Hitler to blame?

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Much like 9/11 was the impetus for the Iraq war-which would not have happenned without this convenient excuse- could it have been Hitler's attack on the Jews that caused this mess we're in today? If Hitler hadn't come to power and implemented these policies, there wouldn't have been an international outcry to give them a homeland, Palestine would not have become Israel, there would be no Arab/Israeli conflict and the Jews would just be spread throughout the world as they where before. And NO, there would be no anti-U.S. sentiment or terrorism if there was no Israel, no matter what the Bushite, Neocon MORON/IDIOTS tell you!!!

true true i agree

I doubt it.

Antisemitism was in Europe and Russia even before Hitler. People hated the Jews. Some blamed the Jews for their problems, others envied the rich Jews, hating them as a race. Many pogroms occured in the second half of 19th century and the first half of 20th century. In some cases, (or perhaps in all of them) the policemen either didn't disperse the attackers or even participated in the pogroms themselves!

The growing anti-Semitism around the world is what motivated most of the Jews to immigrate to Palestine. Even before Hitler became a dictator, Zionists all around the world organized immigration to Palestine. The Jews were promised land in 1917 by the British, way before Hitler was any popular.

Some Jews lived in Palestine for centuries, mostly in Jerusalem. But they were relatively few.

When Hitler took over Germany and started his antisemantic campaign, many Jews wanted to leave Germany, but no country accepted them. Many wanted to immigrate to the US, but US limited the immigration of Jews to its ports.

If people hadn't hated the Jews over 100 years ago, if they had accepted them to their lands, MAYBE there wouldn't have been any conflicts in the mid east. But that's a maybe, because Jews always felt they belong to this land. Do you know why religious Jews men dress in black and women wear headscarves and such dresses? Because just as the first holy temple was destroyed by the Babylonians due to the many sins of the Jews, many of them were expelled from Israel and they mourned till the day the God had forgiven all their sins and called them to come back and build the second holy temple. Note that God asked the people outside of Israel to help Jews immigrate to Israel and that the richer Jews help the poor ones to immigrate. The same way, in the beginning of 20th century, organizations like "Joint" helped Jews immigrate to Palestine and live there. Money was collected from Jews over Europe and mostly from the US. Up until now, Jews all over the world donate money to Israel as they feel connected to it and since they don't live in Israel but outside of it.

If you already speak of Hitler, if you believe in Nostradamus' prophecies (he was a Jew who lived in Italy during the 16th century, he studied the bible and the Kabalah and is believed to be a prophet), according to one of his biggest prophecies, Hitler was the second anti-christ, Napoleon the first and the third is yet to come. Some say the third will be an Arab who will lead the world to the most bitter war the human race had ever fought. The war will last 27 years but after that, there will be peace for centuries. The war will be won by the 'good guys' when two northern countries will be allied. 2/3 of the human race will fall. However, he predicted it to happen in 1999 and it didn't, hopefully it won't.

Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
I doubt it.

Antisemitism was in Europe and Russia even before Hitler. People hated the Jews. Some blamed the Jews for their problems, others envied the rich Jews, hating them as a race. Many pogroms occured in the second half of 19th century and the first half of 20th century. In some cases, (or perhaps in all of them) the policemen either didn't disperse the attackers or even participated in the pogroms themselves!

The growing anti-Semitism around the world is what motivated most of the Jews to immigrate to Palestine. Even before Hitler became a dictator, Zionists all around the world organized immigration to Palestine. The Jews were promised land in 1917 by the British, way before Hitler was any popular.

That is so true!! Even in the US people anti-semitism was around for a long time. Especially during the depression. Father Coughlin helped ignite that also with his ridiculous radio show! Even government officials such as Jacob Thorkelson was speaking of invisible conspiracies of the Jews, and Ed Taylor actually said that he did not want the meeting in Evian to be an invitation to use the US as a dumping ground for "these people." That certainly didnt help the situation. Roosevelt could have increased the quota, but public pressure swayed him away from doing so. Even the Veterans of Foreign War wanted the immigration stopped for ten years.

Some Jews lived in Palestine for centuries, mostly in Jerusalem. But they were relatively few.

That I believe. It has to be true! If the Jews were in fact there in 1200 BC, I would have to believe that there were also some still there afterword.


When Hitler took over Germany and started his antisemantic campaign, many Jews wanted to leave Germany, but no country accepted them. Many wanted to immigrate to the US, but US limited the immigration of Jews to its ports.

Yes, again that is very true!

If people hadn't hated the Jews over 100 years ago, if they had accepted them to their lands, MAYBE there wouldn't have been any conflicts in the mid east. But that's a maybe, because Jews always felt they belong to this land. Do you know why religious Jews men dress in black and women wear headscarves and such dresses? Because just as the first holy temple was destroyed by the Babylonians due to the many sins of the Jews, many of them were expelled from Israel and they mourned till the day the God had forgiven all their sins and called them to come back and build the second holy temple. Note that God asked the people outside of Israel to help Jews immigrate to Israel and that the richer Jews help the poor ones to immigrate. The same way, in the beginning of 20th century, organizations like "Joint" helped Jews immigrate to Palestine and live there. Money was collected from Jews over Europe and mostly from the US. Up until now, Jews all over the world donate money to Israel as they feel connected to it and since they don't live in Israel but outside of it.

