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9/11 fact and fiction Forum

I heard about a report that states that 30% to 40% of Europeans—particularly Germans and French actually believe that the 9/11 attacks were a CIA plot! I must say, I'm not surprised, but I am amused.

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It's happened a few times here in Europe recently, after the London bombings. Talk turns to terrorism, and some dewey-eyed European asks me who I think really committed the 9/11 attacks. I venture a wild guess: "How about 19 hijackers, under the leadership of Khalid Sheik Mohammed?" I venture. Really? They ask suspiciously. Don't you think it might have been the CIA, or the Bush family?

At this point, there are two options. If the poor, benighted European happens to be an attractive female, I point out that they have been deluded by a conspiracy theory, and that it's generally considered rather silly to believe things when there's no evidence to support them. Then I change the subject.

If they're not an attractive female, I tell them "No, I don't think that the CIA or the Bush family somehow plotted the attacks, and further I think anybody who does think that is a ******* *****." Naturally, because most of he people asking these questions believe this theory, they are a tad offended. So be it. We Texans are funny that way.

"But how can you be so naïve as to believe the official version?" they ask me. They point me to books like Die CIA und der 11. September by Andreas von Bülow, former technology minister in Helmut Schmidt's government. Here is the Amazon editorial review summary of his book (my translation):

For his strongly conspiratorial book, von Bülow has cobbled together various more- or less-plausible doubts concerning the events of 9/11. The author suggests a scenario all his own: The hijacked planes were actually remote-controlled by secret agents and directed into the twin towers. However, the impact of the planes alone would not have collapsed the two buildings. Therefore, key load-bearing pillars in the buildings were simultaneously detonated. The point of the action: Israel and the CIA wanted to use the attacks as pretexts in order to be able to continue their anti-Islamic foreign policy unhindered.

Secret agents! Remote-controlled planes! Simultaneous explosions! Scheming, murderous Americans and Jews! It's like a Bond film -- only stupider.

Who believes this tosh, you ask? A surprising number of people who should know better -- and at least three apparently-normal humans I've met in the last week. A couple of them are even lawyers, which is pretty disturbing. Fortunately, they are still a small minority, and forces of reason are also afoot in Europe. Der Spiegel, for instance, never known for its fanatically pro-U.S. coverage, has devoted a good long article to pointing out how utterly stupid these theories are. The English version is here.

When I encounter one of these folks who is not an attractive female, I've developed a catalog of questions for them. It goes a little like this. OK, if you're such an expert on the 9/11 attacks and the "myth" of Islamic extremist terrorism, I'd like you to tell me: How many hijackers were there (according to the "official version")? About how many persons managed to use cellphones to call relatives from the airplanes during the hijackings? What countries did the hijackers come from? What is the name of the [alleged] 20th hijacker, who is currently on trial in the United States? Who was the financial and logistical mastermind of the 9/11 attacks? Is he still on the loose, or has he been captured? Who is acknowledged as the spiritual father of modern Islamic extremism? When, where and how did this person die?

I could go on, but usually 5-10 questions is enough. I have yet to meet any of the Euro-conspirators who can answer more than 1 or 2 of them, and most can't answer any at all, even the most simple. It's disappointing how lazy these folks are. A real conspiracy buff, after all, knows even the official "inside" story absolutely cold, and you can often learn something from him. These people, however, haven't the faintest idea what the official story is, and cannot even formulate one plausible argument to explain why they doubt it.

At the end of my cross-examination, they are usually humiliated and silent. Sometimes they mumble something about how they're "still not convinced," or about how "there's no point learning all these fake details, because they have nothing to do with the real cause of the attacks, etc." But, in fact, they look like the fools they are, and they're not happy about it.

Then I switch from bad cop to good cop. I say to them: "Listen, I've got a suggestion for you. If you're such an expert on the attacks, and so interested in them, I suggest you read the Report of the 9/11 Commission. It's free, you can download it here. I've read it myself; it's thorough, surprisingly well-written, and dramatic. After you've read it, let's meet again and you can explain to me what its weak points are."

I haven't had any takers yet...

Hollywood Actor Charlie Sheen Calls 9/11 'Conspiracy Theory'
Posted Mar 22, 2006

"Call me insane but did it sort of look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition?"
That’s what Hollywood bad boy and actor Charlie Sheen asked his brother after watching the news coverage of 9/11 back in 2001.
In an interview with Alex Jones this week, a liberal radio talk show host for GCN Radio Network, Sheen relived his thoughts and shared his theories on what happened that historic day four-and-a-half years ago. According to Sheen, not only were President Bush and his administration involved in what he calls a "conspiracy theory," but the press was too.
"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets: that feels like a conspiracy theory," Sheen said.


