire

Israel & Palestine Forum

I just heard the news that the U.S. and France have agreed to call for a cease-fire between Israel and Hezbollah. Do the leaders of France and the U.S. expect the fighting to end when they announce that they are calling for a cease-fire? If not, why are they doing it?

Right now, the world knows that the U.S. and France want a cease-fire because they have told us that they intend to call for one. What changes when they actually call for it?

we bomb Israel and Hezbollah-land... duh.

There is a problem with this soon to be resolution and it is in the wording. France wanted "an immeditae stop to hostilities by both sides" wheras the USA wanted and got "Hizbollah to recoginise an immediate ceasfire and Israel to stop all offensive action in Lebanon" now here is the poroblem Israel can agree to this resolution and still bomb the hell out of Lebanon why? simple because they claim there actions are not offensive but defensive.

I don't think Bush wants or is happy to Lebanon destroyed but I do think he carries the same ignorant view that many people have that Hizbollah can and will be destroyed and as a result he is unwilling to reel Israel in because he thinks any day now Hizbollah will give up.

That article is Bull Butter.


It would be in our interest to drop Israel and support the Arabs. Solidify a relationship, and beef up our oil supply. What the world does not understand, (as it's grabbed onto this idea that we put OIL above everything first) is that the U.S. is full of:


1. Jews. More Jews live over here, than in Israel.

and

2. The Christian factor.

Most Christians, (the non Jew hating type like Mel Gibson) see the Jews as the "mother" of our religion. And fully believe the Old Testament Prophecy's about loving Israel and being Blessed.




The Bible says, that in the end times, ALL nations will be gathered together against Israel. Well, that hasn't happened yet. The U.S. and Britain still stand with her. Someday perhaps, that will turn, and then the end will come. (if you believe in that sort of thing).


But even apart from the Bible, if you think it's all hogwash, the attitudes and beliefs of a lot of Americans, BOGUS or not, support the idea that helping and defending Israel supersedes the oil and gas crisis.

So that article is BENT. If we wanted oil, we would drop Israel and brown nose the Arabs, it would be only logical. The idea that some ARAB superstate would not sell us oil is stupid as well. They want to sell the oil, we want to buy it. Simple as that.

There will never be a permanent ceasefire. Hezbollah will break the ceasefire and attack again and Israel will retaliate. Terrorists are like weeds; one cannot keep them down for long. And when they crop up, one has to pluck them out. That reminds me, I have some gardening to attend to…

Let's be honets here the reason all US presidents offer unwavering support for Israel and anything they do is not about helping them or any other romatic notion Americans have about the relationship between the two. It is votes plain and simple you said it yourself Whidden in your first point more Jews in the US than anywhere else. That is why the US is so close to Israel you can't become US president if you don't secure a vast majority of the Jewish vote.

It's the exact same reason why Reagan and Bush snr did not nothing about the IRA funding in the 80's and 90's because then you did want to lose the Irish vote.

You make out you only want to help Israel and there is nothing in for you. did I miss something did Israel win some kind of weird lottery all those years ago that guarnteed US support? There are hundred of countries in Africa, E. Europe, Pacific Rim region and S. America that would love the kind of support that Israel gets form the US after all they would get the cut price weapons, nuclear technology, military training, economic assistance, guarnteed immunity from international condemnation, and of course trade. Of course none of these countries members can guarntee somebody leadership of the US so they will just have to struggle by until Bono and Bob Geldof come along and help. Oh well thems the breaks I guess.

Yeah, who knows what the Presidents and Congressmen over the years really think, deep down inside. Maybe it is the votes.


But in the past, and now, the majority of Americans support Isreal because of the two reasons I explained. They won "the lottery" by being the main nation chosen by God in the Bible. (I.E., most Christians see them as the mother nation of our religion)

and the fact that the U.S. has alot of Jews. More so than any other nation. (though still a minority) Maybe Russia has more, I dunno.





As for what the U.S. did to Iran with the Shaw, who cares, I was 6 years old or whatever, I could give a flip.

It doesn't make sense to say it's the vote because there is only just over 5 million Jews in the US, whereas there's 37.5 million Black or African American, 41 million Hispanic or Latino. The vast majority must be white and non-Jewish. 34 million of Irish decent.

There is a lot of popular support for Israel in the US, and in a democracy leaders are supposed to carry out the will of the people, and so the US government supports Israel.

The popular support for Israel is mostly because 70% of Americans are Christian. Not for oil.

Does Israel even have that much oil?

it's weird that Europeans have a hard time grasping why American Christians support Israel.

I'm an American Christian, and I have someone telling me that American Christians don't support Israel.

BTW - wars are expensive and if the rich are getting out of doing any of the fighting and dying then the least they can do is cough up the dollars and pay for it!

I apoligise condemantion was not the right word maybe I should use justice. There have been many many draft UN resolutions condemming the action of Israel in regard to land capture, taking of prisoners and military action. These resolutions have nbeen drawn up by countries including Frnace, Arab nations, Russia, the UK and other EU nations in all cases the UN used it's veto and in a majority of cases never looked at the resolution or the evidence to support the resolution this is the way it has was and ever will be in regard to the US and Israel, so how they can be punished or offically condemmed when the Us will not even entertain the fact of backing any condemantion is beyond me. It is the reason why the US never tried to change the Un rules after the WMD thing, they knew that loing thier veto wpould mena that Israel may have to answer some akward questions and the US would no doubt be dragged in due to the relationship the two have.

The US has only ever passed one resolutions that says Isreal must leve the Golan hights yet they stay why? well back to the USA. The reolution demande Israel's withdrawel they did not want that so they US made the withdrawel optional. They are still there and wont leave thanks to AMerica.

As for Darfur well helping a legit army would be a start, helping the people, getting financial help in there and bascially stop pretending it is not happening would be start. But Darfur is only one of many if Israel cannot stand on it's own two feet without the US mollycoddling it then what chance has it got. The US needs to loosen the International apron strings in regard to Israel.

here's the problem:

any "roadmap to peace" that is laid out for Israel/Palestine fails.

1) Milatant groups reject, because they don't want peace, they want (and I quote) "Israel wiped off the map."

2) When stiff-necked, stubborn Israel finally tries to follow said roadmaps (ceasefires, withdrawing from occupied territories) the militant groups do not hold up their end of the bargain. They begin firing back into Israel.

Notice how Israel and Egypt have been at relative peace. That's because Egypt actually held up their end of the deal when Israel withdrew from Sinai. Maybe if Hamas and Hezbollah tried that, they could move forward.

Until then... there will be bloodshed.

The people and groups benefiting from our inability to bring peace to the region, on top of starting the most ridiculously stupid wars all over the place, are Islamic militant groups hell bent on dividing Muslims and non-Muslims. It's 5 years since 9/11 and you tell me who's succeeding, because as far as I can see all we've done is help them? Today Britain on it's highest terrorist alert status, critical - meaning an attack is imminent - and British airports are in chaos. Again, just like 7/7 this is British born Muslims who want to kill, who just a few years ago would not have had such views.

A ten year truce is like a mortgage with a ten year balloon, but with the amount unspecified and subject to the desire of the mortgage holder.

If I was trying to make peace with an enemy who offered a ten year truce, I would assume that what I was offering to give up for the truce was not enough to settle the dispute, and I would not know how much would be enough. I would consider the offer to be cynical and insincere, and would reject it out of hand. But even insincere offers and out of hand rejections are part of negotiating.