LOST Episode 20 5/3/06

Lost - Season Two Forum

Wednesday, May 3 at 9/8c

"Two for the Road"

Jack and Kate bring an exhausted Michael back to the camp, and with him, news about "The Others." Meanwhile, Ana Lucia attempts to get the prisoner to confess, and Hurley plans a surprise date for Libby.

There wasn't already a thread for this, and after seeing what I just saw I needed to get discussion going ASAP.

What the heck just happened?

Uhhhhhh...

Haha... okay... there's some confusion going on here.

I put this up, right before you posted yours. So, just start a discussion in here, regarding tonight's episode.

I STARTED mine before I saw anything up... so technically... j/k...

I'm SHOCKED.

Wow. Michael killed Anna Lucia. Why? First thing that comes to mind was that the writers need an excuse to kick her off the show because she gets in too much trouble in Hawaii. Then I thought, maybe Michael knows something about her we don't. Then I thought, maybe Michael has been transformed into an "other". When he killed Libby I knew he was only startled.

I'm guessing that he killed her in order to get his son back. Perhaps he made some kind of agreement with the others.

I'm saddened by this episode. That was too traumatic.

I know, because I posted mine, and then, you posted yours, within about 30 seconds after. Then, I unstickied the last ep, and stickied this one.

Sorry about that new thread. delete it is possible.


anyways.... i only say the last half what happened?



Sayzak82 : lost kinda pissed me off just now
dorkySar27 : i feel lost.

Yeah, that was a crazy episode. Once Michael had the gun, I said to myself, "Uh-oh, did the others TURN him??"

Then he said sorry to Ana-Lucia, and I knew that he'd been affected, but I wasn't expecting Libby to go down, and I certainly wasn't expecting him to pop himself after opening the locked room...

Certainly a shocking episode... I gotta ask myself though... Do the WRITERS even know where this show is going, and what's behind everything? I'm so messed up over this show right now... I can't make heads or tails of it.

Damn... what a mind blowing ending to the episode last night.

I think that the others did affect him. He killed Ana Lucia (I said something, after her second drunk driving incident THIS season... that she would be killed off... and she was), but we don't know if Libby is dead. The shot looked lower, and I'm hoping that Jack can save her. Michael shot himself in the shoulder. Bastard I'm sure that "Henry" escaped. Man, this is definately something. NEVER saw that coming.

Here's a recap, from the offical LOST site:

Two For The Road
Air Date: 05/03/2006
Jack and Kate stumble across an unconscious Michael deep in the jungle. And while Jack is primed and ready for a confrontation with the Others, it is Kate who forces him to deal with the task at hand: Michael needs medical attention and he needs it back at the Hatch.

Speaking of the Hatch, Ana Lucia receives a nasty surprise when she goes into the armory to deliver a bowl of food to a dejected Henry. Only Locke's last-minute intervention is enough to save her life. And while Locke is desperate for answers to his questions, he knows that time with Henry is running out fast.

In FLASHBACK, we see Ana Lucia confronted by her mother -- who's also her captain -- upon returning to the station after a shift. It seems a body has been found in a parking lot. And it just happens to be the same guy who confessed to shooting Ana Lucia. But when Captain Cortez tries to offer her daughter her help, Ana Lucia quits the force and runs away… all the way to Australia.

Turns out she met a guy at the airport; a guy who was running away from his own problems and the two of them forged a dysfunctional partnership. She agreed to go to Australia to "protect him" and he agreed not to ask too many questions. Hard to believe it didn't last long…

Michael is being cared for in the Hatch. He's regained consciousness and the information he presents is startling. He knows where Walt is. And the Others have been lying about their strength. As soon as he is strong enough, Michael is going to return to their camp in force. And he is going to take his son back. The entire camp is activated, caught somewhere between hopeful and terrified at what this all means.

In light of her recent troubles, Ana Lucia is desperate to get her hands on a gun. And when she barters with Sawyer we learn just how far she is willing to go to get what she wants.

Hurley attempts to move his relationship with Libby to the next step and asks her on an honest-to-goodness date. And we can't help feeling happy to see that, even here, good things can happen.

But it's just not that simple now, is it? And this wouldn't be LOST if things ended up happy and hopeful. So, as the episode draws to a close we are taught yet another lesson about the dark side of mankind..and what we are capable of doing when there appears to be no other choice.

