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Posted by: P.O.T.U.S.

Stop Demonizing of Israel For Merely Defending Itself
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER


What other country, when attacked in an unprovoked aggression across a recognized international frontier, is then put on a countdown clock by the world, given a limited time window in which to fight back, regardless of whether it has restored its own security?

What other country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities — every one designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians — and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy's infrastructure and strongholds with precision-guided munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?

Hearing the world pass judgment on the Israel-Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe. With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world — governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats — has completely lost its moral bearings.

The word that obviates all thinking and magically inverts victim into aggressor is "disproportionate," as in the universally decried "disproportionate Israeli response."

When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel "proportionate" attack on a Japanese naval base. It launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a cinder, and turned the Japanese home islands to rubble and ruin.

Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right — legal and moral — to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one's security again. That's what it took with Japan.

Britain was never invaded by Germany in World War II. Did it respond to the blitz and V-1 and V-2 rockets with "proportionate" aerial bombardment of Germany? Of course not. Churchill orchestrated the greatest land invasion in history that flattened and utterly destroyed Germany, killing untold innocent German women and children in the process.

The perversity of today's international outcry lies in the fact that there is indeed a disproportion in this war, a radical moral asymmetry between Hezbollah and Israel: Hezbollah is deliberately trying to create civilian casualties on both sides while Israel is deliberately trying to minimize civilian casualties, also on both sides.

In perhaps the most blatant terror campaign from the air since the London blitz, Hezbollah is raining rockets on Israeli cities and villages. These rockets are packed with ball bearings that can penetrate automobiles and shred human flesh. They are meant to kill and maim. And they do.

But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die in order for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die in order for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime. It is also a Hezbollah specialty.

On Wednesday, CNN cameras showed destruction in Tyre. What does Israel have against Tyre and its inhabitants? Nothing. But the long-range Hezbollah rockets that have been raining terror on Haifa are based in Tyre. What is Israel to do? Leave untouched the launch sites that are deliberately placed in built-up areas?

Had Israel wanted to destroy Lebanese civilian infrastructure, it would have turned out the lights in Beirut in the first hour of the war, destroying the billion-dollar power grid and setting back Lebanon 20 years. It did not do that. Instead, it attacked dual-use infrastructure — bridges, roads, airport runways — and blockaded Lebanon's ports to prevent the reinforcement and resupply of Hezbollah. Ten-thousand Katyusha rockets are enough. Israel was not going to allow Hezbollah 10,000 more.

Israel's response to Hezbollah has been to use the most precise weaponry and targeting it can. It has no interest, no desire to kill Lebanese civilians. Does anyone imagine that it could not have leveled south Lebanon, to say nothing of Beirut? Instead, in the bitter fight against Hezbollah in south Lebanon, it has repeatedly dropped leaflets, issued warnings, sent messages by radio and even phone text to Lebanese villagers to evacuate so that they would not be harmed.

Israel knows that these leaflets and warnings give the Hezbollah fighters time to escape and regroup. The advance notification as to where the next attack is coming has allowed Hezbollah to set up elaborate ambushes. The result? Unexpectedly high Israeli infantry casualties. Moral scrupulousness paid in blood. Israeli soldiers die so that Lebanese civilians will not, and who does the international community condemn for disregarding civilian life?

Krauthammer is a Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist based in Washington, D.C. (letters@charleskrauthammer.com)

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Posted by: HECK!

This piece of work advocated a combination of realist and neoconservative foreign policy stances as the best way to defend American interests and spread democracy. It's that kind of rootin' tootin' cowboy diplomacy that egghead republicans are wrapping their minds around.

And of course he's going to write about Israel... the man, aside from being Jewish, has been on the subject for years supporting right-wing Israeli groups.

I blame myself for losing precious seconds reading it.

-HECK!

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Posted by: lodgebo

Shows the stupidity of the man that he talsk about the destruction of Tyre and then goes on to say Israel is using precsion weapons, if he had any sens or doen any research he would know that prescion weapons don't destroy cities unless the user is incompotent.

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Posted by: P.O.T.U.S.

Israel: Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Par for the course.

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Posted by: Whidden

I like KRAUTHAMMER, I watch him on Fox news almost every night. Well spoken gentleman.

