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| Posted by: hazel_dragoneye | | By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour
WASHINGTON - Nearly half of the nation's children under 5 are racial or ethnic minorities, and the percentage is increasing mainly because the Hispanic population is growing so rapidly, according to a census report released today.
Hispanics are the nation's largest and fastest-growing minority group. They accounted for 49 percent of the country's growth from 2004 to 2005, the report shows. And the increase in young children is largely a Hispanic story, driving 70 percent of the growth in children younger than 5. Forty-five percent of U.S. children younger than 5 are minorities.
The new numbers offer a preview of demographic shifts to come, with broad implications for the nation's schools, workforce and Social Security.
One in three Americans is now a member of a minority group, a share that is bound to rise, because the non-Hispanic white population is older and growing much more slowly. The country already is engaged in a national debate about how government should respond to growing immigration, legal and illegal.
Glimpse into the future
In some parts of the country, the transformation is more visible than in others. Large swaths of the upper Midwest are still mainly non-Hispanic white. But minorities are a majority of children younger than 5 in the Washington area, according to previously released census numbers. That is also true in Miami, Houston, Los Angeles and other high-immigration regions.
William H. Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution, predicted that the United States will have "a multicultural population that will probably be more tolerant, accommodating to other races and more able to succeed in a global economy."
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There could be increased competition for money and power, he added: "The older, predominantly white baby-boom generations will need to accommodate younger, multiethnic young adults and child populations in civic life, political decisions and sharing of government resources" in places such as the Washington suburbs.
In some suburban communities, government officials face a cultural generation gap as they weigh demands from older white residents for senior citizen centers, transportation and other aid against requests from younger, mainly minority residents for translation assistance, preschools and other services.
Emphasis on early education
Experts say immigrant families are becoming more concerned with the quality of their children's early education, aware that it can affect their future academic success. That is one reason there is a waiting list at the Child and Family Network Centers, a preschool in Alexandria.
The centers, which also operate a preschool in Arlington, provide free and subsidized preschools for about 200 children from low-income families. They serve many immigrants, including those who don't qualify for other programs. The waiting list is 150 children long. Eight out 10 speak English as a second language, and 70 percent are Latino.
"Oh, here's the chrysalis," said teacher Maria Cruz, pointing to a picture in a book as 4- and 5-year-olds crowded around her for story time yesterday. "Every day, the chrysalis looks the same -- we can't see anything happening, but inside, something is happening."
Emely Lopez, 5, raised her hand and pointed to a real butterfly cocoon in a container by the window. "Hay una alli" -- there's one there -- she said in Spanish, pointing at it. Cruz nodded encouragingly.
"Yes," she replied in English, "it's the same thing we have happening here."
In the next room, bilingual signs displayed the English and Spanish words for "computer," "rest time" and "snack." Across the hall, a group of children sang a song in Spanish.
Cruz said she has seen a huge difference in children's abilities from when they start the program and when they move on to kindergarten. She pointed at a 5-year-old girl from Mexico who was prattling about butterflies in English: Last year, Cruz said, "she came with zero English -- zero."
[B]No end to trend in sight
William O'Hare, a senior fellow at the Annie E. Casey Foundation, said he is not sure the country is prepared to provide the extra help that immigrants' children often need to become well-educated workers and the future supporters of retirement programs for a predominantly white elderly population. Some Americans, he said, will not welcome the news that minorities are nearly the majority among young children.
"Part of the people will see this and say, 'Gee, these kids are really our future parents and workers, and we need to take care of them,' " O'Hare said. "The other would say it is time to send them all home."
The census figures show that the number of Hispanic and Asian children younger than 5 grew by double-digit percentages since 2000. The number of black children grew more slowly. The number of non-Hispanic white children younger than 5 declined for two years this decade before increasing again.
The nation's Asian population growth still is dominated by immigration, the census report shows, but among Hispanics, births added more to the population growth than immigrants did this decade.
That means the growth trend among the youngest Hispanics "is only going to accelerate under almost any scenario you can think about, even without immigration," said demographer Jeffrey S. Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center. "As the children age, they are the ones who in 20 years will be having children." | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: whisperpoint | | Minorities = filthy children?
I think anyone would be horrified by the thought of you supporting a child. I am sure they do not expect you to support a child and that you should not be in the same city with a child. I doubt that anyone has any expectations of you. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Yep, sometimes, you just have to wonder how it is that comments/attitudes like that get by unnoticed and uncensored. It's mind boggling. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Let me ask you something, Mrs., Ms., or Mr., Hazel Dragoneye, (whichever person is using your ID today),
Do you have a problem with all immigrants, or do you only have a problem with immigrants who are not light skinned? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: hazel_dragoneye | | Ok forget I ever said anything about it. What do you think of the article itself?
When I typed that reply I was angry at something else. Who knows why I typed it. I am sorry if it offended you or anything. You can delete it if you would like. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Personally, I have a problem with people who come here, ILLEGALLY. I don't care WHAT country they are from. I don't want to have to support them, or their children. So, in a sense, I understand where you're coming from Hazel. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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hazel_dragoneye said this in post #2 :
Yes, the minorites breed like rabbits and they expect us to support their filithy children.
If you want to read the rest of the article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12680174/ |
No offense, that comes off as a pretty ignorant comment.
Want to see breeding like rabbits? Take a trip to Utah and get back to me.
-HECK!
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Okay, now I can understand a person's dismay over illegal immigrants, but this article is clearly talking about minorities, not just illegal immigrants. There is a huge difference, and although you have recanted your "filthy children" statement, which I commend you for, I still cannot tell whether you dislike illegal Hispanic immigrants, or just Hispanics in general. I have never met a child whom I considered anything less than beautiful, nor have I met a minority who wasn't as filthy as some of my fellow Caucasians.
I could be wrong. God knows, I'm wrong about a lot of things, apparently, but I somehow thought we were living in the 21st century. So, if we have to walk on eggshells to not upset some social and lifestyle minorities, why should someone else's nationality or skin color fall under different human rights guidelines because their presence pisses off the almighty Caucasian?
Life didn't begin in North America. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | I agree, whole-heartedly, with you. There are too many people that judge, or dislike, based on the way a person looks (whether it be a skin color, weight, height, sex, dress, etc...) and I swear that we ALL in this world, need to GROW UP and stop judging people for these reasons.
