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Posted by: malcolm xx



Malik Thomas, a 9-year old was doused with gasoline and set on fire by a group of White childen. Two weeks after incident no one has been charged. Motorists and bystanders had smothered the flames before fire officials arrived. An Mexican child claimed that he was also a target, but was able to get away.

The Arizona Pinal County Sheriff dept has released very little info on the crime to the family or media. Spokesman say because of investigation. Sheriff told family that clothing Malik was wearing had been lost but Fire dept said they have it in a locker.

Vive Mayor Mike Johnson requested Bureau of ATF and FBI to assist in investigation.

" We want justice for Malik" said mother, Pamela Bishop. "

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Posted by: Mr. F

Thats horrible, but why is this in the racism forum? Was the attack racially motivated?

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Posted by: gaboman

I think that's why they want to get the FBI involved. They usually take care of so-called "hate crimes," don't they?

Whether racially motivated or not, its terrible any way you think of it.

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Posted by: mystic

Accusations fly in burning death of 9-year-old black boy in May
By Amanda Lee Myers
the Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona


advertisementTwo children fought to save the life of their 9-year-old friend who was burned to death after the boys began horsing around with gasoline and matches in Arizona City, authorities said Wednesday.

Pinal County Sheriff Chris Vasquez responded to allegations that the May 14 death of the black boy, Malik Thomas, was racially motivated in a case that has sheriff's officials and family representatives hurling accusations and contradicting basic facts of the investigation.

Meanwhile, the head of an Arizona chapter of a civil rights organization said the investigation has been a textbook example of ineptitude.

Sheriff's spokesman Mike Minter said Malik and his 9- and 11-year-old white friends found a milk jug filled with liquid at a construction site in the small town of Arizona City, about halfway between Tucson and Phoenix. They began kicking the jug around a room, then tossed matches at it.

"The fumes had built up in the room and an explosion occurred," Minter said. "The black boy was standing in front of the other boys and the explosion engulfed him."

The third-grader died later at a hospital.

Family representatives have asserted that the two boys doused Malik in gasoline and intentionally set him on fire. They also say that Malik told family members and officials before he died that the boys threw gasoline all over him and then threw a match at him.

Vasquez said the only thing Malik was able to say before being intubated and then going into surgery was that he was hurt and wasn't the one who threw the match.

Doctors said there were no signs Malik's clothes were saturated with a flammable liquid.

He said he couldn't be more sure the death was a tragic accident — not a hate crime.

"His friends did everything they could to get Malik to stop, drop and roll and tried to bat out the flames," Vasquez said. "They tried to save his life, and in my opinion, that's not indicative of someone committing a racially motivated crime.

"When someone commits a racially motivated crime, they're not going to try to save the person's life," Vasquez added. "They're going to flee and these boys stayed. They never left his side."
He added that Malik and one of the boys were inseparable and that the two were seen together so often that they were dubbed "Batman and Robin."

A family representative said Vasquez's characterization of the relationship between Malik and the other boy as close friends is "absolutely untrue."

"They knew each other, they went to school, they did play from time to time," said Art Mobley, a friend and spokesman for the family. "Malik called everybody his friend."

The Rev. Jarrett Maupin, head of the Arizona chapter of the National Action Network, a civil rights organization founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton, said he is disappointed with the investigation.

"The sheriff doesn't want the attention turned on his ridiculous, unorganized and unorthodox investigation," Maupin said.

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Posted by: mystic

I dont know if it was racially motivated or not...

THOUGH...the truth might be told if people can get Al Sharpton or his reps to leave the picture.

The accusations most likely started when they got involved. As Usual.

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Posted by: gaboman

Their explanation is dumb, though. They found a milk bottle filled with gas (possible), they started playing with it and spilling it all over the place (also possible), then started throwing matches at it (now, come on, seriously?)...

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Posted by: Lawless

If he was burnt to the point that he died, how were they able to tell that his clothes weren't saturated with the gasoline? That poor kid. Unfortunately, at this point, unless the other boys confess to having doused him with the gas, it doesn't look like a hate crime... esp if the victim, and one of the "suspects" were such close friends that they were inseperable. Also, they would have fleed the scene... that, I agree with. No matter what, this is such a horrible thing to happen to anyone, especially a child. That saddens me.

Years ago, here in San Diego, there was a group of children that went down in the canyon to play. This is in an area where the military used to do A LOT of practice war games (that's going back... waaaaaaaay back), and the canyons in this area are known to have mortar shells. Well, these kids found one, from digging. One picked it up and began playing with it. It finally went off, and killed two of the kids. BOTH of the third graders that died were my mom's students, at that time. She was devestated. Was the kid who was playing with it, responsible for their deaths? NO. It was an accident.

