Iraq war helped boost Al Qaeda |
| Posted by: nowar | | http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
Iraq war helped boost Al Qaeda
Allowed network to recruit: Experts
Saudi envoy warns of more attacks
LONDON - The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism.
The Iraq war "clearly increased the terrorist impulse," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counter-terrorism at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The U.S.-led invasion, at least in the short term, drew more people toward Osama bin Laden's vision of a global clash between Islam and the West, Stevenson said yesterday.
It partly explains the series of co-ordinated, multiple attacks last Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where 34 people died, and on Friday in Casablanca, Morocco, where 41 people, including 13 attackers, were killed by five bomb blasts.
Stevenson believes U.S. President George W. Bush's administration knew full well the war would initially increase support for Al Qaeda. But U.S. officials estimated the long-term impact of setting up a democratic government in Iraq would outweigh the short-term pain of more terror attacks, he said.
Other experts, however, believe that the U.S., and those European countries that supported the war, badly miscalculated.
"The political masters in the U.S. and Europe underestimated the extent to which bin Laden would use the war in Iraq as a propaganda weapon to rejuvenate the movement and attract more funds," said Paul Wilkinson, head of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St. Andrew's University in Scotland.
"As far as the war against Al Qaeda goes, it possibly has been counterproductive. We face turbulent times ahead," Wilkinson told Sky TV.
U.S. officials partly tried to justify the Iraq war by insisting there were links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's ousted regime — an assertion most experts continue to believe is unsubstantiated.
By linking the Iraq war with the war on terror, Bush has left himself vulnerable to Americans concluding the invasion was a failure if terrorist attacks continue, said Andrew Garfield, director of the International Centre for Security Analysis at King's College in London.
Garfield believes Al Qaeda continues to plan "something big" in the way of an attack in Europe or North America. But police crackdowns and increased security co-operation across borders have foiled attempts to carry out such plans since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, told reporters in Riyadh yesterday: "There is chatter, a high level of chatter regionally and in other international spots" that something could happen in Saudi Arabia or the United States.
Al Qaeda was always a loose collection of local terrorist groups. But the loss of its training camps and bases in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led war there, as well as the arrests of several top lieutenants, have forced the terrorist network to become even more decentralized, Stevenson said in an interview.
"So while the Al Qaeda leadership has been weakened, the network as a whole has become more elusive than before," he said, adding that responsibility for planning and carrying out attacks rests more than ever with local groups.
Prevented from attacking Western countries, Al Qaeda- linked groups are turning their attention on "soft" targets in countries where they have some popular support, and where security is weak, such as Saudi Arabia and Morocco.
But Morocco said yesterday no connection had yet been established between Al Qaeda and last week's Casablanca attacks.
Stevenson believes Al Qaeda-linked groups will further focus future operations in the Persian Gulf region because of the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.
And Garfield argued the more "preventive wars" the U.S. launches, the more Muslims will feel Al Qaeda is the only choice.
Garfield said this strategy has been used successfully by groups such as Hamas during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The more Israel fights against Hamas suicide bombers by clamping down on the occupied Palestinian territories, the more ordinary Palestinians believe violence is the only alternative.
That means the U.S. must seriously work to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which fuels Arab anger throughout the Middle East and help alleviate poverty, he said.
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Originally posted by nowar
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
Iraq war helped boost Al Qaeda
Allowed network to recruit: Experts
Saudi envoy warns of more attacks
LONDON - The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism.
The Iraq war "clearly increased the terrorist impulse," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counter-terrorism at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The U.S.-led invasion, at least in the short term, drew more people toward Osama bin Laden's vision of a global clash between Islam and the West, Stevenson said yesterday.
It partly explains the series of co-ordinated, multiple attacks last Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where 34 people died, and on Friday in Casablanca, Morocco, where 41 people, including 13 attackers, were killed by five bomb blasts.
Stevenson believes U.S. President George W. Bush's administration knew full well the war would initially increase support for Al Qaeda. But U.S. officials estimated the long-term impact of setting up a democratic government in Iraq would outweigh the short-term pain of more terror attacks, he said.
Other experts, however, believe that the U.S., and those European countries that supported the war, badly miscalculated.
"The political masters in the U.S. and Europe underestimated the extent to which bin Laden would use the war in Iraq as a propaganda weapon to rejuvenate the movement and attract more funds," said Paul Wilkinson, head of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St. Andrew's University in Scotland.
"As far as the war against Al Qaeda goes, it possibly has been counterproductive. We face turbulent times ahead," Wilkinson told Sky TV.
U.S. officials partly tried to justify the Iraq war by insisting there were links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's ousted regime — an assertion most experts continue to believe is unsubstantiated.
By linking the Iraq war with the war on terror, Bush has left himself vulnerable to Americans concluding the invasion was a failure if terrorist attacks continue, said Andrew Garfield, director of the International Centre for Security Analysis at King's College in London.
