Lost Episode 23 5/24/06 - Season Finale

Lost - Season Two Forum

Wednesday, May 24 at 8/7c

"Live Together, Die Alone"

SEASON FINALE

After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch, on the two-hour season finale.

just watched the preview in slow motion.


the highlights:


shows desmond running for 3 frames, almost too fast to see.


shows sayid and jin on the new boat.


shows what looks like Kate getting shot. She is running and falls, looks like a shot, don't know.


shows a wooden or metal dharma key being turned.


Shows jack kicking in a wooden roof, that's on top of the ground.


Shows stacks of what looks like the air tube thingys that Locke used in the Pearl Hatch. They look like gun shells stacked in huge piles outdoors, but they are the air tube cylinders.


Shows the blast doors coming down on Mr. Ekko.


Shows Locke coming down on the button computer with a big stick, and Mr. Ekko's arm moving to stop the swing.


Shows Charlie in the hatch, and it's full of dust and debris.

Man, Locke is going to do in the hatch, isn't he?

he tries, and Ekko tries to stop him. But if the previews are right, then we get an answer as to whether the button is real or not.

Also it said, it will answer why the plane crashed on the Island. They better come through with dey promises, or I will PRETEND to boycott next season.

I think that we will find out what caused the plane to crash.... but, not why it crashed on THIS island. Make sense?

Maybe. It showed Kate on the plane.



Perhaps her, or someone else bombed the sucker. I tend to think that the Island drew it in somehow, as all these people are meeting and running into each other before the plane crash.


They were meant to be on the plane.

Just watched the tape of Alias from last night, and it had the same Lost preview with a few extra scenes:


1. Locke telling Desmond that it's a trick. Desmond looking pissed off.


2. Desmond throwing books off the book shelf in the hatch.

3. It shows the wooden door jack kicks in is on the boat.

4. Jack confronts mike about lying and mike gives up the truth.

5. Mr. Ekko says they have 19 minutes before everyone on the Island dies. (an aside, 19 was big in the Dark Tower Series)


6. Shows Kate talking to Sawyer, asking if he is "in".

Obviousely they are going to attack the others for their vaccine, since they apparantly survived the last 'incident'. I'm curious to hear Michael's rationale for murdering Anna Lucia. I hope they don't go "Oh, well if they tricked you into it, that's no big deal. Oh, and we forgive you for trying to set us all up too. Let's go get your son back!" I'd Tie Michael up and leave him on the beach to die while everyone else goes and gets the vaccine.

I would do away with Micheal somehow, don't think I would shoot him, but after what the did, he would be pushing up daisy's.

If the Island was under the Whidden administration, that is.


Most likely, I would send him back to the Others with nothing, and let them do the dirty work.

All I know is that I can't WAIT to watch this. But, since we're having an American Idol finale party, at my mom's, the Lost season finale is going to have to wait until Thursday. I'm going to be ITCHING to watch it... that's all that I know.

DorkySar27 is coming over at 6:30 and we're ordering Pizza. Neither of us have to work. The LOST god's have shined down on us this week.

Awesome!

We're doing dinner at my mom's... and fuscia will be there as well, to watch the AI finale.

But, you can bet that I will be camped out, in front of the tv, once Shannon get's home from work, on Thursday night.

And I'll be right here, in this thread, waiting to find out what happens.

If the finale has some good stuff in it, I'll start watching season 2 (which started here a couple of weeks back).

What sux for me is that it is airing on the Canadian CTV channel at 10pm until 12 midnight. Since I get home at midnight, that means I'll be up until near 2am watching LOST.

There's no watching any other day because Thursday that is what the entire world will be talking about it and I will not be left behind.

I'm hoping there will be some of you that will post some tidbits on how well it is going so I can psyche myself up for the big finale.

Hopefully three major questions will be answered.

1. How/Why did they crash?

2. What/Who are the "others"?

3. What is Dharma and the hatches?

If they answer any of those, I'd be happy.

I want to know if that's Desmond's boat.


I really want to know why Zeke wears a fake ZZ Top beard. And where he got that neat as hell Sling.