I just hope that the truth is found out... and that the family of this boy, who died from the burns, can find some shred of peace. No parent should have to bury their child.

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Posted by: malcolm xx



Has conservative news shows reported this crime? The girl from Aruba is reported daily.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

quote:
mystic said this in post #5 :
I dont know if it was racially motivated or not...

THOUGH...the truth might be told if people can get Al Sharpton or his reps to leave the picture.

The accusations most likely started when they got involved. As Usual.


Who would you prefer?
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Posted by: Lawless

ANYONE but him!!!!

With Al Sharpton on the case, the entire thing will be nothing but a circus in the media, and about nothing but this being racial based.

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Posted by: gaboman

What lawless said. If the two boys who performed this act were truly acting out of stupidity, then they don't deserve to have their entire lives to be ruined by Mr. Sharpton. They're going to need enough councilling as it is.

Though like I said: they started throwing matches at the gasoline tank thing? Wtf?

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Posted by: mystic

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malcolm xx said this in post #9 :


Who would you prefer?


Not who....

WHAT is the question.

What do I prefer? The truth.

You may not like it...but in reality, the truth is sometimes skewed when certain people get in the way. One of those certain people is Al Sharpton.
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Posted by: mystic

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Lawless said this in post #7 :
If he was burnt to the point that he died, how were they able to tell that his clothes weren't saturated with the gasoline?


He died from severe burns to the upper body.

There were bystanders and a motorist that came by and put the flames out...so this would leave some clothes remnants still there for them to process.


BUT....I did find this:

The sheriff’s office told the family that the clothing Malik was wearing had been lost. Later, Rev. Tillman was told that the clothing was found in a locker at the Fire Department. Mr. Minter stated that doctors at the hospital said there is no sign that the clothing was saturated with a flammable liquid, but the sheriff’s office will conduct further testing.
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Posted by: mystic

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gaboman said this in post #11 :
What lawless said. If the two boys who performed this act were truly acting out of stupidity, then they don't deserve to have their entire lives to be ruined by Mr. Sharpton. They're going to need enough councilling as it is.

Though like I said: they started throwing matches at the gasoline tank thing? Wtf?


Agreed.

Lets face it though...how many stupid parents are out in the world that dont teach their kids any better? Why were these kids allowed to go off by themselves and play in a construction site to begin with?

Do I wonder if it were racially motivated. Yes, and that is based on the fact that they say that Malik was in front of the other boys when the explosion happened...but I dont remember seeing that the other boys werre even touched by the fire. How that could be...dont know.

Still leaves me wondering whether it was or not....but Id rather hear the truth than to hear accusations and arguing, which can hinder an investigation.
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Posted by: mystic

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malcolm xx said this in post #8 :


Has conservative news shows reported this crime? The girl from Aruba is reported daily.


Not every crime in every state can be covered by all the news. Our news coverages would have to be longer than 24 hours just to report murders alone...and being that the day isnt longer than 24 hours...how could this happen?

Last year, for example, in my state there was a white guy shot in the head by a black guy. He was killed instantly. Took us a year to finally catch the guy.

I'd venture to guess you didnt hear about that crime...and why would you? You dont live here...I wouldnt expect every murder that happens everyday to be reported nationwide.

So you feel that because a black boy died with white boys around that this should be more noted than any other murder?

I would find it important for this to be reported nationwide if this is found to be racially motivated...but since no one really knows....why are you assuming it is?

Do you know something about this particular crime that we dont know? Do you know for a fact it was racially motivated?

You dont know anymore than anyone else...assumptions are just what they are. They dont tell the truth...they just dance around it.

I will say this again, as I have said in the past...I respect your passion for the black cause. There just isnt a need to go overboard everytime though. Crying wolf all the time doesnt make people listen...it makes them eventually turn their head. One day you might assume correctly, but who will be there to listen?
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Posted by: Lawless

Mystic, you brought up some really good points here, esp in that last post.


And you're right... having passion for something is great. We all have it, for something in our lives. But, if that one thing causes you to be obsessive about it, and you're overboard, eventually (or maybe too soon) people WILL turn their heads, in disgust, because they DONT want to hear it anymore.

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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mystic said this in post #15 :


Not every crime in every state can be covered by all the news. Our news coverages would have to be longer than 24 hours just to report murders alone...and being that the day isnt longer than 24 hours...how could this happen?