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Posted by: Ireland

Israel has done enough to ensure its appropriate for them to be demonised. There is a falsehood out there that Israel by default are an innocent nation. By this default, all action against Israel can therefore be viewed as unwarranted.
However, when you occupy your neighbours territory, humiliate them, destroy innocent people's homes to build settlements for Israelis that further eat up into their neighbours land, build up your military that predominantly includes US weaponary, nuclear, chemical and biological weaponary, while condeming other nations for sending guns and rockets to resistance groups, drop bombs on shelters protecting children, bring humanitarian disaster to nations (plural) while blaming the nations themselves for their suffering at your hand....then you deserve to be demonised at the very least.
Israel is a terrorist state. Israel deserves to be dragged through every court on this planet to answer for the suffering it has brought innocent people, innocent people who cannot sufficiently defend themselves. If retaliation has become dirty, it is only because Israel leaves no other option open. What indeed suffices to an Israeli as legitimate resistance against foreign occupation? This is a question that deserves answers, because the west tends to think that neighbouring arab countries should simply allow Israel to destroy them altogether. All the while Israel suffers from an impending doom complex it plays against the guilt ridden west. Yet it is they who do the very most of the destroying in the first place.
And your actions have created the enemies you fear so expressively. Today you create tomorrows "terrorist". Yet you disregard the root cause of your problems because you cannot take responsibility for them. That you yourself could be at fault for the need for resistance at all flies by comprehension and merely lands on the laps of the innocent who collectively suffer for YOUR WAR. Lebanon has every right to defend itself. Moreso than Israel for Lebanon does not occupy parts of Israel. It does not stretch its borders into foreign land. Israel does. This notion that this crisis is about Israel retaining the right to defend itself flies in the face of the ongoing occupied, who have yet to be recognised the right to defend themselves from foreign occupation. Yet it is ok for the occupier to defend itself by further destroying the occupied. I do not see any justice or righteousness in that, for that is sick. And those who support such hypocritcal inhumanity deserve nothing but contempt. Israel is no victim.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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P.O.T.U.S. said this in post #1 :
Stop Demonizing of Israel For Merely Defending Itself
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER







No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right — legal and moral — to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one's security again.
But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die in order for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die in order for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime. It is also a Hezbollah specialty.

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All of this is true. Same thing i've been saying for years. Sadly, all we americans normally see is what Israel has done and almost never what arabs have done. the Arab states and countries have been attacking and attempting to destroy Israel for nearly 50 years or more. You really think anything Israel does except to disappear will really lead to peace? It is not wise to believe so. The U.N. will not convince either. The Arab wants Israels land, Israel wants to be left alone, palestinians want israel lands, Israel with draws from some, gets attacked so goes back in, withdraws, gets attacked goes back in - see a pattern here?
Arabs started the war several days after Britain left Israel after WWII and they still want the war to continue. Never will it finish.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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lodgebo said this in post #3 :
Shows the stupidity of the man that he talsk about the destruction of Tyre and then goes on to say Israel is using precsion weapons, if he had any sens or doen any research he would know that prescion weapons don't destroy cities unless the user is incompotent.



They are called precision but only to a certain point - ours are not any better because they are using many U.S. weapons.
Besides, when a building explodes next to another building, both are usually destroyed.

You speak of stupidity, you need to use a competent spell checker.
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Posted by: P.O.T.U.S.

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Dreamzwalker said this in post #8 :



They are called precision but only to a certain point - ours are not any better because they are using many U.S. weapons.
Besides, when a building explodes next to another building, both are usually destroyed.

You speak of stupidity, you need to use a competent spell checker.



To those who hate Israel and America—and know nothing about warfare—precision denotes airmailing a 500-pound bomb and taking out a fat Hezbollah pasha sleeping in his bed, while his wife next to him merely rolls over, hardly bothered by the thunder of what she deems to be her jihadist-hubby's usual "flatulance" from four helpings of her Tabbouleh Libanaise.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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P.O.T.U.S. said this in post #9 :



To those who hate Israel and America—and know nothing about warfare—precision denotes airmailing a 500-pound bomb and taking out a fat Hezbollah pasha sleeping in his bed, while his wife next to him merely rolls over, hardly bothered by the thunder of what she deems to be her jihadist-hubby's usual "flatulance" from four helpings of her Tabbouleh Libanaise.




Wouldn't that be something.
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Posted by: lodgebo

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Dreamzwalker said this in post #8 :



They are called precision but only to a certain point - ours are not any better because they are using many U.S. weapons.
Besides, when a building explodes next to another building, both are usually destroyed.