OH YEAH! all joking aside, I forgot the main point of the second trailer, the most important thing, but it shows Sayid going into the door of the hatch in THE OTHER's CAMP.

The one gaurded by the two gaurds with guns. The shot shows Sayid alone, opening the door to it, with the ocean and the others crappy looking shed behind him.

Concerning Desmond pushing all the books off the bookshelf in his hatch. I think either he is throwing a fit or there is some kind of secret compartment back there he is trying to get to fast.

I don't think Jack will let Michael get away with it. He thinks he is the sheriff of the island. I like romantic hero Jack. Where did he go?

Get ready for a cliff hanger. I heard there will be a big one.

Ooooh...can't wait!

What no updates? Is everyone glued to their televisions tonite?

I'm dying here.....(of suspense that is!)

Guess I'll have to wait til I get home and watch it.

I feel sad.





spoilers ahead:








For all we know Locke and Mr. Ekko are toast. The Button is definately gone. What are the long term effects of the "incident" now? The Others are apparantly an ancient alien humanoid species with 4 toes. Desmond is dead, right? Why? They didn't do a good job of explaining that. And Desmond didn't elaborate enough for Locke to understand how or why he saved Desmond's life. Jack had a plan, did he not? What was it? Will Hurley be able to walk all the way back to the beach? What happened to Sun and Jin? Why does Michael have to fallow an exact, certain heading to get away from the island, and why won't he ever be able to return? What does Desmond's ex girlfriend have to do with anything? Why were those people in the antartic calling her to report a magnentic anomoly? Why/how did she have Desmond's picture? Was she in the past? Is this whole magnet thing involved in manipulating our perception of time? Am I going to go insane waiting until next season for these answers? 4 toes? What?

I guess I am not going to say anything since I don't know if this is the spoiler thread or not.

It was good. A lot going on. Will definitely have to watch it a couple more times. Glad they brought Desmond back. He is cool

This one is usually the spoiler thread. I just assumed it was.

Sorry Sayzak I was posting at the same time as you.
I can answer a couple of your questions.

Desmond was about to kill himself. That is how Locke saved his life.

Jack's plan is Sayid.

Spoiler alert,


We will all probably go insane waiting for next season.

I am going to have to watch it again to see if Desmond is toast. I think Locke and Mr. Ecko will be o.k.

Desmond and his girlfriend could have the same picture of each other. That is no big deal to me.
She has an unlimited amount of money as she said. She has been trying to find Desmond for two or three years at least. She hired those guys. For some reason she knows about the electro magnetic thingy. I don't know how. I think her only goal is to find her man.

Hmmm, I don't know if Walt and Michael will make it out or not. I think "Henry" gave them the proper directions.
Henry being the head other was cool. Tom (Zeke) seemed to be scared of him.

There is a lot to say about tonights episode but I will leave the rest to the experts. Namely, Whidden, etc............................

Hey... I'm not reading anything in here, since it's only 1 hour in. But, I noticed something. The guy, in Desmond's flashback, that he's been in the hatch with... that guy was in Sayid's flashback, in Iraq. He's the military guy that helped Sayid learn about interrogating, and gave him the money, when they set him free.


Dang... it just gets thicker, and thicker, into the web that is being weaved.

Kates dad was in the truck with Sayid, but the handler who gave Sayid money was a different dude.


He was the bad guy from HighLander. He is also Kelvin, Desmond's hatch buddy.

Right.... Kate's dad was a different guy. He didn't have a big part in that episode. But, Kelvin did. And the dude died...


Man, this episode left me with a lot of questions. WHAT are they going to do with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer? And poor Hurley... to have to leave them there. He HATED doing that.

I officially hate Michael now, and I hope that he and Walt leave the show. Sorry.... he screwed them, completely.

From start to finish tonight, I was glued to the television set. Things answered... more things to question.

I loved getting Desmonds backstory. What a tragic love story. And the fact that he never read that letter from Pen, until he was on the island, for three years, and about to off himself.

When she found him, at the track/stadium, before his run... she made the comment after he questioned her about finding him... she's got money, and will know where he is.

I'm telling you.... somehow, these people have all interacted in each others lives, before the island, for a reason. They were manipulated there, in some way. Don't know why, or how.. but, that's my thought, still.

