Time/Murtha: US Military Killing Innocent Iraqi Civilians |
| Posted by: malcolm xx | | Its time to hold military accountable. Abu Graib, burning dead Afganistans, torturing prisoners and now this. Military is no different than a militia.
This proves how conservatives have control of the media. US Military is killing innocent people and the media has more anger toward a baseball player ? There have been more stories on alligators this month than the army all year; more reports on a horse than this crime in Haditha.
Rep. Murtha said the death toll was far worse than reported and US troops killed innocent women and children "in cold blood"  Worse than My Lai?
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| Posted by: A. Feengurstinx | | There are no innocent Muslims. The reason they pray with their butts towards the US, is because that is who is widening their poop chutes. Allah can bend over too. How about you, Malcum XXX? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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A. Feengurstinx said this in post #2 :
There are no innocent Muslims. The reason they pray with their butts towards the US, is because that is who is widening their poop chutes. Allah can bend over too. How about you, Malcum XXX? |
There are no innocent marines. I don't see Muslims breaking into homes and shooting American women and children while they sleep. Your gov is corrupt. Accept the truth.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #1 :
This proves how conservatives have control of the media. US Military is killing innocent people and the media has more anger toward a baseball player ? There have been more stories on alligators this month than the army all year; more reports on a horse than this crime in Haditha.
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Well despite the alligators, and the horse, the TV networks have been all over the Haditha massacre. In fact, in their zeal to run with it, they jumped the gun without realizing that they were being fed a line of bull by partisan political operatives. The marines cannot defend themselves against this media attack when they have placed the matter under investigation.
Obviously you believe the story and are therefore convinced that because the media seem to have placed it on a back burner, that is proof that the media are a run by conservatives who are defending a bunch of baby killing marines. But the fact is, the reason that the story seems to have taken a backseat to the frivolous stories is that the media are starting to realize that they were had on Haditha.
Soon the world will learn the truth and the Haditha massacre story will join Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, and their forged documents.
The Haditha story that has been fed to ABC, CBS, NBC, Murtha, and all the other liberal media did not happen. You should not believe everything you hear on TV.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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gaboman said this in post #5 :
Could we keep derogatory comments out of this one, please. |
What is a derogatory comment?
We are talking about a charge leveled by the media that Marines flipped out, went into a rage, and slaughtered innocent men, women, and children, versus a counter charge that the story is made up to discredit the war effort. Only one of the charges can be true. The one that is true deserves nothing but derogatory comments.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | Was talking in general. However no one can know for sure which is true, so people are free to discuss it. Since I haven't seen anything from the media covering this story at all, I'm not really that interested.
Comments like post number #2, however, are fairly inappropriate, and the only reason I'm leaving them for the time being is in the name of free speech. Plus the post was too stupid to be taken seriously. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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gaboman said this in post #7 :
Comments like post number #2, however, are fairly inappropriate, and the only reason I'm leaving them for the time being is in the name of free speech. Plus the post was too stupid to be taken seriously. |
I agree.
As far as the Haditha story goes, it has completely fallen off the radar. But about two weeks ago, I must have seen at least fifty references to it inside of one week's time. It was BIG news. It was being compared to the Mi Lai massacre of Viet Nam.
In the case of Haditha, there is no dispute over whether a dozen or more cilvilians were killed. They were. The debate is over whether they were killed as colateral damage in a fire fight, or killed outright as revenge for something they did not do.
ABC, CBS, NBC, and others ran with the latter without considering the former. Neither scenario has yet been established as fact. So much for objective news.
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #8 :
Colateral damage? Do you consider your friends and family colateral damage? you obviously do not value people of color. ? I'm sure you had same feelings when My Lai masscre was reported? Accept reality that your military can do bad things
As far as the Haditha story goes, it has completely fallen off the radar. But about two weeks ago, I must have seen at least fifty references to it inside of one week's time. It was BIG news. It was being compared to the Mi Lai massacre of Viet Nam.
In the case of Haditha, there is no dispute over whether a dozen or more cilvilians were killed. They were. The debate is over whether they were killed as colateral damage in a fire fight, or killed outright as revenge for something they did not do.
ABC, CBS, NBC, and others ran with the latter without considering the former. Neither scenario has yet been established as fact. So much for objective news. |
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | Collateral damage has nothing to do with the value of what gets damaged. It's just a term to indicate damage to something that was not targeted.
Why would you conclude that I don't value people of color?
One of two possible scenarios happened in Haditha, and neither one has yet been proved. But ABC, NBC, CBS, Murhta, and yourself have all considered only one of the two scenarios, and have assumed that it is true. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #10 :
Collateral damage has nothing to do with the value of what gets damaged. It's just a term to indicate damage to something that was not targeted.
Why would you conclude that I don't value people of color?
One of two possible scenarios happened in Haditha, and neither one has yet been proved. But ABC, NBC, CBS, Murhta, and yourself have all considered only one of the two scenarios, and have assumed that it is true. |
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | | 
Of 24 innocent Iraqis civilians killed in Haditha, a 66 year old women and 4 year old baby were included
Dr. Ishamael, docter of Baghdads City Hospital says "There are many, many, many cases like Haditha that are still uncovered and need to be highlighted in Iraq".
David swanson, a member of United for Peace and Justice[UFPJ] :
" Many of our troops were sent in, having been trained to expect gratitude from Iraquis, instead they are facing hostility and ingratitude . They see them as enemies and as people to be sadistically abused."