The bombs are 90% accurate and I know the cause minimal dmage to the surronding area and I know they are using US weapons because the US was transporting these weapons illegally through UK airpports on Saturday. They used civllian airports, denied or refused to show thier cargo or documents and used civillian planes not military planes . In fact they are still using the UK but now have to use RAF bases because the FAO and SE and BAA have banned them from landing on civillian bases as thier actions have been seen to be illegal and putting the public at threat but what else would you expect.

You speak of stupidity, you need to use a competent spell checker.


NO my spelling skills have been attacked what ever shall I do, oh the shame of it all my family name has been ruined by my ability to not spell a few words properly on inreview Oh man what am i going to do now maybe I should just crawl in a hole and die no wait I won't die I will just stay in the hole and schools can bring children to see me and warn them that if they don't spell correctly this is what will become of them but maybe it's not to late for me maybe I can quit the old job and go back to school and learn to spell properly or maybe it is to late I guess I will have to get a boat and set sail to an old Leper island and live my days out there I won't be so lonely I mena we can include all the others who can't spell properly, those who can't go past thier 8 times tables and of course that kid that got L and M messed up on his Alphabet test he deserves it the idiot.

Or maybe I just won't be so far up my own ass that I will judge a persons intelligence on his spelling.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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lodgebo said this in post #11 :




Or maybe I just won't be so far up my own ass that I will judge a persons intelligence on his spelling.


You prove your up your own ass by your response since you can't take a little joke with out typing a paragraph of some of the most retardedly asinine garbage i have seen in many a year. hmm, think the last time i saw something this funny was - oh yeah, last time i was on here a few back Your reaction becomes that there of.
If you can't take a joke, don't bother responding if your doing nothing but ignoramic phrases not worth reading.
Of course - you've never been able to understand a joke from me and you've always flipped out ever since you joined when i say something. Which makes it worth reading-

You've never understood what i said so i don't know why i type now, except that i think its funny how you think each and every word i say is a direct attack towards your pure always correct, never wrong, never lying self centered pride

Must be a newage scots thing because its not a part of my family, which came over from scotland.


Yes i know your sarc, im just pushing buttons
Its so damn funny how worked up you get - i'm gonna do it again, soon very soon, just so i can read more ranting nonsense and make my side hurt from laughing. Perhaps you should go back to school - so you can fight with the little kids that you act like woot

Everyone in Scotland now a days take a joke like you? If that's the case, i'm not visiting my cousin over there - she may try to beat me up if she reacts like YOU. And i'd hate the hit a girl



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lodgebo said this in post #11 :


The bombs are 90% accurate and I know the cause minimal dmage to the surronding area.

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I know they say that percent but its a little off lmao.
hmmm how do it know that? I have friends that have used them, over in iraq - sometimes they are 90%, sometimes they are 50% - things can and do cause interference.

Now, that is weird that the U.S. would bring them over like that. Because what you are stating has nothing to do with Israel using U.S. weapons - they have U.S. missiles over there that we gave them years ago, and last year, and the year before that. Where do you think U.S. drones came from? They were made and designed by Israel- Link to what your stating - because i'm finding it no where. Now, i did find some information about a Brit smuggling a surface to air missile into the U.S. or trying to -
Found this too - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3381553.stm


Found this too - from an Arab site so some of it is questionable

**there has been much discussion concerning the use of (US) cluster bombs, bunker-busting bombs and chemical weapons – all illegal - presently being used in Lebanon. Some have also said illegal bombs are also being used in Palestine.**

There was more questionable information on this site - they claimed something about Israel's troups eating dead Arab babies like candy bars lmao And that's not all hahaaha
All they do is lie to their people and i thought our media was bad rotf - that's okay, Arab text books also claim that america and uk eat their own babies. More Arab lies. typical. And expected.

Cluster bombs, bunker-busters are not illegal, like they claim here - and i doubt there is authenticity to the statement of chemical weapons as only Arab sites claim they are used thus far.

Nothing on the scottsman.com either.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

Now, if anyone has a link to a good site about chemical weapons with more then conjecture - link it.

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

The following is something else, not related to the current crisis - i just liked the comment about the bio degree.

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It claimed that the corpses in the pictures it ran "showed strange injuries, some burnt to the bone, others with skin hanging from their flesh ... The faces have literally melted away, just like other parts of the body. The clothes are strangely intact." These assertions were supported by a human-rights advocate who, it said, possessed "a biology degree

, too, possess a biology degree, and I am as well qualified to determine someone's cause of death as I am to perform open-heart surgery. So I asked Chris Milroy, professor of forensic pathology at the University of Sheffield, to watch the film. He reported that "nothing indicates to me that the bodies have been burnt". They had turned black and lost their skin "through decomposition". We don't yet know how these people died.