It's too bad that Libby died before seeing Desmond, and everything. That would have been cool. I really want more of a back story on her, and hope that someone else's flashbacks will include her, with more info. I just feel jilted that we didn't get more on her. *sigh*

Man, when Desmond turned that key... and that bright light appeared (was it just for effects?) and that noise, that was hurting everyones ears, I was just sitting here, with my jaw to the ground. The button not being pushed causes that electro-magnetic thing to happen... and that's how our people ended up crashed there. Coinsidence? I don't think so.

So, is Herny "HIM" the leader of the others? Or is there someone else, higher up that he's still afraid of?

When Sayid opened up those hatch doors, where the others had been... was it just like a false area? Just used as a "holding cell?" Was that where they were keeping Walt?

Oh, and what was that Henry was saying to Michael, while walking toward the boat, about keeping their word, and that they got more than they hoped for with Walt?

HOW are we all going to get through the summer without season three, and answers to questions, and knowing the fates of the people on the island?

I was talking to an old high school acquaintance, and he said that everything and everyone is connected somehow to Jack's father. I don't know if that's true, but it sure seems worth investigating...

I LOVE the fact that Desmond's girl Penny is looking for him, and will probably show up next season ON THE ISLAND. I'd also LOVE to hear more about who the others really are, why they are so interested in children and only "good" adults, what their current interest is in Jack, Kate and Sawyer... Also, what's the point of the "experiment" of the "Pearl" hatch? If all those logs were going to nobody..... ??

TELL ME ABOUT THE INCIDENT!!!!!!!!! WHERE THE HELL IS DHARMA AND HANSO?????


SERENITY NOW!!!!!

Why didn't Hurley beat the living hell out of Michael? Why didn't ANYONE beat the living hell out of Michael?

I was right--Henry Gale is HIM Too bad Sayid and Ana didn't kill Henry when they wanted to.

Something absolutely dreadful happened in my life. My grand-daughter graduated last night and I missed Lost........the most important episode of all. How could this have happened to me?
I love the little munchkin, but can you imagine scheduling ANYTHING on Wednesday night? I read all your entries from last night, but they only raised more questions. What great answers did they give you? I'm going to start haunting Best Buy or Circuit City until they have the complete Season 2. Yes, I could have recorded the shows, but I'm electronically challenged. I tried to record something else just to see if I could do it and I failed. It's just too hard for me. Let me know if any mysteries were solved. Thanks.

wait wait, that calvin guy was NOT kate's dad? I thought he was the one in the jeep with sayid holding the picture of Kate?

I thought the arctic dudes were tracking desmond's boat, but i guess the magentic thing makes sense. (i know a few people who missed that whole scene b/c they thought the scene with the snow was a commercial )

What was the whole wink and nod between jack and kate about? Is Sayid their plan?

If everyone had to cover their ears to protect themselves from the loud sound, wouldn't jack and kate and sawyer who couldn't, have exploded or something? haha. They atleast would have been in more pain than they looked like they were in.

Why did they let Hurley go? Are kate, jack and sawyer "good" ones or not? if they wanted "good ones" wouldn't they ask for Locke?

Best line in the show: Locke saying "i was wrong" before the big blow

Did anyone see the hanso commercial with the new website?
hansocareers.com or something? its weird. is there a point to it?

I liked the Desmond/Libby connection. It was neat that the boat was named after her.
Now we know Desmond isn't an other. I guess that is a question that was answered .
We also know that Henry is some big wig "other".
We know that Walt is alive and well. It would be nice if he had got to talk to his Dad or somebody about what happened to him. How did he appear to Shannon and Sayid???
We know that the button was necessary.
All he said was they made him take tests.
The others now know that Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Hurley know that they are wearing disguises.
I think Sayid will save them. The others will get away, etc....
Everybody being connected to Jack's Dad is a possibility. Remember Jack seeing his Dad on the island the first season? It was a ghost or in Jack's head or something. That reminds me of Mr. Ecko seeing all those images in the monster (security system thingy).

I guessed Henry was the leader of the Others on this "Dharma "message board and they laughed me outta town. I still say he is the "HIM" they refer to.