We shouldn't have to walk on social eggshells... we should be able to speak... but, be respectful as well.
For me, I just want to have people here legally... nothing more, nothing less. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | One thing: If minorities are breeding like rabbits....how come they are still called minorities? What is happening to the progeny of these minorities if that is the case? Rabbits breed like they do because their lifespan is short. So, again, what is happening to these 'illegals,' 'minorities' offspring?
Leads to another: I find it hypocritical, at best, for anyone other than the indigenous natives of North and South America to be upset about 'illegals' 'minorities' living in the USA.
Another: We may as well change the moniker of the Statue of Liberty to:
Bring me your homeless, your indigent, your white trash...but do NOT allow Mexicans into our country.
Another: So where was the outcry when each of our predecessors came from foreign lands? As 2nd generation European ... I still wonder why the majority of white Americans even worry about immigration in the first place...
Because another.... the USA is only a little older than 200 years old...and people are griping about immigration...IMO who cares? I just feel blessed that as a 2nd generation European I live here.
And for the record...I think Bush's plans are reasonable. It isn't amnesty. It is a hand reaching out to poor folk stuck in a wretched life in Mexico who want to better their way of living.
Either tear down the Statue of Liberty and all it stands for or stop griping. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Sure we DO have a right to be upset when people are living here, illegally. Live here, legally, and pay taxes, like we all do. I bust my butt, to make a living. It might not be much... but, I pay taxes... over $1000.00 per month. I have NO choice. But, it goes to help out taking care of my city, and my state, and other things. I have medical insurance, and I pay to see my doctor. I pay for my meds. I don't get things for free.
I don't care who you are, or where you're from. You have the right to be here... but, do it legally. I've wanted to live in other countries... but, because I couldn't get citizenship, I didn't go there, and live, illegally. It just seem like the "right" thing to do. I respect the law. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I think it is unreasonable for such representatives like our own homegrown representative Tom Tancredo from Littleton to want to make it a felony for being an illegal immigrant.
Again, I think Bush's plan is reasonable...that there be a path to citizenship for those who are here. And I would rather have the national guard in Texas, NM, and CA guarding our borders than in Iraq and Afganistan and other places as 'Peacekeepers' and guardians of foreign lands.
There is no precedent for making illegals felons, and not only is it unreasonable...the very notion of making illegals felons is unlawful in itself. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Flutterbywingz, Lawless and nikiTa, all well said.
It's no secret that the stigma of 'illegal immigrant' has been branded on hispanics, Mexicans for the most part. That right there shows that this isn't so much an illegal alien problem, it's an American/Mexican thing and it's getting out of hand. That being said, it's becoming more and more difficult for Mexicans to gain legal citizenship without crossing the border illegally, which begets more border hoping, which increases the problem.
Canadians, Japanese, British, French, German, Dutch, etc. don't have a problem, probably never will.
-HECK! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | If they come here, without applying for citizenship, and don't pay taxes, then yes, they are a criminal. No, they aren't a "hardened" criminal, killing people, or something... but, they are stealing, none-the-less, because they aren't paying taxes, etc...
I don't know if I fully agree with Bush's plan... but, I guess that we should give it a try and see if it works.
Maybe I would feel a little better about all of this if I wasn't such a damn hard worker, who pays my taxes like Joe Schmoe, but gets treated differently because of who I love... yet, someone can just breeze in here, from another country and pretty much get whatever they want. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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HECK! said this in post #16 :
Flutterbywingz, Lawless and nikiTa, all well said.
It's no secret that the stigma of 'illegal immigrant' has been branded on hispanics, Mexicans for the most part. That right there shows that this isn't so much an illegal alien problem, it's an American/Mexican thing and it's getting out of hand. That being said, it's becoming more and more difficult for Mexicans to gain legal citizenship without crossing the border illegally, which begets more border hoping, which increases the problem.
Canadians, Japanese, British, French, German, Dutch, etc. don't have a problem, probably never will.
-HECK! |
Like I said... I don't care WHERE they are from. To me, it isn't about "hispanics" but rather, about immigrants from ANY country. If an American wants to move to another country, they can't just do it. You have to be sponsored by a company, or give a huge sum of money, to gain that citizenship. America doesn't do that. I would LOVE to leave the USA, and live in Australia, or England. Isn't going to happen though.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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HECK! said this in post #16 :
Flutterbywingz, Lawless and nikiTa, all well said.
It's no secret that the stigma of 'illegal immigrant' has been branded on hispanics, Mexicans for the most part. That right there shows that this isn't so much an illegal alien problem, it's an American/Mexican thing and it's getting out of hand. That being said, it's becoming more and more difficult for Mexicans to gain legal citizenship without crossing the border illegally, which begets more border hoping, which increases the problem.
Canadians, Japanese, British, French, German, Dutch, etc. don't have a problem, probably never will.
-HECK! |
I do remember in my History books that the Irish were branded as scum when they first came to America.
And also I remember having been born in rural Illinois that people complained and branded the Mexican immigrants with horrible names back in the 1970's. These people sweated it out in the corn fields detassling and picking asparagus. And my racist family made horrible jokes about these people.
So, the statement in the first post that there are few Mexicans in the upper midwest is a full blown lie. I grew up with these people and my family thought we were above such people picking asparagus and detassling corn and they had me work as as a teenager as cashier in a grocery store because in their minds I was above working in the fields.
And I would walk into the produce section and wonder...how is my job selling groceries a step up from the ones who harvested the produce?
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #19 :
I do remember in my History books that the Irish were branded as scum when they first came to America.
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History is painted by each country. I NEVER truly believe what is put in those books, because each "side" sees things in a different view. It's tainted.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | The Irish were beat up, stabbed, raped and/or murdered in the streets. They couldn't get jobs and many were forced into military service. And they were legal immingrants. That is historical fact. 'Gangs Of New York' tells quite a tale.
They were treated like scum of the Earth and would have begged to be treated like illegals are now.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | It's truly horrible how human beings treat each other. It's as if we think that we're all elitists, and no one but who WE think belongs, should be in a particular place. It's really pathetic if you think about it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | But to be truthful, it was an immigrant thing, but also a Catholic immigrant thing. The Protestants hated them the most.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | So, Lawless, are you saying that it is a lie that the Irish encountered such difficulties?
