What If The Right Thing Happens In Iraq? |
| Posted by: fred hooper | | Iraqis remain suspicous of the coalitions intentions (I should only say US because thats all they care about it seems) in their nation at present. Yes, the coalition did do a very good job in the war and desposed the regime which most Iraqis are very happy for and thankful. But many still remain suspcious and cautious of America's intentions for the countries future. Iraqis do want a new government and coalition to leave ASAP when practicle. I think this is very close to the mark.
But what if the US did give over the country to a government that Iraqis are happy with and things in a couple years time are are quite decent? Would this still change peoples minds on the US and their intentions? What if they did just buy oil off them like they do with anyone else in the future? What if Iraq ultimately suceeds and the US does the right thing?
After all, they didn't occupy and rip apart the Balkans or Afghanistan for profit which some reckon they want to do in Iraq. Both have their own governments and are only protected by small numbers of peacekeepers. Another reason why I believe Iraq will be no different and this is fact.
One must also remember alot of Iraq has never had the chance to really explore the world for itself, be exposed to freedom of information and think for itself. 30 long years that lasted for and all they've copped this time was Saddam Hussein propraganda against the US and Jews. One can only imagine how bad this was and one cannot begin to imagine how Iraqis could suddenly change overnight in this sense also. This is a big factor for their mistrust and caution at present which filters through the entire ME. One Iraq is truly free and is allowed to think for itself, things will change greatly.
Will those mistrustful of the US in the Western and Arab world change their minds if the right thing happens? I still have a bad feeling it won't because some people really don't care if it does turn out good. Prove me and others wrong.
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| Posted by: nowar | |
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Originally posted by fred hooper
Iraqis do want a new government and coalition to leave ASAP when practicle. I think this is very close to the mark.
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don't think so ...... did you heard what US gov said about that ?
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Originally posted by fred hooper
But what if the US did give over the country to a government that Iraqis are happy with and things in a couple years time are are quite decent? Would this still change peoples minds on the US and their intentions? What if they did just buy oil off them like they do with anyone else in the future? What if Iraq ultimately suceeds and the US does the right thing?
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I will be happy and have my proof of the US gov behaviour change ... and I will think differently about US gov .....
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Originally posted by fred hooper
After all, they didn't occupy and rip apart the Balkans or Afghanistan for profit which some reckon they want to do in Iraq. Both have their own governments and are only protected by small numbers of peacekeepers. Another reason why I believe Iraq will be no different and this is fact.
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Your "this is a fact" is "this is an assumption" ......
In Afghanistan, they build the pipeline the Taliban refused to authorise US to build then they (US) left the country and it's a complete mess now ....
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| The United States was slow to condemn the Taliban in the mid-1990s because the Taliban seemed to favor U.S. oil company Unocal to build two pipelines across Afghanistan. |
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Oil and gas are not the reason the US has attacked Afghanistan, but Afghanistan has long had a key place in US plans to secure control of the vast but landlocked oil and gas reserves of Central Asia. Though the primary US motivation is to destroy Osama bin Laden’s sanctuary in Afghanistan, another, rather more pecuniary objective is also on the agenda, particularly in the search for an alternative government in Kabul. With the Taliban out of Kabul and the search for a new Afghan government on center stage, one criterion on Washington’s mind will be how best to make Afghanistan safe for a couple of billion-dollar pipeline investments.
In the case of the great natural gas and oil fields of Turkmenistan, immediately north of Afghanistan, the US government has for a decade strongly supported plans by US-led business groups for both an oil pipeline from Turkmenistan to the Arabian sea via Afghanistan and a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan. Such pipelines would serve important US interests in a number of ways:
Drawing the Central Asian oil states away from the Russian sphere of influence and establishing the foundation for a strong US position
Thwarting the development of Iranian regional influence by limiting Turkmenistan-Iranian gas links and thwarting a plan for a Turkmenistan-Iran oil pipeline to the Arabian Sea.
Diversify US sources of oil and gas, and, by increasing production sources, help keep prices low
Benefiting US oil and construction companies with growing interests in the region
Providing a basis for much-needed economic prosperity in the region, which might provide a basis for political stability.
For much of the 1990s the United States supported the Taliban’s rise to power, both by encouraging the involvement of US oil companies, and by implicitly tolerating Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, two of its key regional allies, in their direct financial and military support for the Taliban. The Taliban, which is committed to a particularly primitive vision of Sunni Islam, had the added advantage for the US of being deeply hostile to Shia Muslims in neighboring Iran (as well as within Afghanistan).