I was not satisfied with the finale as NONE of my questions were answered satisfactory. BOO-Ya!

I'm not wasting another moment speculating. Just gonna wait til next fall and see what happens.

After all, when they are rescued and we have all our answers....end of show.

My friend brought up a good point today, at work.

At the end... when all of the metal is being "pulled" toward that center, in the hatch.... we see a quarantine hatch door, dropping straight down from the sky. She doesn't think that it was the one that Locke blew open at the end of season one... because why would it go up in the air?

So, was the the same one... and the explosion, or whatever MIGHT have happened when Desmond turned the key, shot it up in the air? Or, is it pulled from another hatch?

well, the magnet was pulling stuff to it, while the system shutdown was happening, but as soon as Desmond turned the key, all bets were off.


Could have been an explosion vs. an implosion.

But, I'm tending to think they would not kill off the 3 most popular characters in the show, namely Ekko, Locke and Desmond. I think they made it, hopefully.

I think the quarantine door was meant to make us "think" the hatch exploded, and the force was so great that it blew the door to the camp. Hence, all our buds are dead.


But hopefully it's misdirection, and it just reversed the magnetic flux or some other star trek lingo.





As aside, we rewatched most of it tonight and I forgot all about the bird that looked like a dinosaur and said "Hurley". How could I forget that?!?!?!

I watched it in slow mo, looks like a giant condor or giant eagle or buzzard, or maybe some kind of dino bird. I didn't see a logo on it, like was on the shark, but it was pretty damn weird.

Also, the second time around I noticed it was detergent that Kelvin was painting the door with.



As for the four toed statue foot, I found that part just awesome, it was like some old Jason and the Argonauts, or Sinbad movie. Brought up some sub conscious weirdness, made me feel spooky as hell.


Makes you wonder how long that Island has been around.

Remember when the five (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Michael) came to that open area, and found all those cases, with the books? Right before the others started "shooting" darts, there was a whisper... and I swear it said, "Elizabeth" I mentioned that to Shannon, and she didn't know what it said. Anyone else hear that?

yeah, it said elizabeth, and I think I heard Ana Lucica, but I'm not sure. I hope they explain the whispers next season.


And get more detail on the monster.

Hey... maybe the whispers are for those souls who have passed. Or might pass soon. All I know is that it was creepy, and cool.

I really want some detail on the black smoke monster.

i heard that walt grew up and is as tall as michael now... might make things a little difficult... :/

Maybe they whispered Boone and Shannon too!!! Since those are the four that have been killed, or died.

Yep, I heard Elizabeth right off when the whispers started. The bird said Hurley.

You guys tell me what you think about this theory. I think Penny's (Desmond's girlfriend) Dad might be in on the whole thing. I was telling David I thought he was the "him" the main guy but I at least think he is involved. He was the one putting on the whole race around the world thing. He wanted to get rid of Desmond. At least I think he is the reason Desmond ended up on the Island. Penny must have discovered something about it. Enough to know what to search for to find Desmond.

Yes, her father is a part of the Hanso Corp, I believe. And she's figured out something. And she told him that she's got the money to find him, anywhere. So, I think that she's going to pin point his location, somehow, and show up on the island.

Was her name Penny, or Penelope? I couldn't remember. But, I do remember him calling her Pen.

Pen's last name was Widmore, and Widmore Industries was on the balloon that the real Henry Gale crashed in.

Ah ha... great catch, Pippin!

There's another connection to the island. There is a reason why it's all connected. But WHAT is that connection, and HOW are they are there?????

A lot of people on another site think that Pen put a tracking device or something on Desmond or his boat so that she could find him, and I think this is a good theory. Anyone think that she put one in his book?

Well, she put the letter in there. But, if she had a tracking device on him, WHY hasn't she located him in three years? Could it be that all the electromagnetic activity on the island causes it to be impossible to find that signal, and therefore she's searching for high activity, like what showed last night?

I think we are getting some answers.

Yeah, I think that the electromagnetivity messes up any outgoing/incoming signal. Well, at least it did before Desmond turned the key.