Your statement does indeed bring me to another observation I would like to make. It seems it's the poor who are given a rough ride in this country.
I remember working at Coors and working in the executive area when a wealthy Mexican was given a working VISA and took the short road to citizenship. He got such a pass because first of all, he was educated and wealthy and also because he was sponsered by Pete Coors who at the time was running for the US Senate.
I can't imagine there was much outcry about the wealthy Mexican gaining citizenship...in fact there wasn't...
but again, how is it that a salesperson/liasson for the Hispanics was given such an easy entry?...how is it that the poor folks picking asparagus and working in the fields are given such hard difficulties?
And most of all, why isn't there an outcry about the owners of such fields, restaurants, and hotels hiring people they know are in the country illegally?
Why aren't the wealthy owners penalized? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Doesn't make it right. Then again, what a surprise to find that religion is behind it. It seems that a lot of the time, religion fuels a fire into a "war" and I'm not slamming any religion... but, there are certain groups who just feel so above and beyond anyone else, and tolerate NOTHING. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #24 :
So, Lawless, are you saying that it is a lie that the Irish encountered such difficulties?
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Reread what I said. It's not a lie... but, I'm saying that all sides write their own version of "history"
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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HECK! said this in post #23 :
But to be truthful, it was an immigrant thing, but also a Catholic immigrant thing. The Protestants hated them the most.
-HECK! |
I still believe it was a wealthy/poor issue. Because the Irish were undergoing a potato famine and the people in Ireland were dying of hunger.
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #24 :
So, Lawless, are you saying that it is a lie that the Irish encountered such difficulties?
Your statement does indeed bring me to another observation I would like to make. It seems it's the poor who are given a rough ride in this country.
I remember working at Coors and working in the executive area when a wealthy Mexican was given a working VISA and took the short road to citizenship. He got such a pass because first of all, he was educated and wealthy and also because he was sponsered by Pete Coors who at the time was running for the US Senate.
I can't imagine there was much outcry about the wealthy Mexican gaining citizenship...in fact there wasn't...
but again, how is it that a salesperson/liasson for the Hispanics was given such an easy entry?...how is it that the poor folks picking asparagus and working in the fields are given such hard difficulties?
And most of all, why isn't there an outcry about the owners of such fields, restaurants, and hotels hiring people they know are in the country illegally?
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You're right... it's the people who DONT have the money that get it the hardest. Those with money can do whatever they want... and the rest of us just struggle to survive.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Lawless:" You're right... it's the people who DONT have the money that get it the hardest. Those with money can do whatever they want... and the rest of us just struggle to survive."
And this ties into Hecks post in the DaVinci forum...the PTB's seem to think they are running the world, well they aren't, but they sure make it difficult for the ones who walked away from such wealth and say "Keep your damned job." I'd rather work a menial job, or follow through chasing my own dreams without the help from the PTB's. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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HECK! said this in post #16 :
Flutterbywingz, Lawless and nikiTa, all well said.
It's no secret that the stigma of 'illegal immigrant' has been branded on hispanics, Mexicans for the most part. That right there shows that this isn't so much an illegal alien problem, it's an American/Mexican thing and it's getting out of hand. That being said, it's becoming more and more difficult for Mexicans to gain legal citizenship without crossing the border illegally, which begets more border hoping, which increases the problem.
Canadians, Japanese, British, French, German, Dutch, etc. don't have a problem, probably never will.
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but they are not coming here by the Millions with no real skills now are they? The larger problem is that so many of them are unwilling to learn the language and want to make this country bend to their culture instead of learning our language and ways. It is a fundamental lack of respect for our country and our laws.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Good point Sherryzod....
but again, where is the culpability of the wealthy owners in such a scenario? The immigrants are merely filling a need in this country and really only know what they are allowed to do.
Besides, if you live in France...you best well know the language there or they will thumb their nose at you as well. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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Sherryzod said this in post #30 :
but they are not coming here by the Millions with no real skills now are they? The larger problem is that so many of them are unwilling to learn the language and want to make this country bend to their culture instead of learning our language and ways. It is a fundamental lack of respect for our country and our laws. |
And THAT, I have a HUGE problem with! Like I've said, time and time again... if I moved to another country, I'm damn well not going to go around speaking english, and expecting others to know my language. I need to know theirs.
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #31 :
Good point Sherryzod....
but again, where is the culpability of the wealthy owners in such a scenario? The immigrants are merely filling a need in this country and really only know what they are allowed to do.
Besides, if you live in France...you best well know the language there or they will thumb their nose at you as well. |
IF I were to move to France, I would learn how to speak french beforehand. If I was to move to Germany, I would learn to speak german. It's called respecting their country, and their culture.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | OH I believe that the business owners who hire illegals should be the ones to pay. Cut off the jobs, and then see how many come here. At the least we should issue greencards and make the employers pay them a decent wage. Know who is coming here at least.
Illegals have ruined much of the contruction trades in Southern California because they work for below minimum wage and the employers do not pay medical or wc insurance on them. Try to find a carpenter, painter or dry wall person here who is legal. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I for one think the Spanish language is beautiful....and I don't mind widening my horizons and speaking with them in their beautiful language.
American education is lazy...Americans are lazy...give an American (adult or child or teenager) a map of the world...and the majority have no idea where Belarus or even Tanzania is located. (Present company excluded here. ) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | I don't have a problem with learning another language... but, when it's EXPECTED, I have a problem with that.
And I agree... the majority of people, growing up in America, are lazy where education is concerned. They don't WANT to learn, and that's a shame. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Yes, we Americans live in a bubble for the most part.
But in Europe it is expected you learn other languages because of their close proximity. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Right... and I would give anything to have grown up in England, and had an education there. I'm so impressed with one of our members (peregr!n) and her intelligence. She's lives in S. England, and is just finishing her upper grades (high school for us), and she knows a lot. That is how we should have been here. I don't know what happened to our education system. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Right on the nose Lawless. Right on the nose.
This is why Green Day and their CD "American Idiot" is so precious.
It is amazing to me how so many stupid people can live in this country and live so high on the hog. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #39 :
It is amazing to me how so many stupid people can live in this country and live so high on the hog. |
Like, ummmmmmmm... President Bush! 