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #13 :
You have no idea what happened in Haditha. |
I don't know anymore than you but I'm using sources who have knowledge of Haditha masscre.
US military is major cause of Iaqi civilian deaths. " if you look at Iraq body-count website, almost a third of total Iraqi civilian casualties have been caused by the U.S." said [Mr. Leaver] an anti-war actvist.
Pentegon] statistcs say fewer than one in 300 soldiers were refered to a mental health professional before being sent to Iraq in 2005.
Twenty-two US soldiers committed suicide in iIraq in 2005 and some who committed sucide were kept on duty despite clear signs of sucide.
Doesn't this anger someone? Isn't anyone concern?
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #14 :
I don't know anymore than you but I'm using sources who have knowledge of Haditha masscre.
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Do you believe that the U.S. military massacred civilians because they disliked them?
Eventually there will be a conclusion about the Haditha incident by the military investigation under way. Will you accept that conclusion, whatever it is?
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #15 :
Do you believe that the U.S. military massacred civilians because they disliked them?
Eventually there will be a conclusion about the Haditha incident by the military investigation under way. Will you accept that conclusion, whatever it is? |
I don't know why US soldiers kill innocent women and children but HISTORY gives us an idea.
Unless the investigation is conducted by a independent source, the results from an military investigation cannot be credible. Do believe the military is going to get to source of this massacre and hold those accountable other than the soldiers involved?
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #16 :
I don't know why US soldiers kill innocent women and children but HISTORY gives us an idea.
Unless the investigation is conducted by a independent source, the results from an military investigation cannot be credible. Do believe the military is going to get to source of this massacre and hold those accountable other than the soldiers involved? |
If the military investigation yields an explanation that sounds credible to me, I will accept it. I would also consider explanations given by other investigations. I would doubt explanations given by people who have an obvious ax to grind; people like Murtha.
I do not have a pre-conceived conviction that this was an intentional massacre. I don't know why anybody would unless they had an ax to grind.
There are three possible explanations for what happened at Haditha. It is also possible that two or three of the three possible explanations could be combined in the actual cause.
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #17 :
If the military investigation yields an explanation that sounds credible to me, I will accept it. I would also consider explanations given by other investigations. I would doubt explanations given by people who have an obvious ax to grind; people like Murtha.
I do not have a pre-conceived conviction that this was an intentional massacre. I don't know why anybody would unless they had an ax to grind.
There are three possible explanations for what happened at Haditha. It is also possible that two or three of the three possible explanations could be combined in the actual cause. |
The military investigated itself after MY LAI, where hundreds of innocent were killed. How many were held accountable for masscre? Did you agree?
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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malcolm xx said this in post #18 :
The military investigated itself after MY LAI, where hundreds of innocent were killed. How many were held accountable for masscre? Did you agree? |
Well they did not cover it up. They did resolve it.
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EUCLID said this in post #15 :
Do you believe that the U.S. military massacred civilians because they disliked them?
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There are bound to be a few soldiers capable of anything. I don't know what it's like to be in a war zone and have to witness men women and children being blown to bits or have to blast someone's brains out but it can't be good for some soldier's psychological well-being. In war and conflict some people are always going to go nuts no matter how civilised you think you're troops should behave. It's a direct consequence of the barbarity of war at the front and will always occur.
That's why war should always be a last resort.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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h@ts said this in post #20 :
In war and conflict some people are always going to go nuts no matter how civilised you think you're troops should behave. It's a direct consequence of the barbarity of war at the front and will always occur.
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I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha?
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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EUCLID said this in post #21 :
I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha? |
US and Iraqi politicians, your conservative media , human right groups and victims of masscre have all agreed the incident happen. Where and Who have been confirmed. How and Why is what military is " investgated".
500 were killed in My Lai Massacre and only 1 was held accoutable? The outcome of this "investigation will not be a surprise.
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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EUCLID said this in post #21 :
I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha? |
The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.
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A Town Awoke to Slaughter
Iraqis say Marines went house to house killing Haditha residents. 'I wish I had died with them,' says a child who saw her family slain.
Survivors say that furious Marines rampaged through a quiet street, bursting into homes and gunning down Iraqi civilians — including children, women and an elderly man in a wheelchair. Their account appears to match details emerging from a military investigation of the deaths of at least 24 Iraqi civilians on the morning of Nov. 19.
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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h@ts said this in post #23 :
The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.
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What is known is that the civilians were killed. The contention that they were murdered has not been proved. The stated motive of revenge has not been proved. Obviously there is a huge motive to misrepresent what happened on the part of all parties involved. Do you see this motive on the part of anybody other than the U.S. military? Why would you believe just one of the many possible explanations? Have you considered other explanations? Do you know of them?
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | |
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h@ts said this in post #23 :
The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.
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or Newsweek [ june 12 ] " The Haditha Question"
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| Posted by: malcolm xx | | In November 2005, doctors in Iraq say the US military attacked the hospital at Haditha three times.
" A severe breach of the Geneva Conventions. In one of those attacks, US soldiers used live ammunition inside the hospital. They handcuffed all the doctors and destroyed the entire contents of the medical storage. It ended with one patient killed in bed" he complained.
The Iraqi Red Cresant reported that over 1000 families have been forced to leave homes in Haditha. Where is the outraged? No one seems to care? | | Reply To this Message
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