I've been trying to think of some theory about that giant bird, but I've got nothing right now. I listened again and it did say Hurley.

Anyone notice that, even though this is set on a tropical island, this is the very first bird we have seen or heard?

I thought maybe it was some sort of surveillance device. I don't know. It might be electronic or it may be like the polar bear and the black stallion. We don't know what they were.

Okay time for me to jump in, some great stuff here folks.

Anyone catch how much Des needed to fund his boat race? Don't bother it was $42,000 again one of the numbers.

The hatch door was sitting on the hatch just to the side of the entrance if the whole thing exploded then it would have shot the hatch in the air.

The bright light is something that happens in a nuclear or atomic explosion. I'm sure it was neither but we won't know until next season.

Of course the electromagnet brought down the plane.

Why can't anyone leave???? Even with the boat? Walt and Michael will be back!

The Island guys were looking for large magnetic annomilies (sp). They knew what they were looking for, they just didn't know where to look which leads me to think that the explosion was magnetic. I don't know of anything like that that exsist except a nuke or atom bomb.

Why can't anyone find the island, why can't anyone go there? Why can't anyone leave.

I don't know if I still have it recorded or I dumped it after I watch it. If I kept it I may go back and watch it again.

I didn't delete it and I'm copying it from TiVo to my PC now.

http://www.inreview.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=656269

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

I think the Island is old, really old. And full of whatever "being" or "force" that is making the e.m. stuff.


The black rock, the 4 toed statue. I think peeps have been hitting the island for years and years. The others, the Dharma group have found it recently, within the last 20 0r 30 years, but they are new comers, whatever is on the island, or whatever the island is, has been going on for a very very long time.

Magnetism, It's magnetic variation is 80 degree off north. I don't know anywhere that is that far off. Not even Rapid City South Dakota. Rapid is I think about 30 deg off due to the Black Hills.

check it:


Lockes dad is on the board of directors at the whidmore group.


More whidden! wait, whidmore, more whid. aight, enough of that.


But check the site and explore, I found Lockes dad on the board and came straight here, but have not looked around the rest of the site.


http://www.widmoregroup.com/

and yes, it's widmore, not Whidmore, I was making a silly joke.


Widmore, of course, is the rich old man that wants Desmond gone.

On the bottom of homepage for Widmore Group, it says:

Taking you places you've never imagined... Visit Oceanic World Airlines today.


Me thinks that I would like to know WHO owns Oceanic. And that it's all a part of this big mess.

Dr. Thomas W. Mittlewerk and Anthony B. Cooper (Lockes dad) are on the board of directors for Widmore Group.

Dr. Thomas W. Mittlewerk is a part the Hanso Foundation.

They are all interlinked, somehow. It's like the mafia... they have these things spread out, to look like seperate businesses, but they are all the same, and working together.

When you click on the "Privacy" link, this is at the bottom:



Disclaimer: WidmoreGroup.com is not affiliated with ABC / Touchstone Television© or Walt Disney Internet Group©.

listened to a podcast from the Lost producers and they said some interesting things:


1. We have seen the monster this season and didn't know. Presumably not the black smoke. But something else. This put everyone over at the LOST message boards in a frenzy trying to figure it out.

I think it's either the dog, or the island, take yer pick.


2. They said, next season, no re runs. In sept, we will get 6 new shows. Then nothing till february. Then in feb, till it ends, we get 17 shows in a row.

So, a fast 6 shows, long time off, then 17 in a row with no re runs.


3. They said the 4 toed foot, was part of the reveal that the Others/Dharma group have not been on the Island that long, that the island itself has a very long history.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/Whidden/Whidden%202/thefootwithfourtoes.jpg


4. They said that when Desmond turned the key, that Penny's dudes in the anartic could see the island. And that they may have seen it before, when the plane crashed during Desmonds other system meltdown.


5. They said the monster will be explained in season 3.


6. They said early in season 3, we will learn where and what the "home" of the others is.


7. They hinted that Desmond is still alive, that they wouldn't do that to Penny, kill him off like that.


8. They said we will get the major back storys on the main characters, like Locke and Jack and Hurley and Kate, not so much the other characters. Lockes wheel chair will be explained.