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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Lawless said this in post #38 :
That is how we should have been here. I don't know what happened to our education system. |
I think it's easier for the powers that be to lead stupid sheeple who run around voting for such a dimwit president when the sheeple haven't a clue about the rest of the world.
It's called 'social engineering' and it's been the downfall of this nation...
It's so very easy to lead sheeple when they are under MK (mind Kontrol.)
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Seems Lawless we thought of the same thing at the same time.
Methinks we are not as easily led as the sheeple.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Everyone has made some good, valid points, especially Lawless regarding the taxation issues. In that respect, anyone who does not take the legal path to obtaining American citizenship is most certainly breaking the laws of the land.
I can understand the language barrier, however, if I am not mistaken, the U.S. has never declared an official language. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | True, the US has never "declared" an official language... though, english is what you will find, throughout the entire land. Yes, there are other languages here, but, for the most part, english is the main language. So, that's pretty much a declaration.
Right, not paying taxes is illegal. So, if you don't pay taxes, you go to jail... or, if you aren't a citizen of this country, you are deported. So, the bottom line is, live here, legally, and pay taxes like we all do, or don't live here. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | I apologize if I am becoming an annoyance, but speaking of what falls into the laws of any country, I don't think it is up to the citizens to declare an official language. A declaration, such as that, has to be passed by congress, which, thus far, hasn't happened. President Bush has only recently considered making English the official language. The majority doesn't rule based on wishes alone. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I would have to agree with you flutterbywingz on your post above.
The Mexican immigration issue reared its ugly head when I was a teenager in the 1970's and I don't remember Nixon, Ford, Carter or even the other lameskulls making such an assertion to have English a mandate.
It's only an issue because we have decided to go to war in foreign lands for oil and globalization (read NWO) and the immigration issue is a big diversion from the malfeasance of 9-11 and beyond.
Smokescreens like the immigration issue I can see right through. Just like when in year 2000 trade with China began irregardless of human rights issues in China... while we were at home wondering who really won the presidential race. People now aren't all up in arms over the fact that Abu Gharabs and torture of Middle Eastern people are occuring every day round the clock. What will it take for people to realize that a Holocaust is happening right before our very eyes. How many years did the world sit and watch Jews being exterminated and look away? And nothing really was made of the Cole Navy ship being blown to bits in December of 2000 either. Just more and more TV propaganda about who was to be our president.
Currently there is a Holocaust occuring today in Africa...and do we hear these things in our network or cable news? No, but $12.95 per month and a sirius satellite receiver will open our eyes to the genocide in Africa and the human rights atrocities that are going on right this very minute in our warrantless military prisons. And like that old saying: first they came for the xxx, then they came for the xxxx, and then they came for the xxxxx and now they come after folks like me and you. I mean do we have to rely on brave men like Bono of U2 to make Africa a big deal...how many liveaid concerts is it going to take?
When are people going to wake up out of their slumber and social engineering mind Kontrol through the media and the "Dept of Edumecation" and actually admit these days are not unlike sitting back and letting Hitler do his thing?
I mean do you really think that moving to America from a poverty situation in your homeland warrants a felony offense?
Maybe that is why our inept governor in Colorado is paving our roads with oil and building all those prisons. Because when it is all said and done...the roads better be smooth when more and more people are put in the klinker for such "offences" as trying to make a better living for their family and the wealthy sit back and are awarded cheap labor...they sit back and laugh at our reactions. The rest of the world not only laughs at our politics and military might, but are horrified.
Has anyone remembered a time like the past two months when hundreds of thousands of people lined up in the streets over an issue? I remember. It was the civil rights issues with MLK and the Vietnam war.
Have we not learned anything since the 1960's??? Have we not learned anything since the 1930's and 1940's? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Yes, however, Bono is only influential to those who are moved by the actions of celebrity, and not real word issues. For example, what goes on in Africa is very near and dear to the hearts of people, including myself, who have been more than involved in making a difference, long before Bono had anything to say on the matter.
Doing charity work with and for World Vision, opens a person's eyes quickly as to who is involved because a celebrity touts the idea, and those who are, and have been, in it for the long-haul. Bono, for some reason, is more known for his African efforts than Bob Geldof is, although, it makes no sense to me, since Bono was introduced to the cause by Bob Geldof. I guess Bob Geldof isn't "hot" enough to leave a lasting impression.
Regarding the issue at hand, I agree with you that some people, like the Mexicans, flee to the American dream for a better life. They are escaping so much poverty, and to hear people on their high horses say that only English-speaking white folks are entitled to a life of freedom, is, well, less than the good old fashioned fundamental "Christian" American way. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | | Being both American and Canadian, accents and languages remind me of how large and small the world really is. I think those reminders are important. Without them, North America develops the delusional idea that we are the entire world. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | Right now there are estimates as high as 40,000,000 illegal aliens here. Most of them are here because they were hired by U.S. employers. Those employers hired the illegals because they will work for sub-standard wages, which results in higher corporate profits.
The Bush plan includes the legal requirement that all guest workers be paid the U.S. federal prevailing wage. How many of the 40,000,000 low wage illegals will be laid off when the requirement kicks in to double or triple their wages? I would think at least half would lose their jobs.
It seems to me that the Bush plan has it both ways. First it opens the door to guest workers. Then it requires that they be paid so much that nobody will hire them.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Well if they are forced to go to prevailing wage, then it will be a big boost for the construction industry in Southern California. Many men have lost their jobs because of the hiring of illegals.
The problem is that these employers pay their workers off the books. There needs to be INS who go undercover as undocumented workers and bust these businesses. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Well, someone has to do the work on our beautiful houses with beautiful lawns and clean our commodes at work, harvest our vegetable fields, make the burritos, work fast food etc etc etc.
The INS is on it. I worked at Target over 3 years ago when I wanted to get out of my field of work (IT in NWO military industrial complex). I unloaded the trucks from 11:00pm-8:00am. I was the only gringa working that very physical job in the middle of the night to early morning.
The INS came and put a halt to all of their jobs and the HR manager who not only hired me but all these folks with false social security numbers. The woman was demoted and forced to work at a different store.
At that time as well, I worked another 40 hours per week at Radio Shack. I ate at the local mexican food joint for lunch every day and had a conversation with the hiring manager at the restaurant.