Garfield believes Al Qaeda continues to plan "something big" in the way of an attack in Europe or North America. But police crackdowns and increased security co-operation across borders have foiled attempts to carry out such plans since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, told reporters in Riyadh yesterday: "There is chatter, a high level of chatter regionally and in other international spots" that something could happen in Saudi Arabia or the United States.
Al Qaeda was always a loose collection of local terrorist groups. But the loss of its training camps and bases in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led war there, as well as the arrests of several top lieutenants, have forced the terrorist network to become even more decentralized, Stevenson said in an interview.
"So while the Al Qaeda leadership has been weakened, the network as a whole has become more elusive than before," he said, adding that responsibility for planning and carrying out attacks rests more than ever with local groups.
Prevented from attacking Western countries, Al Qaeda- linked groups are turning their attention on "soft" targets in countries where they have some popular support, and where security is weak, such as Saudi Arabia and Morocco.
But Morocco said yesterday no connection had yet been established between Al Qaeda and last week's Casablanca attacks.
Stevenson believes Al Qaeda-linked groups will further focus future operations in the Persian Gulf region because of the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.
And Garfield argued the more "preventive wars" the U.S. launches, the more Muslims will feel Al Qaeda is the only choice.
Garfield said this strategy has been used successfully by groups such as Hamas during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The more Israel fights against Hamas suicide bombers by clamping down on the occupied Palestinian territories, the more ordinary Palestinians believe violence is the only alternative.
That means the U.S. must seriously work to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which fuels Arab anger throughout the Middle East and help alleviate poverty, he said.
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Sadly, it confirms what was predicted.
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Originally posted by nowar
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
Iraq war helped boost Al Qaeda
Allowed network to recruit: Experts
Saudi envoy warns of more attacks
LONDON - The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism.
The Iraq war "clearly increased the terrorist impulse," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counter-terrorism at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The U.S.-led invasion, at least in the short term, drew more people toward Osama bin Laden's vision of a global clash between Islam and the West, Stevenson said yesterday.
It partly explains the series of co-ordinated, multiple attacks last Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where 34 people died, and on Friday in Casablanca, Morocco, where 41 people, including 13 attackers, were killed by five bomb blasts.
Stevenson believes U.S. President George W. Bush's administration knew full well the war would initially increase support for Al Qaeda. But U.S. officials estimated the long-term impact of setting up a democratic government in Iraq would outweigh the short-term pain of more terror attacks, he said.
Other experts, however, believe that the U.S., and those European countries that supported the war, badly miscalculated.
"The political masters in the U.S. and Europe underestimated the extent to which bin Laden would use the war in Iraq as a propaganda weapon to rejuvenate the movement and attract more funds," said Paul Wilkinson, head of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St. Andrew's University in Scotland.
"As far as the war against Al Qaeda goes, it possibly has been counterproductive. We face turbulent times ahead," Wilkinson told Sky TV.
U.S. officials partly tried to justify the Iraq war by insisting there were links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's ousted regime — an assertion most experts continue to believe is unsubstantiated.
By linking the Iraq war with the war on terror, Bush has left himself vulnerable to Americans concluding the invasion was a failure if terrorist attacks continue, said Andrew Garfield, director of the International Centre for Security Analysis at King's College in London.
Garfield believes Al Qaeda continues to plan "something big" in the way of an attack in Europe or North America. But police crackdowns and increased security co-operation across borders have foiled attempts to carry out such plans since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, told reporters in Riyadh yesterday: "There is chatter, a high level of chatter regionally and in other international spots" that something could happen in Saudi Arabia or the United States.
Al Qaeda was always a loose collection of local terrorist groups. But the loss of its training camps and bases in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led war there, as well as the arrests of several top lieutenants, have forced the terrorist network to become even more decentralized, Stevenson said in an interview.
"So while the Al Qaeda leadership has been weakened, the network as a whole has become more elusive than before," he said, adding that responsibility for planning and carrying out attacks rests more than ever with local groups.
Prevented from attacking Western countries, Al Qaeda- linked groups are turning their attention on "soft" targets in countries where they have some popular support, and where security is weak, such as Saudi Arabia and Morocco.
But Morocco said yesterday no connection had yet been established between Al Qaeda and last week's Casablanca attacks.
Stevenson believes Al Qaeda-linked groups will further focus future operations in the Persian Gulf region because of the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.
And Garfield argued the more "preventive wars" the U.S. launches, the more Muslims will feel Al Qaeda is the only choice.
Garfield said this strategy has been used successfully by groups such as Hamas during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The more Israel fights against Hamas suicide bombers by clamping down on the occupied Palestinian territories, the more ordinary Palestinians believe violence is the only alternative.
That means the U.S. must seriously work to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which fuels Arab anger throughout the Middle East and help alleviate poverty, he said.
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Did you guys miss the first sentence? "weakened terrorist network". They are weakened post 9/11 and are worried about it. The governments of many countries around the world will keep putting pressure on them - trust me, they're sweating.
Spew all the doom and gloom you want, time will tell.
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| Posted by: nowar | | ok they are weakened ...... how ?
two or three training camps wiped out ?
they still got money, they have more martyr volunteers, they are acting not by one or two martyrs but by five ....
weakened ?