9. thats all I remember, I listened to it yesterday, seems like there was more stuff but I forgot.

That's awesome, Dave. Thanks! Those are some GREAT answers.

Though, I'm a bit bummed about six new eps, and NOTHING until Feb.

It's a good thing that we will have BSG, right? Otherwise... well, I won't say.

Maybe the monster is the dharma facility?

What about the bird? The didn't happen to mention that did they?

They said "we saw the monster but didn't know it was the monster". The first thing I thought of was the bright light we saw when the button wasn't pushed and the key was turned. Now I am thinking maybe the bird was part of the monster but they did not mention the bird in the pod cast.
They said the next season will focus on the main characters and their relationships. So I am thinking more love triangle action with Jack, Kate and Sawyer.
Also they specifically mentioned we will find out where Jack got his tatoos, how Locke ended up in the wheel chair and more about Kate's marriage. I didn't even remember that Kate was married.
O.K. that is all I can remember for now.

Please don't tell me the dog, I assume you mean Vincent, could be the monster.' How could such a beautiful lovable creature be any kind of a monster? If that's it, I'm done with Lost.

I don't see Vincent as the "monster" but, there is something up with him. Just don't know what.

Speaking of Vincent... I don't see Walt being willing to leave the island without his dog. So, if Michael doesn't go back to the other side, and tell 'em what happened... he might try to get the dog back.

Didn't they say they can never go back to the island once they leave? if they come back to the island of death for the dog i'm throwing my shoe at the tv everytime michael and walt show up.

I will have to rewatch that.... because I didn't hear them state that they couldn't come back. Besides, just leaving that section in the boat doesn't mean that they are leaving, right?

I watched the last half our of the finale. They did say that they could never go back to the island.

Okay... well, maybe that's if they follow the course which "Henry" gave him. But, will he? Or, will he just follow the island around to the other side? After all, Desmond never left. So, unless you're on that course that was told to them, do you think that it's possible? Or, could they be setting Michael up for failure?

I think if there is a possibility of getting off the island Michael would have to follow that course exactly.
Did Jack , Kate, Sawyer, etc...hear the course "Henry" gave Michael? If so and they get away from the others and get back to Desmond's boat. They could also sail that same course.

You know, I have no idea what they could, and couldn't hear. I think that's why "Henry" walked Michael toward the boat though... so that they wouldn't hear the conversation.

maybe that's why the other's stopped them with the fishing boat. They couldn't let them get away. hmmmm. Maybe Henry was just trying to scare them into thinking they can never come back.

Good point... but, what course were they on? If not the correct one, could they have gotten away in the first place?

Let's think about he monster a bit. Whatever it is it's big. It grabbed the pilot and pulled him up out of the cockpit that was in the trees. It would move the forest as it moved. and the noise? It grabbed others as well. Like when it was pulling Locke down the hole before Jack saved him.

I'll have to think about it more, since they say we've seen the monster but didn't recoginze it.

Can it assume different forms? Or, are there multiple monsters?

The monster must have been the big white light. First it was black fog, now white light. what else could it be?

unless the big foot was the monster turned into statue. hahaha like remember in super mario bros 3 when you had the racoon power, you could turn yourself into a statue? I THINK I SOLVED THE LOST MYSTERY WITH THAT ONE!

Maybe the monster IS the island itself.

Hey, great thought, illuminate. What if it was the white light? Who knows?

I think that many people have thought that it was the island itself, Ron.

I just know that it will be cool to get the answer to this.

I was just reading on another board, in fact it boast this

the one that they thought was sayid sending the smoke signal? hmmmmmm

Oh that's right... the smoke signal. Never did we see that Sayid MADE the fire to send up the smoke. And they don't show him walking around and mumbling.. "Man, where are they!" VERY GOOD POINT!!!!

two pentegons, and a t shaped building. I don't reconise them. The roads around them remind me of the rivers on the blast door map, but I checked them, and they are all wavy lines, that's it.

They don't line up or nothing.