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Let us take this sentence:
These assertions were supported by a human-rights advocate who, it said, possessed "a biology degree

Me too. or at least i will have - and just by looking at something like that, even with a biology degree - you would not be able to tell what caused that

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Posted by: lodgebo

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Dreamzwalker said this in post #12 :


Yes i know your sarc, im just pushing buttons
Its so damn funny how worked up you get - i'm gonna do it again, soon very soon, just so i can read more ranting nonsense and make my side hurt from laughing. Perhaps you should go back to school - so you can fight with the little kids that you act like woot

I wasn't angry just trying to be funny but if misinterpret that well ain't to much I can do. See I was not bothred about the spelling thing because people have been getting on my back for yers about it and it has never bothred me. I do find it funny though that througha computer thousands of miles away you detect my mood.

Everyone in Scotland now a days take a joke like you? If that's the case, i'm not visiting my cousin over there - she may try to beat me up if she reacts like YOU. And i'd hate the hit a girl


Don't think Scotland or your own family will be lost without your visit.


I know they say that percent but its a little off lmao.
hmmm how do it know that? I have friends that have used them, over in iraq - sometimes they are 90%, sometimes they are 50% - things can and do cause interference.

LGB's have systems that stop them getting interferd and the Pathfinders have been modified MK3 now I belive so that they can't be dragged off course. Admittiedlky if the weather is bad then it is dificult to lock on to the designator so inevitably the missile will go off course with othing to lock on to. Still would not knock out a whole city mind.

Now, that is weird that the U.S. would bring them over like that. Because what you are stating has nothing to do with Israel using U.S. weapons - they have U.S. missiles over there that we gave them years ago, and last year, and the year before that. Where do you think U.S. drones came from? They were made and designed by Israel- Link to what your stating - because i'm finding it no where. Now, i did find some information about a Brit smuggling a surface to air missile into the U.S. or trying to -

I assume you are talking about the bomb flights to ISarel well I found a few links for you to read over and try to bring you up to date with what has happend.

bomb flights 1

bomb
flights 2


bomb flights 3




Cluster bombs, bunker-busters are not illegal, like they claim here - and i doubt there is authenticity to the statement of chemical weapons as only Arab sites claim they are used thus far.

Woah I never said that the bombs were illegal I said that tranbsporting bombs through a civlian airport is illegal also highly dangerous and rather stupid if you think about it.

I also said that denying what was in your cargo is illegal also hypocritical do you thinkn a foreign plane in a US airport could get away with what the US did at Prestwick?

Nothing on the scottsman.com either.


Funny I got a link from the Scotsman no problem. Maybe if you just used the one T you might have better luck .
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Posted by: P.O.T.U.S.

Iranian President calls for destruction of Israel. Ahmadinejad says destroying Israel will resolve the problems in the Middle East. More Demonizing of Israel: Nothing New.

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Posted by: HECK!

Enemies of Israel want their destruction, true, that is nothing new.

It's one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...


-HECK!

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Posted by: Whidden

Israel needs some Iocane Poison.

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Posted by: P.O.T.U.S.

France breaks with U.S. and joins with Arab states demanding Israel leave Lebanon now. What took the frogs so long?

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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P.O.T.U.S. said this in post #19 :
France breaks with U.S. and joins with Arab states demanding Israel leave Lebanon now. What took the frogs so long?


they had to interpret the croaking sounds coming from their p.m.
Seems they figured it out faster then they did when germany drove into the capital
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Posted by: h@ts

What's happening? Tony dropped his trousers and bent over for George once AGAIN! by standing shoulder to shoulder with Bush's stance on Israel's attack on Lebanon (the only country in the world to do so), and yet George sees fit to ignore him and get the agreement sorted out with FRANCE!

How's that for gratitude? Yo Blair! When are you going to learn, Bush doesn't give a s*** what you think. Woof woof! whimper whimper...

Enjoy the holidy, ya stupid putz!

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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h@ts said this in post #21 :
What's happening? Tony dropped his trousers and bent over for George once AGAIN! by standing shoulder to shoulder with Bush's stance on Israel's attack on Lebanon (the only country in the world to do so), and yet George sees fit to ignore him and get the agreement sorted out with FRANCE!

How's that for gratitude? Yo Blair! When are you going to learn, Bush doesn't give a s*** what you think. Woof woof! whimper whimper...

Enjoy the holidy, ya stupid putz!


Well i guess that means we now know that Bushes pecker still works
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