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,960348,00.html
West goes on high terror alert
Richard Norton-Taylor and Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday May 21, 2003
The Guardian
The US declared a high terror alert in the run-up to one of its biggest holiday weekends, after intelligence reports suggested there could be another attack on American soil.
For the fourth time since the colour-coded alert system was introduced just over a year ago, President George Bush decided to raise the level from yellow, "elevated", to orange, "high".
Reflecting the rising tension across the west, Britain, the US and Germany closed their embassies in Saudi Arabia yesterday because of the fear of terrorist attacks.
Whitehall sources said last night that Britain's decision was taken independently and was not merely a response to America's. "We assess that the threat is live," said one well-placed official.
The move came after a warning by Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to Washington, who said on Monday he feared another "big" attack in the US or Saudi Arabia was imminent.
However, accounts differed on the grounds for the alert. CNN quoted intelligence officials as saying the "chatter" among terrorist groups was "spooky". However, a Washington intelligence source told the Guardian there was "no specific intelligence" to justify an alert, which he described as "pure politics". |
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| Posted by: ickle | |
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Originally posted by nowar
ok they are weakened ...... how ?
two or three training camps wiped out ?
they still got money, they have more martyr volunteers, they are acting not by one or two martyrs but by five ....
weakened ?
they don't know how weakened they are ...... |
Why do you post as article as a point of reference and then disagree with it? The article said "weakened terrorist network" in the very first sentence. Go back and read it.
If you're going to post an article and then disagree with it, then you probably shouldn't post it - unless you like to argue with yourself.
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| Posted by: frenchfries | |
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Originally posted by ickle
Did you guys miss the first sentence? "weakened terrorist network". They are weakened post 9/11 and are worried about it. The governments of many countries around the world will keep putting pressure on them - trust me, they're sweating.
Spew all the doom and gloom you want, time will tell. |
No, I didn't miss that word.
But let's be pragmatic: if they were weakened -who really knows ?- they sure beefed up. The recent wave of terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Marocco prove it, and I am very pessimistic for the coming days...
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| Posted by: ickle | |
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Originally posted by frenchfries
No, I didn't miss that word.
But let's be pragmatic: if they were weakened -who really knows ?- they sure beefed up. The recent wave of terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Marocco prove it, and I am very pessimistic for the coming days... |
Yes, let's be pragamatic. Did you beleive that after 9/11 and Afghanistan that they would just pack up their bags and quit? I sure didn't. I expected more terrorist attacks and, given the scope and magnitude of these attacks in contrast to 9/11, I believe they are weakened.
I would have thought that if they were stronger than they were on 9/11 that they would have the ability to do something much worse than the standard truck bombing - poisoning a US water supply, a dirty bomb, WMDs.....
They've had an enormous amount of pressure on them since 9/11 and they ARE weakened. They no longer have their own entire country to use as a training camp. There are active, aggressive efforts to track down and stop as much of their funding as possible. Nearly half of their top leadership has been killed or captured. They are weakened.
Unfortunately, I think there will be more terrorist attacks. They may even happen more frequently out of Al Quieda's desperation. And, given the nature of the organziation, I wouldn't be surprised if there are Al Quieda elements around for a long, long time. We're not dealing with Libya, we're dealing with the dispersed cells of a terrorist group.
I seriously doubt they will ever again be as strong as they were on 9/10. In the words of a Japanese general after Pearl Harbor - "We have awakened a sleeping giant."
When, and if, they are able to successfully execute an attack that even comes close to 9/11, I will start to get worried. 9/11 was there 15 minutes of fame.
That being said, I still find it extremely amusing that someone would try to imply that they are stonger by posting an article that says they are weakened in the first sentence. C'mon, you've got to admit that it's not a very convincing approach.
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| Posted by: USA1 | | OBL's objective has done the exact opposite of his plan. To oust all Americans from the Middle East, he has now succeeded in bringing the largest deployment of American troops ever to the Middle East. America is now in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi, and maybe more in the near future. Not to exclude the Asian countries.
His objectives have backfired on him. The more he persists, the worse it will get for him. His goal is futile. America is stronger in our convictions and more focused on terrorism that ever before.
More countries have seen the light. Saudi, Syria, Jordan and Iran are under the world microscope and are discovering that their fundamentalist views have created their own epitaph in history. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nowar | |
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Originally posted by ickle
Why do you post as article as a point of reference and then disagree with it? The article said "weakened terrorist network" in the very first sentence. Go back and read it.
If you're going to post an article and then disagree with it, then you probably shouldn't post it - unless you like to argue with yourself. |
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| The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network |
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| Posted by: nowar | |
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Originally posted by ickle
That being said, I still find it extremely amusing that someone would try to imply that they are stonger by posting an article that says they are weakened in the first sentence. C'mon, you've got to admit that it's not a very convincing approach. |
read my post above ..... convicing approach ?
note the two underlined words: GAVE - not 'will give' - and REINVIGORATE
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