Shots ring out and ... what next?

Thursday, May 4, 2006; Posted: 8:23 a.m. EDT (12:23 GMT)

Editor's Note: The following Associated Press article contains spoilers. If you'd rather not know what happened on Wednesday's episode of "Lost," stop reading now.


LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Sex, betrayal and bloodshed were the order of a fateful day for the lost souls of "Lost."

With the season drawing to a close this month, "Lost" put several of its airline-crash castaways in the line of fire and proved it hasn't run out of plot twists -- or a willingness to prune its roster.

For those eagerly planning to watch Wednesday's episode of the ABC drama on TiVo or videotape, please don't read any further.

Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez), the tough and vengeful ex-police officer, was felled by a bullet fired by, of all people, Michael (Harold Perrineau), who returned from an unsuccessful effort to free his kidnapped son, Walt.

"I'm sorry," Michael said, then coolly fired at her. Surprised by another castaway, Libby (Cynthia Watros), Michael shot her as well, then wounded himself.

Ana Lucia may be a goner but we learn that Michael survives. Libby's fate was unclear.

The shootings came as Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn), acting on information provided by Michael about the island's mysterious and dangerous "others," prepared to stage an attack and rescue Walt.

The episode also included a tryst between Ana Lucia and Sawyer (Josh Holloway), but it turned out she seduced him just to get his handgun -- which ended up being the weapon Michael used against her.

The apparent death of Ana Lucia was reinforced by comments from two of the show's executive producers to TVGuide.com. The decision to make the character a short-timer was reached early and was unrelated to Rodriguez's drunken-driving case in Hawaii, where the series is filmed, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said.

"A lot of this is going to sound like spin, so all we can give you is our word that this is exactly what happened," Lindelof told TVGuide.com. When Rodriguez auditioned for the role she made it clear she was "sort of a nomadic spirit" and would commit to a limited run, he said.

As befitting the convoluted "Lost," however, there was more to the story.

Another issue was that Watros was arrested for allegedly driving under the influence on the same December night as Rodriguez, but separately.

Rodriguez, 27, was sentenced to jail time and fined $500 after she pleaded guilty last month, serving about 65 hours in an Oahu correctional facility. Watros, 37, was fined and had her license suspended for 90 days after pleading guilty to drunken driving in January.

Lindelof told TVGuide.com that he and Cuse knew that it might seem they were trying to make a point rather than advance the story as intended.

"It's going to look like this is the 'Lost' producers' attempt to say, 'Don't drive drunk!' " Lindelof said.

But they decided not to alter the plot line because everything that follows this season "all sort of falls from this event," said Cuse.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

I have to wonder... did the others get to Michael, and make him see that their way of thinking... or was he told to get "Henry" free, and they would let him see his son?

I'm sure that he is now one of the Others, but he didn't set Henry free. Henry said that someone would be coming to kill him for failure, and Michael is the best choice because he could get close without raising the alarm. He killed Ana Lucia because she killed two other Others. I hope that Libby makes it, but I don't think she will.

I read that Ana Lucia would die at some point, but I did NOT see THIS coming

maybe the others really wanted ana lucia dead. i mean, henry tried to attack ana lucia when he didn't try to attack anyone else.
fishy.
i must say, on the bright side, when hurley and libby walk onto the "romantic" beach and jin is gutting a fish ... that made me laugh.

Henry did try to kill her... and, he made comments about how they all knew all about her.

quick thought: do you think libby got hurt because of the numbers and hurley? because every time hurley tries to do something nice to someone, they get hurt, right?

oh....my......gosh.
best episode ever.

I didn't think about the Hurley spin on Libby's fate. oooooooh!

I think Michael killed Henry after he shot hiimself to make it look like "henry" shot ana lucia, libby and michael and michael was the hero and shot henry. BUT, if Libby lives, that secret will be revealed. He did looked shocked when he shot Libby. Maybe he was only meant to shoot analucia. AHHH TOO MANY QUESTIONS, NOT ENOUGH ANSWERS!

Okay, these people are nuts...
they had a fake commercial on during the episode with a fake phone number I guess:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/05/03/h...g-whats-it-say/


and then my friend sent me here:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

weiiiirrrddd!