Last year, for example, in my state there was a white guy shot in the head by a black guy. He was killed instantly. Took us a year to finally catch the guy.

I'd venture to guess you didnt hear about that crime...and why would you? You dont live here...I wouldnt expect every murder that happens everyday to be reported nationwide.

So you feel that because a black boy died with white boys around that this should be more noted than any other murder?

I would find it important for this to be reported nationwide if this is found to be racially motivated...but since no one really knows....why are you assuming it is?

Do you know something about this particular crime that we dont know? Do you know for a fact it was racially motivated?

You dont know anymore than anyone else...assumptions are just what they are. They dont tell the truth...they just dance around it.

I will say this again, as I have said in the past...I respect your passion for the black cause. There just isnt a need to go overboard everytime though. Crying wolf all the time doesnt make people listen...it makes them eventually turn their head. One day you might assume correctly, but who will be there to listen?



Because I bring up topics that wouldn't have brought mention doesn't mean I'm "crying wolf". A Black child was burned alive, a Black child was beaten to death at a Florida boot camp; a Black child claims to be raped by 3 white lacrosse players from Duke, Black citizens; who were victims of Hurricane Katrina have been mistreated by gov and forgotten by people; a Black man in Milwaukee was a victim of police beaten; No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players;Black children in Africa are being used as test subjects for unapproved drugs;s Iron Man was once drawn to be used by a Black man;...etc. These stories ar all facts that no one seems to mention. If I am guilty of going "overboard" don't blame me blame the society we live in. most people can't live in your bubble they like to know the truth.
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Posted by: Whidden

You left out that Superman is a white guy.

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Posted by: Mr. F

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[i]malcolm xx said this in post ; No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players; [/B]



It never dawned on me how anti-African Africa was. Thanks for pointing that out
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Posted by: mystic

quote:
malcolm xx said this in post #17 :



Because I bring up topics that wouldn't have brought mention doesn't mean I'm "crying wolf". A Black child was burned alive, a Black child was beaten to death at a Florida boot camp; a Black child claims to be raped by 3 white lacrosse players from Duke, Black citizens; who were victims of Hurricane Katrina have been mistreated by gov and forgotten by people; a Black man in Milwaukee was a victim of police beaten; No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players;Black children in Africa are being used as test subjects for unapproved drugs;s Iron Man was once drawn to be used by a Black man;...etc. These stories ar all facts that no one seems to mention. If I am guilty of going "overboard" don't blame me blame the society we live in. most people can't live in your bubble they like to know the truth.


No one seems to mention????

Are you kidding me. I was listening to the LaCrosse incident for months on the news. Where were you when this was on? There is a DNA problem with the boys involved in the LaCrosse incident. The DNA didnt match any of the guys accused. Did you forget that fact or did your assumptions cloud that truth?


Africa? If you have a problem with Africa....then take it up with them. How are we as AMERICANS supposed to control how the African team controls who runs the soccer team or if they use kids for drug testing? If you want to make a change in this case...do it. Are you sitting around waiting for someone else to do it? What have YOU done to change this?

Black, white, green, red....whatever...I dont even know who in the hell ironman is.

I hear stories of blacks being killed all the time. Let me ask you however...if you know so much about this...tell me, what are the stats of blacks killing blacks. I think you might find it higher than blacks being murdered by whites. How come thats never an issue with you. Youre cause is great...but dont forget that your own race are killing one another. Being that you are so big on the truth....find that truth.

Do you ever scream out when a black person kills a white person for a few bucks or whatever the reason is?

We had a guy out here (yes, a black man). He had a torture chamber in his basement and killed prostitutes. Black women. So what of that? Dont say he wasnt guilty...he had videos that the police found of the torture of these women. He committed suicide after he was found out. So? What of that? Is this an issue to you when one of your own race kills another one of your race? Or do you only care about what you can conjure up stories about? I say stories because not all the stories youve given are hard evidence.

As for me living in a bubble. I dont. I look for the truth, I dont assume anything until the truth be known. Its you who lives in a bubble. Your mind is clouded by assumptions and that will inevitably hide the truth from you. Would if you find that the Thomas boy was actually really killed by a freak accident. Could you live with that, or will your assumptions always keep you not believing the real truth?

You dont want to know the truth...you want to sit, assume and let others do the work for you.