I did think the monster was the white light. Then I thought it might be the bird.
The monster being the island itself is a good theory though. In the pod cast somone asked why we hadn't seen the monster lately. The answer was that they had not had time to cover everything in the last few episodes. As an after thought one of the guys said. Well, we have really seen the monster you just didn't know it was the monster. The other guy says ha ha yeah thats true, thats a good point.
So it is something we see that we think is not the monster but it is.

Unless it's one of those "man behind the curtain" things... like Zeke or Henry is controlling the monster so if we see him, we are actually SEEING THEEEEE MONSTER. Ya know?

I don't know... thinking about Lost too much makes my head hurt

I read an interesting point on another board. Penny answering the phone, and the two dudes in the polar region, are the first time the show has shown anyone off the the Island in real life.


(in real time that is, we have seen plenty of flashbacks to the real world, but never in real time)

Very true, Dave. I wonder if we will start to see anything else, not in flashback form, off of the island... like say, ummmmmmmmm... Hanso Corp?

Maybe we will see the monkey, Joop, or whatever his name is.

I hope they explain hanso corp a tad more. I still have no idea what it is or what it's point is.

I'd assume that they would tell us about hanso once the show nears its end. Especially since we don't even know why the other's are faking their rags.

are they trying to make us forget the "numbers" and their relevance b/c there really isn't an answer behind that?

I would think (don't want to assume) that this show will last at least five years so we may not have some answers for a while. I think they are trying to appease the protesting fans though and give us some answers. I think the way some shows handle this is having a mystery that is solved every week or two and have some that you have to wait a long time to get the answer. I think the problem with Lost is that the show is nothing but mystery. For example..........with a soap opera you get to enjoy the beautiful clothes, the love stories, the relationships, etc... Another example with Alias and a lot of other shows they have a case to solve every week that gets solved but the relationships between the characters continues for years. With the show 24 it is an intense roller coaster ride all season but you definitely get closure at the end of the season. Anyway, enough with this rant. I am not saying it is bad just different than any show I have watched before. I think it would be so awesome to discover Lost in a few years and watch all the seasons at once.

True - but LOST writers must remember what happened to Alias. They rarely gave us answers to stuff and it caused the fan base to drop - we got tired of not getting answers. I definitely stopped watching for a couple of seasons. I dvr'd the last 6 eps and I still haven't watched them. BUT I WILL! I just hope Lost answers atleast a couple BIG mysteries soon.

Yeah, this is planned to be a 4-5 year show I bet, which blows because I feel like nothing will be explained until the last ep for some reason. That's a bad feeling to have.

I think in order to keep the fan base steady or growing for that matter, they'll have to develop a more civilized community on the island and expand on their relationships. The flashbacks are neat, but sometimes they're just filler, especially when our characters end up dead it makes those episodes seem like a waiste of time. I want to see them put their heads together and build tree forts, traps for their enemies, and things of that nature. The Church was a good idea, and I was looking forward to seeing that completed, but I guess we'll have to wait until next season. It would be cool to see Locke, Ecko, and Charlie finish that bugger in a few weeks. I don't see how this show could last much longer than 3 or 4 years with the way time goes by. Walt will be all grown up by his 4th month on the island (if he comes back). Aaron will be walking and talking. Okay, I'm going off on a tangent here.

I don't think that they are filler... rather, I find that they are trying to build the characters, so that we know more about them. I think that we will start seeing more interaction, and more building of them, as a community, etc...

I wasn't very happy with the Alias finale. Seemed kind of silly to me. It was o.k., but it could have been done better.

I think all the good writers on that show, moved over to LOST, and they got left with the remnants. The end of Alias was a little cool, but it got sorta goofy and far out, almost like a Star Wars movie.

well I heard that none of the main people except maybe jack and kate and sawyer, and maybe a few second rate ones, are returning next season. so really, all the flashbacks of those that leave are meaningless. I like the characters on the show. I don't think they should get rid of them. If they want to incorporate the other people on the island that are just in the background, FINE, but don't get rid of everyone else.

I think Boone would have been a really good character to keep. He had a lot of fans. He was also a pretty boy. I posted some pictures of him and Kate together in the Lost pictures thread and they make a gorgeous couple. I don't think the actor was happy about leaving either.

Post from another board, (credit to "I am the monster")