She said the INS does frequent firings of their cooks. And then the next day, they hire these folks back and they come back with completely different social security numbers within one day.
Then the INS comes back again after 6 months, and makes them fire these workers again. And then the same scenario above occurs ad nauseum.
And I asked her why does she hire them back...don't you get penalized?
She said no. Now, this occurred post 9-11 when jobs were scarce and executives and upper management were losing their jobs. And the hiring manager said "what American who had made 100K or even 40k per year would lower themselves to make burritos at $10.00 per hour?...and what American is going to work as hard as they do?"
About the construction trade...it sounds like construction workers in S. California do not have unions. Colorado still has electrical, drywall, mason, welding etc Unions strong enough to ensure a higher wage and do not have the problems construction workers have in California.
But again...who is going to "lower" themselves like I did after making alot of money and decide to work 2 40hour jobs to survive?
Most people would rather lose their houses, cars, boats, jewelry and go on food stamps than work menial jobs for no money. Most people are too prideful or don't have the stamina I had working on my feet 80 hours per week. | | Reply To this Message
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Yes, however, Bono is only influential to those who are moved by the actions of celebrity, and not real word issues. For example, what goes on in Africa is very near and dear to the hearts of people, including myself, who have been more than involved in making a difference, long before Bono had anything to say on the matter.
Doing charity work with and for World Vision, opens a person's eyes quickly as to who is involved because a celebrity touts the idea, and those who are, and have been, in it for the long-haul. Bono, for some reason, is more known for his African efforts than Bob Geldof is, although, it makes no sense to me, since Bono was introduced to the cause by Bob Geldof. I guess Bob Geldof isn't "hot" enough to leave a lasting impression.
One sad thing about these liveaid type concerts is that the food does not make it to these hungry and dying Africans. After liveaid, all the of the grain they shipped out was destroyed and did not make it into any mouths of these poor starving people. Can anyone here imagine having to trek 5 miles to get water for their families at a water well while risking their lives from gunshots or rapists?
Also, I get alot of information on the internet regarding Israel. A couple of months ago, the Jerusalem Post sent me an email encouraging me to prompt George Bush to send troops to Sudan to stop the human rights atrocities.
And I wrote back: "Why do you want to send troops to Sudan? Do you have any idea how insane that is? Do you not already see what is happening in the Middle East? Why don't you encourage Christian missionaries to go to Africa and give these people food and help them with medical needs?"
And then a friend shows me a copy of the Onion newspaper. It is a parody of today's headlines. The Onion had on their frontpage: Christians send 1,000,000 Bibles to Sudan...and the picture beneath showed starving women and children. What are our priorties, Christians? Where are our priorities???
Regarding the issue at hand, I agree with you that some people, like the Mexicans, flee to the American dream for a better life. They are escaping so much poverty, and to hear people on their high horses say that only English-speaking white folks are entitled to a life of freedom, is, well, less than the good old fashioned fundamental "Christian" American way. |
Yes, per my plea above...sending Bibles to illiterate people, or to people who speak Swahili...what real good is that? It's empty. Pure emptiness. We really need a wake up call. It's mocking God to see hungry people and people dying of AIDS and then think that sending 1 million Bibles is going to help. As well, as Flutterbywingz indicated....what good is it when we sit back and reap the lap of luxury and complain when starving people cross our borders and want help? People can harp about the legalities of their actions, but the bottom line is..."Christians" turning their backs to these people and complaining about the plight of these people really makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I began reading the book The Irresistible Revolution: living as an ordinary radical by Shane Clairborne.
Shortly after reading 1/4 of the book and writing the posts about love in the Matrix thread...I decided to quit my job with the military industrial complex. It hasn't been easy for me since...it is testing my faith believe me.
But somewhere God has planted a seed in my heart...showing me that my condo worth 6 figures and my leather seated sports car, my 60,000 dollars worth of musical creation and recording equipment doesn't have quite the allure that it once had.
And somewhere in my heart He has planted the notion through the book above and the book by Mother Theresa Simple Path that has made me remember the statement of Jesus to a wealthy man: Sell all that you have and give it to the poor I have no idea what is ahead of me. But I know WHO holds tomorrow...
and there has been extreme spiritual and physical warfare made against me since me quitting that job and my new insights since. This warfare reared its ugly head 8 weeks ago when I was on this forum. Just know that it was me in the middle of massive spiritual and physical warfare that made those alarming posts 2 months ago. God has a way of restoring people...those who have made decisions that go against this world's viewpoint....I thank Him that He is restoring me in the midst of some heavy decisions. | | Reply To this Message
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The problem is that these employers pay their workers off the books. There needs to be INS who go undercover as undocumented workers and bust these businesses. |
I have heard that it is very hard to bust the businesses because the illegals have forged documents, and the employers cannot be held responsible for knowing the true status.
I have also heard that since congress passed the bill a couple weeks ago, it has sent a signal throughout Latin America that is being interpreted as an unconditional welcome to the U.S., and therefore, the illegal entry rate has skyrocketed.
Maybe they will come here and just stay illegal rather than sign up for the guest worker program since doing so may price them out of a job.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | EUCLID: I have heard that it is very hard to bust the businesses because the illegals have forged documents, and the employers cannot be held responsible for knowing the true status.
I have also heard that since congress passed the bill a couple weeks ago, it has sent a signal throughout Latin America that is being interpreted as an unconditional welcome to the U.S., and therefore, the illegal entry rate has skyrocketed.
Maybe they will come here and just stay illegal rather than sign up for the guest worker program since doing so may price them out of a job.
EUCLID...don't think for a moment that these employers don't know who they are hiring. I gave a true life example above of employers hiring back those with forged documents. Again, beat up the poor people and blame it on them. We Amerikkkans are very good at blaming others for our actions.
For example: Native Americans are savages, let's take their land and kill their buffalo, give them blankets tainted with small pox.
9-11 inside job: Let's blame the mass murder on OBL because after all he turned against the USA and our CIA after we trained and funded him against the Soviets 20 some odd years ago.
WWII: We don't have to do anything about the Jews and others being murdered in concentration camps UNTIL after we were attacked at Pearl Harbor.