Jack has a sister. Wonder if it's Claire???

I read the review of the show. I only caught the part on TV last night where Michael walks up to Ana Lucia and kills her. Poor Libby. Hurley is going to freak when he hears that she is hurt/or dead. He will think the numbers are out to get him.

From what I heard today... Libby is dead, because the actress that plays her is going to have her own show, this fall. So, I guess that she's leaving?

So, does Locke want to go with the Others? He was shaken up when Henry said that he was sent there to get him, but when he lied about Ana Lucia hitting her head on the counter, he wasn't protecting her. She was there to give him food, wasn't even really harassing him too much, and was attacked first. She wouldn't be in trouble, but Henry would. Why does Locke want to protect Henry?

Oh, and Shannon was taken to that piece of beach, then died soon after. Libby was trying to get to that piece of beach, and died soon after. Hmmmmm

I think Locke was just trying to protect ana lucia - or atleast her pride. But he was curious as to why Henry was protecting Locke and wanting to kill ana lucia. Maybe Locke IS curious about why they want him. After all, it was LOCKE who got to see the map right? maybe that wasn't an accident.

I'm gonna be so angry if they kill of Libby without giving us her backstory.

Ohhhhhhh, that's right. If Libby is dead, we get NO back story. BASTARDS!

I was thinking about this, last night.

Shannon was killed, by Ana Lucia, with a gun. Michael saw it happen.
So, I was just thinking... I wonder if he willingly killed Ana Lucia, in the same way that she killed Shannon. I don't know... it was just a passing thought.

I think that Ana was the leader against the others, so they really wanted her dead.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... I never thought about that as a possibility.

maybe it's a chain reaction. Shannon slept with sayid and was killed by ana lucia and michael saw it. ana lucia slept with sawyer and was killed by michael and libby saw it. libby died. does that mean michael is next to die? and someone will see it and then THEY will die? did i just make up a theory. no. I TRIED!!!

That's the greatest thing about Lost... because we don't know WHAT is going on, we all dig into some deep places, and come up with some great, and some off-the-wall, theories. I love that.

I was shocked like everyone else when Michael shot Ana-Lucia. Wow! How could he shoot Libby by accident? I guess he did, it did not look planned. I didn't think of Libby still being alive I automatically thought she was dead.
My first thought was that the others had brainwashed Michael in some way. Even if he did shoot Ana-Lucia to get Walt back would that justify him doing it? Would Michael murder somebody to get Walt back? I am sure the others would like to see Ana-Lucia dead. She is not one of the "good" ones and she killed at least one of their people. Maybe they are drugging Michael with that special Claire's baby and Desmond drug.
What about Michael's story about the group of people dressed in rags? After Kate discovering the costumes and makeup glue you would think Kate and Jack would believe that either the people Michael saw were acting for his benefit or were other survivors of some kind of plane or boat crash. Yet Jack goes to Locke and says "did you hear what Michael said, we can take them". ( I don't like Jack's attitude toward Locke. )

What about Jack's Dad having a daughter. What is up with that??

I don't want to believe it but I am beginning to think more and more that this is all in Hurley's imagination. He is still in the mental hospital. They did the same kind of episode on Buffy the Vampire slayer. Her parents had put her in a mental hospital after she saw her first vampire and freaked out. She was starting to believe she was still there and let all her friends get killed who the doctor said were in her imagination. Just like Hurley they were telling her the only way to come back to reality was to treat her dillustions like what they were, a dream.

It is certainly beyond me to be able to reason out how the numbers could be in so many places that are unrelated to each other. Also, all the people on the island being connected in some way. It all seems unreasonable. I don't see how they can explain it. It is just too much.

It CANT be in Hurley's mind. If that were the case, WHY didn't he know what happened to the tail end of the plane survivors? He didn't... Libby asked him, point blank.

Aight, time for my stewpit theories.



1. Mike either has a deal with the others to have them let his son go, or he got the idea at the last minute to let the other go, so he could bargain for his boy.


Either way, he seemed upset shooting Ana, but Libby seemed to suprise him. But he did it anyway.


I hate him now.


2. Sawyer ran into Jacks dad's door, while he was talking to Ana. Right in front of the bar. This was probably the same bar where Sawyer and Jacks dad sat and drank and had their talk in the Sawyer flashback from last season.