A crucial condition for building the pipelines is political stability in Afghanistan, and for a time the US believed the Taliban could provide just that. Had it not been for the Taliban’s apparent tolerance of the former US-supported Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban’s highly visible extremely repressive attitude to women and other social issues, the US would most likely have continued its support for the Taliban, and the construction of the pipelines would have got underway in the late 90s. Certainly Iran believed that the US was behind Pakistani and Saudi support for the Taliban as part of a long-term plan to contain Iran. But as so often before, US foreign policy based on the principle of "my enemy’s enemy is my friend" helped generate the conditions that allowed the New York and Washington atrocities to be conceived.
The key to Central Asian politics is economic development in Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, all of which are amongst the poorest parts of the former Soviet Union. Most are authoritarian dictatorships of the most dismal kind. For the past ten years the US has been wooing the governments of these countries, and opening the doors for profitable investment by US companies. |
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Originally posted by fred hooper
One must also remember alot of Iraq has never had the chance to really explore the world for itself, be exposed to freedom of information and think for itself. 30 long years that lasted for and all they've copped this time was Saddam Hussein propraganda against the US and Jews. One can only imagine how bad this was and one cannot begin to imagine how Iraqis could suddenly change overnight in this sense also. This is a big factor for their mistrust and caution at present which filters through the entire ME. One Iraq is truly free and is allowed to think for itself, things will change greatly.
Will those mistrustful of the US in the Western and Arab world change their minds if the right thing happens? I still have a bad feeling it won't because some people really don't care if it does turn out good. Prove me and others wrong.
Fred Hooper |
Iraq is already free, Saddam is gone.
And they say: "thank you but leave now".
Maybe you don't like that but seems to be their choice .......
Mistrustful ? I think US gov has enough bad things in his History which can explain what you call "mistrustful".
Change in their minds ? I think they will if US gov do it in the right way, meaning no self interest in Iraq, no US gov puppets gov, transparency, ..... can they do that ? I doubt by will wait to see .....
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
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Originally posted by nowar
Iraq is already free, Saddam is gone.
And they say: "thank you but leave now".
Maybe you don't like that but seems to be their choice .......
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Right, a--hole, not yours. Because certain religious groups in Iraq hold peaceful protests (something that was undreamed of for them for decades) parasites like yourself just go off ringing the alarm declaring U.S. presence as an evil act. You know as well as anyone that if the peacekeeping troops left Iraq now before the country is stabilized and rebuilt it would spell disaster for Iraq—the worst thing that could happen. But that matters little to you and your sorry little agenda of belittling the U.S. whenever possible. You don't give a s--t for the Iraqi people as long as the U.S. can be made to look bad. Petty propagandists like you make me sick, you pathetic loser. Have a nice day over your cozy little keyboard, you hypocritical wuss, and let the U.S. do the man's work.
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| Posted by: nowar | | be sick Curley, I don't care .... but I do care for Iraqi and as far as I know I never said that the troops have to leave, never.
What I wrote is the feeling that I have regarding what's going on there: THEY DON'T WANT THE TROOPS ......... not me, sorry.
You blindly trust US gov, I don't, that's the diff. I'm only waiting a proof from them, that's all, but you , you don't care.
and again, be sick, I don't care.
You don't like ? don't read, it's easy.
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| Posted by: fred hooper | | nowar
You wreak of bulldung conspiracy theories and twisting of facts. You are probably the most pessimistic, negative & doomy gloomy ridden sole I've ever seen on this mb.
Hope for the worst, think of the worst should be your sign off. Nothing ever looks good and nothing ever is good in your books. Go away.
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| Posted by: nowar | | again, it's not me who want an islamic state fred ......
did you read my first answer or you skipped it because it goes in the opposite of you think about me ?
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| I will be happy and have my proof of the US gov behaviour change ... and I will think differently about US gov ..... |
the question is: what will US gov do if THEY choose a islamic state ? they gonna bomb them ? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fred hooper | | I don't care what kind of state they really have as long as it isn't some despotic backwards Islamic one where people don't have a say and vote. An Islamic democracy is most suitable it seems but maybe not.
I think a democracy can be achieved in Iraq where Islam is still present. Might be a model for the ME. But then again, Islamic people seem to think everything and everyone in life revolves around religion so they might want Islam within the statehood.
I truly hope they take steps the West bravely took and achieved secularism. Its no doubt why the West leads the world and moved out of that ancient backwards thinking. People can still have their religion even when seperated from statehood as proven by the West. It works better to be honest.
As we know, not everyone follows religion and the same one in Islam so I truly fail to see how a Islamic state could work anywhere. Guess what? It doesn't anywhere as proven today so they need to make a change to seperate state from religion or they'll just go back to 3rd world status like the other ME nations. Back in the crappy rubbish bins of the world.
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