Vietnam War: We blame that on the "nasty slimy" Commies who want to turn Vietnam into a Commie stronghold.
Iraq and Afghanistan wars (Operations not wars...pardon for the truespeak):
Sonny George W wants and even communicates that he wants to start up where his Daddy failed in 1991...having nothing to do with 9-11.
Slavery: It takes a Civil war and one dead president to stop heinous slavery on our continent. And 200 or so years later...marches for civil rights and brave women like Rosa Parks say "no" to sitting in the back of the bus. While we today talk about the Blacks as being less than because they wind up in prisons because many have no way to survive but to sell drugs in a gang.
I could go on for days about how Americans can demonize a people like the Hispanic immigrants as we Americans have bought into since the creation of this "more perfect union."
Demonize others: It's U.S. versus them. We need a reason to be so unkind to others. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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nikiTa said this in post #56 :
EUCLID: I have heard that it is very hard to bust the businesses because the illegals have forged documents, and the employers cannot be held responsible for knowing the true status.
EUCLID...don't think for a moment that these employers don't know who they are hiring. I gave a true life example above of employers hiring back those with forged documents. Again, beat up the poor people and blame it on them. We Amerikkkans are very good at blaming others for our actions.
Demonize others: It's U.S. versus them. We need a reason to be so unkind to others. |
nikiTa,
I was not blaming illegal immigrants and giving a pass to the employers. I don't doubt for a minute that much of the time the employer is aware of, or strongly suspects the illegal status. All I am saying is that the government lets the employer off the hook if the documents look legitimate.
I for one am not being unkind to anybody, but I am somewhat irked at our government for having such a sloppy immigration policy.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Euclid, I was not saying the above solely to you or anyone else who has posted here. I include myself in the scenario I posted because I too at points in my life have believed the nonsense social engineering has put forth.
I was pointing a finger at the nonsense put in our minds from stateside news and politicians and pawns of people who would like us to preserve our manifest destiny creed since the foundation and pre foundation of the United States of America.
And you are right on target with the fact that there is a sloppy immigration policy. It's based on sloppy thinking. And I was merely bringing up the fact that we can buy into this nonsense when we hear or read about it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Another thing about this issue:
The only Hispanics who do not pay taxes are the ones who work from under the table financeering.
The employees at Target DID in fact pay taxes...they just were trumped up and placed into a false social security and tax account.
I am saying this to say that not ALL illegals do not pay taxes. Many of them do. | | Reply To this Message
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Flutterbywingz said this in post #10 :
So, if we have to walk on eggshells to not upset some social and lifestyle minorities, why should someone else's nationality or skin color fall under different human rights guidelines because their presence pisses off the almighty Caucasian?
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Have I ever said anything about their human rights? Have I ever said that Hispanics did not deserve to live at all? I was just making a comment, not a serious comment at that. I was not meaning to make it sound as if this were a fact. Would it make you feel any better if I said that human beings populate like rabbits, erasing the racial label?
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Euclid, I was not saying the above solely to you or anyone else who has posted here. I include myself in the scenario I posted because I too at points in my life have believed the nonsense social engineering has put forth.
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I understand.
It is interesting that on one hand there is a feeling that harsh border enforcement would show a lack of compassion by keeping people out. Then on the other hand, we get sloppy on border enforcement so they can come in, but with this concession, they are forced to work for greatly depressed wages.
So our gift of entry has attached to it, the strings of exploitation.
Is it not ironic that this so-called compassion leads to a form of slavery, the most un-compassionate relationship of all?
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| Posted by: Flutterbywingz | |
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hazel_dragoneye said this in post #60 :
Have I ever said anything about their human rights? Have I ever said that Hispanics did not deserve to live at all? I was just making a comment, not a serious comment at that. I was not meaning to make it sound as if this were a fact. Would it make you feel any better if I said that human beings populate like rabbits, erasing the racial label? |
I don't care whether it was a serious comment or not. If you call that a joke, please don't ever take your act on the road.
My point was, it was ignorant, and had you made that same slur regarding any other racial or social minority, I am convinced that more people, other than me, would have called you on it. So, what makes this different?
Are you that tuned out that you don't understand making comments like that is racist and inappropriate?
The problem with you, hazel, is that you never come right out and say "it". You are very clever, I'll give you that much. But, I promise you, you have met your match with me, and I see what you're saying every time you say it.
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EUCLID said this in post #61 :
I understand.
Thanks for your understanding. In the post where I did not make myself clear enough...really the only thing I disagreed about was that employers do not know they have forged documents.
It is interesting that on one hand there is a feeling that harsh border enforcement would show a lack of compassion by keeping people out. Then on the other hand, we get sloppy on border enforcement so they can come in, but with this concession, they are forced to work for greatly depressed wages.
Yes, it seems George W is getting it from both sides...both sides do not like the concessions he has made. I would agree that the old immigration policies...actually the ones in place today are very sloppy.
I think Bush is trying to please both sides of the argument and is getting slammed by the fact that Republican House of Reps like Tom Trancredo (he is really leading the Republican bandwagon against immigration policies) don't think that he is doing enough and the other side feel his constraints are too difficult to uphold. And in the process is confusion. Lots of confusion. And I don't mind a guest worker program and don't think his proposed steps to citizenship are really that off base. I believe more that the Tom Tancredo crowd is pushing for draconian and unreasonable measures on this. But why should I be surprised that Tancredo is pushing for such a thing? When I used to call his office quite a bit and I have written a letter as well. (which he wrote back to me fairly quickly). This is the Rep that made the idiotic statement to the effect that we need to bomb Mecca...in the throws of war he issued an ultimatum. He did not apologize for what he said, he said that he was taken out of context on the radio program. Which was baloney. The taking out of context mantra is used when they know the messed up. It's rather chickensh1t if you ask me.
So our gift of entry has attached to it, the strings of exploitation.
Is it not ironic that this so-called compassion leads to a form of slavery, the most un-compassionate relationship of all?
I would agree with you there. It's like inviting someone over for dinner while downstairs there are rattlesnakes in the basement. Maybe a crude analogy.