Oh...and speaking of miscarriages of justice...should I even mention the name of Tawana Brawley?
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Posted by: brochu13

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A Black child was burned alive, a Black child was beaten to death at a Florida boot camp; a Black child claims to be raped by 3 white lacrosse players from Duke, Black citizens; who were victims of Hurricane Katrina have been mistreated by gov and forgotten by people; a Black man in Milwaukee was a victim of police beaten; No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players;Black children in Africa are being used as test subjects for unapproved drugs;s Iron Man was once drawn to be used by a Black man;...etc. These stories ar all facts that no one seems to mention. If I am guilty of going "overboard" don't blame me blame the society we live in. most people can't live in your bubble they like to know the truth. [/B]
The rape was a 21 year old woman, not a child, and it doesn't even look like that happened anymore.
Soccer? Are you kidding? Maybe because the white coaches became more knowledgable by growing up elsewhere or something. That's the countries fault anyway. I seriously doubt they veiw themselves as antiAfrican because they pick a white coach.
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Posted by: Lawless

It's not that they are antiAmerican... it's that malcolm almost seems antiwhite.

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Posted by: brochu13

I was about to make the same observation. Apparently anything that remotely involves white people is racist. Presumable Russia is a racist country because almots 90% of their population is white.

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Posted by: lodgebo

[QUOTE]malcolm xx said this in post #17 :
[B]

No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players;

Actually I know for a fact that you are wrong because Alngola has a black manager and a white Goalkeeper also Toga have two white midfielders. Where does that leave your little theory?

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Posted by: lodgebo

Have a wee look if you want

Angola

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Posted by: Whidden

I'm no expert in these matters, but that coach looked "Black".


Kady bar the door!

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Posted by: malcolm xx

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lodgebo said this in post #24 :
[QUOTE]malcolm xx said this in post #17 :
[B]

No African soccer team has an Black coach in WC although the teams have all Black players;

Actually I know for a fact that you are wrong because Alngola has a black manager and a white Goalkeeper also Toga have two white midfielders. Where does that leave your little theory?


Is the manager and coach the same? What does a goalkeeeper and midfielders have to do with my question? You can't changed reality because you don't agree with it.
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Posted by: lodgebo

Yes Malcolm a manager and a coach are the same I can give you an example if you ask me.

As for the players simple it is to make you look like what you reall are. You said that the African teams are all black players and all white managers, yet with this one team we have a Black manager and a white Goalie so what does that say about your theory.

As for the reality of things sunshine well the reality is on that FIFA webapge staring at you probably making you fell stupid when in truth you should feel embarresed because it's people like you that are all talk and no fact or reserach that does damage to the race equality movement and gives power to white supremacy groups and for that YOU should feel ashamed.

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Posted by: fuscia

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malcolm xx said this in post #27 :


Is the manager and coach the same? What does a goalkeeeper and midfielders have to do with my question? You can't changed reality because you don't agree with it.


He just proved that there are two white players on a team that you claimed was all black.
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Posted by: lickety_split

The question is are there any Black WC soccer coaches out there anywhere?

If so, did they apply for the job of one of the soccer teams of Africa or other countries? Did they have the qualifications and experience the other coaches have?

My opinion on this matter is that it is probably relative to skills, availability and opportunities of the coaches and not a racist issue.

If an African soccer team wanted to hire a strictly African or "Black" coaches they would do it. If they wanted only Black players or White, Latin or any race of players they could do that but they chose the better players and coaches who would bring something more than their skin color to the team.

To me that is not racist.

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Posted by: mystic

quote:
lodgebo said this in post #28 :
As for the reality of things sunshine well the reality is on that FIFA webapge staring at you probably making you fell stupid when in truth you should feel embarresed because it's people like you that are all talk and no fact or reserach that does damage to the race equality movement and gives power to white supremacy groups and for that YOU should feel ashamed.


I could not agree with you more. It drives me crazy when people throw things out without gathering the true facts in the first place especially when its found that the facts they throw out are so very wrong. Not that they are always wrong....but goodness, please find out the truth before spewing stuff that could eventually come back and slap you in the face.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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malcolm xx said this in post #1 :


Malik Thomas, a 9-year old was doused with gasoline and set on fire by a group of White childen.
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That's just sick - they mention anything about the mother, father or family members being apart of the KKK ? the kookooklan


I think if it was racist they should take the boys that did it, chain them up in front of city hall and cane them.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

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gaboman said this in post #6 :
Their explanation is dumb, though. They found a milk bottle filled with gas (possible), they started playing with it and spilling it all over the place (also possible), then started throwing matches at it (now, come on, seriously?)...



I did something like that with a group of friends when i was about 11 - blew up a barn behind a church
bout killed myself. no one caught fire though - but we did play with matches and the liquid was gas. Was hanging out with the older kids, stupid me - parents never liked those kids and always grounded me from hanging out with them.
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