If you already speak of Hitler, if you believe in Nostradamus' prophecies (he was a Jew who lived in Italy during the 16th century, he studied the bible and the Kabalah and is believed to be a prophet), according to one of his biggest prophecies, Hitler was the second anti-christ, Napoleon the first and the third is yet to come. Some say the third will be an Arab who will lead the world to the most bitter war the human race had ever fought. The war will last 27 years but after that, there will be peace for centuries. The war will be won by the 'good guys' when two northern countries will be allied. 2/3 of the human race will fall. However, he predicted it to happen in 1999 and it didn't, hopefully it won't.


Very interesting! I'm glad your here to point out the knowledge Anti! You're too cool!

Anti-semitism was not only in Russia or Nazi Germany. It was in Western Europe in Middle Ages, Arab countries, Ancient Rome and Greece, even in Japan. It was everywhen and everywhere, it seems to me.

So may the reason be in the Jews themselves? Just a small part?

Not mine sorry!
Changed it with that from the book mewntioned above!

Whatever, without the impetus of WWII and the overrrated* holocuast, Israel doesn't happen.

* I say overrated because "holocausts" perpetrated against other peoples don't get equal coverage and sympathy, like the Byzantine Holocaust against Greeks in the early 20th century...over 1 million died! I guess it's just due to better MARKETING DESIGNED TO MILK PERPETUAL SYMPATHY FOR THE "VICTIM" RACE.

I think that's it, many Greeks died as well and where expelled from land they lived on for thousands of years, so like the Jews, it should be considered THEIR LAND.

Anyways, here's what I'm talking about :

http://www.greece.org/genocide/quotes/index.html

Let's talk about this one. The Jews Holocaust is old news, and over done, time for OTHER holocaust victims to MONOPOLIZE the sympathy!

But the question quite right.

These events are marketed much worse than the Jewish Holocaust.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Anti-Jihad
[B] You cannot make a clear distinction between the Jews and any other race. You can't stereotype. So what is there with the Jews that makes everyone hate them? Could you give me a real reason?[B][Quote]


I dont understand that either. Why so much hate? Is is all about the religion? That doesnt make any sense to me. But I look at religion in a totally different way I guess. I dont feel that any one religion is right or wrong. I think overall it is about faith, and no matter how you choose to pray or embrace that faith, it's all really the same overall point isnt it?

You know what I think Anti....its about people who want others to feel and do things the same way they do, and that anyone who is different manages somehow to threaten them. Is that a real reason? Not at all. But like you said, what is the real reason. I dont think they, who ever it may be, even knows. I dont understand why people cant just embrace that not everyone is the same. How boring of a world it would be if we were. Diversity is nice. Havent the Jews been prosecuted long enough? Its time to put an end to it. I hate anti-semitism, I hate racial prejudiceness! I'm really happy that my parents raised me with good enough values to see things that way!

Yes Mystic. I'm with you on this one. Just like you, I am glad that I was raised by my parents with good values and that I learned to rationalize before making any judgment, and you put it right - hate nothing but the hate itself!

After all, religious people who hate and/or kill actually go against their own religion that teaches them not to hate or kill.

No. I'm afraid you totally misunderstood my post.

There's a difference between a person that you see once in your life and a person that you see everyday.

The courts was just an example of the changes made in Europe during the 19th century. It has nothing to do with Antisemitism. The percentage of Jewish criminals was no bigger than of other ethnicities.

The hate rose as Jews began living near everyone else, When they started dressing alike, working in the same places, living next door. Religious Jews all dressed in black and non-religious Jews who looked like anyone else could be seen in the streets of Europe. Before that, Jews could only be seen once in a while as traders, they would go out of their communities to trade things with non-Jewish people.

Many Jews became lawyers, judges, professors, doctors, bankers, etc. They weren't capitalists, they belonged to the middle layer of the society. Jews started teaching in schools, making music, act in theatres - affect European culture, finance and perhaps - its society. That is believed to be a major cause in the growing anti-Semitism in Europe even though I can't see anything negative about it and even if it's negative, I can't see why hatred was turned towards all the Jews.

Some envied Jews, others blamed them for their problems. Some Christians they spread rumours that Jews drink Christian blood, killing Christian children, etc.

As I said, I don't know the reason why people would hate all the Jews. You can hate a murderer for murdering, regardless of his ethnicity, but you can't generalize and hate all who are of his origin.

Hatred towards Jews was always there. It became stronger in the ending of 19th century due to reasons stated above, but no matter what - I believe such hatred will never be justified.

The previous post of mine was addressed to your previous post.

This one is the reply to your last one:

The reasons you stated above may justify hating certain people, but not a whole race, nation or ethnicity. Not all Jews used to take interest while loaning money and nowadays interest from loaning money is everywhere. Not all Jews living in isolated communities suspect non-Jewish people as people who want to swindle them.

Hitler had nothing to do with it. Israel and the promise of a homeland was entirely a British affair via the Balfor Convention after WWI. Britain simply kept its promise when it and France broke up the region after WWII, then later tried semi-successfully to enforce its promise to Israel against the Palestinians. The UN then recognized Israel as a nation state. Caveat: Never confuse the Syrian land conflict with Israel (1967 war annexation) with the Israel-Palestine conflict, although the "Road Map" addresses both issues simultaneously.

You're right I did confuse the two...Thank you

In my head I was referring to the 1917 paper (Balfor). And named it the White Paper....

Yes, they did try and limit casualities, or like you said that is what the history books said. We both know that history is written by the victors. How many things were not reported? Just the fact that a million+ Arabs had to flee their homes, after the Israeli flag was raised says a lot.

Anyway, blowing up a building is still terror, and I think they gave 10-20 minutes notice for the King David Hotel.

Excellent post, it is nice to see someone with such knowledge of the area. I look forward to learning more from you.