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| Posted by: antiliberal | | White European Americans must STOP being so darn nice, and stop trying to be liked by everyone. The Senate CIRCA bill will take the word "illegal" out of illegal immigration. Another 100 million Hispanics in 20 years.This is far beyond the White majorities ability to assimulate. We are on the path to racial extinction thanks to Liberalism. The white race has every right to survive and preserve our homelands. Self hating white liberals think we stole America but history is conquest. Chinese, Africans, Arabs, Hindus, Amerindians, have the right to maintain racial hegemonly over their continent. We don't owe the American dream to anyone, it is not your right to claim. Build your own, just follow the nation building recipe. It takes generations, many will die, its part of the process. I really sympathize with La Raza over Guadalupe Hidalgo but I don't care. Mexico can never reconquer Aztland unless we allow it. Mexican success depends on liberalism. No one will like us after we give up our lands... They will cellebrate our demise with holidays. Within your lifetime they will engulf us with hordes of immigrants and babies. Through assimulation, the white minority will be absorbed. Survival demands borders, language, culture, and RACE. Protection from racial competition for demographic hegemony. Self hating whites silence opponents, accusing racism. The overwelming majority has the innate desire to survive. We're crying for leadership!! Don't confuse my desire for survival with disrespect for others and I strongly appreciated the simbiotic partnership between Jew and gentile. We can all live together in symbiosis. Whites want to remain part of world diversity tomorrow. Don't declare english the national language, declare a White Christain nation, preserve our proud demographic heritage. Force the Mexicans to expell themselves, Operation Wetback II. Make the National Orgins Act of 1924 a Constitutional Ammendment. Vote out the Beltway Business Party and the Red Diaper Dopper Babbie Democrates. Bring back the family, have children, ensure our continued lead in all fields of human progress. Earth is a race of races, strive to be the best! Liberals will attack me but they will soon learn that this world will have no tolerance for them at the end of the day. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkay. That was, ummmmmmmmmm, interesting. | | Reply To this Message
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| Don't confuse my desire for survival with disrespect for others and I strongly appreciated the simbiotic partnership between Jew and gentile. |
Really? But, Hitler would be so proud of you.
No, I don't think anyone will confuse your comments. I think you've done a good job of that yourself.
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| Posted by: antiliberal | | Hitler alone is responsible for the Liberals Unchallenged Supremacy in America for the last thirty years.
Don't try to embarrase me with the usual calls of nazi. They won't silence the majority much longer. The boiling point we are reaching. Maybe we will become Nazis if you keep trying to associate us with them, we might begin to believe it someday. Then we might commit some hate crimes we would not have otherwise. Since America won WWII, history was written to portray our enemy as evil. In fact I believe the Greatest Generation would not have fought against Hitler but for him if they had known back then what the liberals would later have in store for their great nation. You know that if Hitler had won, he would be remembered as the greatest German in history. But not everyone is a sheeple or is brainwashed by our liberal-fascist education system. Some people can overcome the mind melding and remain independent minded. I realize that persons like yourself may not have the innate instinct to preserve one's own people, because an entire generation of whites in America have chosen not to reproduce, or have chosen to adopt children from China and Africa when fertility clinics failed them due to old age and too many years on birth control. Despite what liberal propaganda has tought us, Hitler never had any desire to conquer or occupy Great Britain nor the United States. All he desired, if you read Mine Kampf, was living space from the Rhine to the Urals, a great Nordic empire of cities with wondrous grandious architecture and massive tracks of land populated with rural Nordic farmers. Only Russia and Poland were to be eliminated from existence. As for the Jews, Hitler only wanted to expel them from Europe, not murder them. If you heard that infamous speech Hitler made to the Reichstage, he clearly explained in public that if National Socialism would perish, then the Jews of Europe will perish also. The Holocaust was only begun in 1944 when Allied victory was assured, and only for revenge. Because the Jews in America own all the big Wall Street Banks, therefore control the Federal Reserve Bank, they own Holywood, they own/control the media and publishing houses. Because the Jews of America had declared war on Germany and played an instrumental role in the propaganda war against neutrality. Hitler knew the very powerful British Jews had duped him into thinking Britain wanted peace, then helped Churchill and the War Party into power, and Hitler was revengeful. But I admit, the Jewish effort to get Britain and America into the war was no less significant than others like FDR. Hitler's decision to take revenge by murdering innocent women and children is responsible for the predicament whites are in all over the world. And punishing all Europes Jews for Germany's imminent defeat is like killing all America's Nordics just because Ted Kennedy and John McCain are also Nordic. The crimes of Hitler are a stain on the reputation of everyone that wants to preserve the white majority in America and Europe. Hitler is the reason we are shamed into silence, and words like "never again" echo over and over again. Hilter is the reason Liberals have been unchallenged for four decades now. I wish I could erase Hitler's big mistake so we can dethrown the self hating white liberals once and for all. Don't you realize the progress of Civil Rights movement over the last thirty years could NEVER have been made, and the Immigration Act of 1924 would never have been repealed, if the whites where not so embarrased by the Holocaust. So you liberals should stop hating Hilter so much, instead you should be thanking him by honoring him with a useful idiot holiday. . | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | I think that I'm missing something... because I'm a liberal... and I'm not a hater, at all. What is it that you're claiming about people like me? Can you make ME understand? Because, I don't hate people... yet, I also feel like, little by little, whites have less rights. It angers me that we can have black scholarships, colleges, and things for hispanics. Yet, there's no "Honky" scholarships, or schools. We would be labeled racist if there were. I am proud of being white... but, I don't think that WE are an elite race. We are simply another race of people on this planet. | | Reply To this Message
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Lawless said this in post #68 :
yet, I also feel like, little by little, whites have less rights. . |
They say that in the future the Caucasian race will be a minority in this country. I don't know whether that will happen in the near future, but it might.