3. Henry said the "him" was a genious and intelligent or something along those lines, but he lacked mercy. I don't have the exact qoute.

So, I'm leaning more and more toward Alvar Hanso.


4. I did see the commericial for the hanso group, but did not call. Looked at the link provided in here. I thought that was neat to use commerical time to do that.


5. I'm in mourning, I have lost my libby.

That was just wrong.....



6. Jack has a sister!!! I bet it's Claire.

Too many coincidences for me.

You stewpid!!

Dr. Bob Are-Not! Jump back sleezestack!



No way it's in Hurleys head, ye pitt of stew.

I agree with Whidden and Kris; this is NOT in Hurley's imagination.

If Jack and Locke had been paying closer attention, and not just been so happy to see Michael again that they believed whatever he said, then they would have known that either he was tricked or he was trying to trick them. Kate told Jack about the hatch that Claire was in, so he knows that they have technology, clean clothing, and a place to live (I don't think that they really left that hatch). He also knows that they have a lot of guns, because Zeke collected all the guns that Sawyer, Jack, and Locke were carrying. So Jack and Locke should have realized that the Others really weren't living in tents with just two guns, and that going after the Others is a trap.

I hate Jack On top of all the bossiness and arrogance, he BURNED A BOOK

I really like this character trait of Sawyer's--he's reading everything he can get his hands on. Even if I was furious at Sawyer--which Jack was not--I would never have burned his book. ESPECIALLY not an unpublished manuscript! Uncouth savage

Shoot Jack next, Michael!

Whidden, when I saw Ana Lucia and Jack's father, sitting in the car, outside the bar, I knew that was the place where he met Sawyer, and talked about his son (shortly before his death). I love all the "connections" to each other that they have... without knowing it.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, like pippin, I was fuming pissed at Jack for burning a book. That was horrible. Jack is a rat bastard

How do you think they can explain all these connections?

You know, I don't know HOW they are going to explain them. Coinsidences? I don't believe that.

I was talking to someone at work the other day, and I mentioned how Jack ran into Desmond, while running that night, at the stadium. That was in California. Then, Desmond is on this island, in the hatch... and he runs off, never to be seen again? The dude is an "other"

Part of me really wonders if they (the others) go out looking for specific people, to get them to the island. For what purpose? I have NO idea. But, it's just too strange that they have this many connections with one another.

I think that he's trying to show that their is a lot of research being done, from this group... and that there could be any number of reasons for the 'connections'

O.K. O.K. I know you are smarter than me and all that. Maybe I should just take your word for it. Time will tell. Hopefully within a few years we will know something.

Thanks for the interpretations Kris.

You better be scared Mr.

Is there any point to the Libby character??

well perhaps we'll never know

maybe she's not dead. I haven't seen a preview yet where Hurley is totally devastated.

Well, she might not be, YET... but, since the actress that portrays Libby is starting her own show, in the fall, I think that it's likely.

true. maybe she's like in a coma or something. nah that'd be retarded. i guess we'll find out TOMORROW!! whooooooooo!

I think she's dead. The previews said something like, "Now their lives are in the hands on one man," and they showed Michael. If Libby was alive, she'd say that he shot her and killed Ana. If she didn't die last episode, then she'll die soon anyway because Michael can't let her live.

That's what I'm thinking... that maybe she's not dead, YET, so that we can at least get some flash back info on her character. It's just REALLY going to suck if the ONLY thing that we got was that she was in the looney bin with Hurley. Maybe that's all we need to know... that she was a whack job, and was pretending, now, to be a shrink.

Shut up David.

Anyway, we have to get some kind of background into Libby. It showed her in the mental hospital with Hurley as a patient.

I think that Michael shot Ana-Lucia and let Henry go, so that they all would hurry up and go after him, or get everybody together, force Sawyer to give up the guns, and then they'd all wage war against the others.

I think Michael is desperate to get his son back, hates the Others, doesn't feel like anyone else is anywhere near as serious as he is about getting Walt back, but also realizes now that he can't do it on his own. He is now doing what he can to rally the rest of the guys on his side, so that they see the urgency in taking the Others down with Sawyer's guns.

There's another possibility. I love all the theories out there.