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | ain't nothin' wrong with a Brown America
sunscreen sales might go down though. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: antiliberal | | Listen, you sound like you are looking for a liberal pat on the back. We are not just another race on this planet, we ARE an elite race, for our unparralleled accomplishment! And I don't care if you call me a racist for saying so. Whites, Jew and Gentile alike, can be proud of our accomplishments, for being at the forefront in all areas of human progress and accomplishment. If Western Civilization did not evolve, the blacks in sub-Saharan Africa would still be dancing around fires waving spears; the Amerindians would still be roaming nomads living in tee-pees and hunting buffalo; the Orientals would still be fighting martial arts under the Shoguns; the Muslims would still be living the in 7th Century. Alright, I take just that one back! They are still living in the seventh century. Honestly, do you believe the Africans would be today building space shuttles or have the hydrogen bomb? Just look at the chaos and disorganization in Africa since the fall of colonialism. We may or may not be inherently or racially gifted or superior to any other race, maybe it was only our environment and culture that allowed us to pull ahead but we can still be VERY proud of our heritage none the less. But scientifically validated facts are irrefutable. As a white, I am not ashamed to admit Orientals are statistically on averge the smartest race on earth, followed by the Ashkenazi Jews, and who could look at sports today and argue the overwelming athletic superiority of blacks. I don't care if you are offended or if the truth hurts your feelings. But I tell it like I see it. Equality was meant to be political you moron. Wake up, we are not all equal, we all have our qualities and weaknesses. I'm sick of the liberal establishment teaching the youth today that American history and Western Civilization in general is racist and the scourge of the world. Thank Almighty that it is the begining of the end for the Liberal. Let me explain. The coming hispanic majority is not, today nor tomorrow, liberal. In fact they are strongly family oriented with strong Catholic religious morals, and very, very right wing conservative. Why do you think the Bush Neo Cons are coddling the hispanic vote? Hispanics are NOT self hating or ready to give away everything they have conquered and achieved to the next wave of immigrants. Their won't be another wave of immigrants, they aren't fools. No non-western nation on earth has such sucidal immigration policies. For example, do you think the Chinese would allow hordes of alien immigrants to overwelm the Chinese homeland? The west is insane. Contrary to belief, the liberal public school and university machine will not be able to metastize 100 million hispanics into good self hating liberals before their day is up and they are replaced by the next generation, a hispanic one. Liberalism is not inherintly enduring, it's self destructive by nature. It terminates itself, sewing the seeds of its own destruction right from its genesis. Only the future will tell if the last white nations left finally wake up and survive. Given the pathetic end whites have choosen for themselves, I can not be proud to be white today. Their is not one single white nation on earth that is growing and expanding. No nation buidling, no empires being built, no new manifest destiny of conquest and achievement. This is the lamest white generation ever, just nice, feminized, homosexualized wimps that want to be liked by everyone. Every single white nation is commiting demographic suicide by not having children. Each relying on immigration of aliens to replace their dying populations. How can one generation be so destructive to thousands of years of continued existence. Can our race survive the age of liberalism??? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | No such thing as an "elite" race. Totally BOGUS supposition to make.
And if a liberal patted me on the back, I'd say "Thank you, may I have another?" | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | First off, I'm not a moron.
Secondly... you are a racist. Do you have your white sheet that you wear out?
Lastly... I want no pat on the back, or anything else, from you, or any other person.
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Whidden said this in post #73 :
No such thing as an "elite" race. Totally BOGUS supposition to make.
And if a liberal patted me on the back, I'd say "Thank you, may I have another?" |
Dave, I will give ya all the pats you want!!! 
And then, you can give me some back!!!
We can have a patting-fest of love. (And make sure that Sandy June knows that I said "Patting" and NOT "Petting") 
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| Posted by: Whidden | | Conservatives and Liberals patting each others back. This Nazi has unwittingly brought us all together.
***Whidden weeps***
Call Fuscia and see if we can get Sordidmesh back in here, I think we can all hold hands and be friends now.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | I think that it might be possible... for most of us at least. We might wanna leave Hitler to his 'own' and just go on without him, and his followers. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | I'll be moving up to Connecticut soon, hey antiliberal, want to hang out and go out for some drinks, I'm sure you're quite the amusing one. 
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Whidden said this in post #71 :
This guy claims to not be a Nazi, then goes into why Hitler was a cool fellow. Unbelievable.
Dude, your a Nazi all day long, it's quite unavoidable. Do me a favor and don't stink up my right wing conservative values with this White Power bullcrappola. Calling anyone who doesn't believe in overt racism a "liberal" is silly.
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You liberals disgrace and silence everyone from any discussion by this endless Nazi namecalling every single time white conservatives attempt to enter a discussion that effects our very future survival. You obviosly don't have an interest in our survival so you want to silence me from being heard. Self hating whites dominate the discussion on race in America. They have successfully shut up and disgraced anyone from speaking out against suicidal liberalism by calling them a racist Nazi. If people stand up to these liberal bullies and speak up, others will follow. They will begin to stand up and be counted. This is what terrifies liberals the most. A tital wave of whites finally waking up. Liberals would be defamed and overthrown once and for all. It took Pearl Harbor to wake up White America last time. It takes a lot to wake us up. But once we awaken and get organized, we will stand determined to save our civilization and race from extinction.
Dude, your conservative??? Being conservative and not being racist is an oxymoron. Being racist is the inherent instinct for racial survival. We all have that instinct. Racism was intentionaly defined by every negative connotation known in the dictionary, intended to embarrase or dismay anyone considering uttering thoughts which could be construed as racist. This strategy has been remarkably effective at keeping white preservation at bay. No one wants to be associated with such evil and terrible ideas. Liberal education teaches us to supress such thoughts because it once lead to the Nazi holocaust. Liberal propaganda wants you to associate racism with bigotry and unfairness. Liberals teach us that all racist are guilty by association with the Nazi crimes against humanity. Its a myth perputualized by liberalism that racism equates with hatred of others and the desire to harm others. We shall not rest until we bust this myth once and for all. We only desire to survive as a species, and as a nation. Not just survive, but continue to lead humanity in all fields of human progress. We do not desire to harm our fellow human beings in the process as the liberal power structure's continuance requires that you to believe.
Liberalism, of the self hating kind is taught in school and goes against human nature. Whites have been confused by liberalism, because they want to be nice to their fellow man. We are a kind natured people with Christain roots. We need to realize that being nice doesn't require commiting national or race suicide. It does not require giving up our lands to hordes of immigrants to disprove our bigotry. We can never be liked by everyone, especially when the hate is so deeply rooted. The colored world is envious and jealous of our success. They blame us for their missery and poverty. They want revenge and they have found their avenue. We had the worlds hate, but we commanded their respect and admiration. Now they hate us still, but we have lost their respect and admiration. Whites are renowned world wide as weak and terminally ill. They realize opportunity and are expoiting this new w
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