Hollywierd is alive and kicking.

Moved to Post-9/11 Era > 9/11 fact and fiction.

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Funny that people want to slag off on people for believing differently on 9/11, but then they're not conspiracy theorists for believing all those falsehoods about Iraq despite the contrary evidence. Hypocrisy of conservatives is alive and kicking.

Quick little oddity in the world of television:

March 4th, 2001, the TV series 'Lone Gunman' debuts on FOX. It's a spin-off of the hugely successful 'The X-Files.'

In the pilot episode, in the climax, the main characters find out that a government agency plans to remotely crash a 727 jetliner into the World Trade Center in order to keep tensions high and increase arms sales.

Fortunately for the Lone Gunman, crisis is averted.

Quote from the show: "The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stock pile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully-loaded 727 into the middle of New York City; you'll find a dozen tin-pot dictators all over the world, just clamoring to take responsibility. And begging to be smart bombed."

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"You're telling me you're going to fake some terrorist thing just to scare some money out of Congress?"

"Well, unfortunately, I have no idea how to fake killing 4,000 people, so we're just gonna have to do it for real. We'll blame it on the Muslims, naturally. Then, I'll get my funding."

The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996) starring Gena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson.

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Socialist liberals in Hollywood were behind putting Muslims up to 9/11.

And moronic neocon's in Washington were behind cashing in on it.

Unfortunately, that statement is true

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Dubya's laughing at the "superior" intellect all the way to a second term.

Luncheon is soived. Bon appetit.

Ah man, you're biting off me now? Must be rough times in Dubyaland indeed.

Let me grab some Bagel Bites for you, chief.

Back to the topic- does anyone else just find the coincidence of the Lone Gunman episode a little odd?

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Ah yes, the Bourne Identity. David Webb has no idea who he is...so they call him "Bourne" he was born out of twisted minds for these twisted minds deadly devices.

These Bournes rarely come out of it...some have and lived to tell...some have told and not lived to tell. Bournes are programmed to self destruct at certain points, especially at disclosure of their programmers.
Bournes must be deprogrammed, or they live in a continuous neverending cycle of perpetrator/abuser against themselves and others.

Quite frankly, their programmers are as culpable, if not more culpable in these crimes against humanity...but usually get away with it...
However, people are catching on to these "children of diablo."

http://www.wwtdd.com/images/sheen2.jpg

Charlie Sheen (who never finished Santa Monica High School because he was expelled for poor attendance and bad grades just weeks before graduation) has called for a new independent investigation of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States. Sheen (who has been arrested five times for drug possession, soliciting prostitutes and credit card fraud) says he has problems believing the government's official version of events. Sheen (who was engaged to porn star Ginger Lynn and once made plans to fake her death, then have her undergo extensive plastic surgery and assume a new identity to hide her past) says that the biggest conspiracy theory was put out by the government itself, but the public may finally be catching on:

"It feels like from the people I talk to in and around my circles, it seems like the worm is turning."

Sheen may believe that because he heard something from a hooker at a coke party in Malibu, and then heard the same thing from a hooker at a coke party on South Beach, the whole country is talking about it, but Sheen (who has been in rehab for drug and alcohol addiction at least 3 times) is quick to point out that he has had lingering questions from the very first day.

"There was a feeling, it just didn't look any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life and then when the buildings came down later on that day I said to my brother 'call me insane, but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition'?"

Oh, Chuck, stop, man… my sides are hurting…

Now, I haven't seen as many buildings explode because someone speared it with a 767 as Charlie Sheen apparently has, so I don't pretend to know how to compare the two, but one time I went into the kitchen and my dog was eating my peanut butter and jelly sandwich, even though my dog had never shown the skill or training necessary to steal my peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the past. Charlie and I talked about, and we totally agree that President Bush was behind it.

The Killer Outside --- from the Bourne Identity

Amsterdam, Netherlands. The Local Contact – from the Bourne Supremacy

<Mystic and Heck! cut me some slack, will ya? >

Why do you continually slam an actor named "Charlie Sheen?" Just because he had lots of sex with Heidi's girls? How is he any different than your management?

If you want to stop talking in fairy tales and talk about what you really know...tell me, do these words mean anything to you?

C is for Charlie
D is for Delta

Cain is for Charlie and Delta is for Cain.

There is a really cool electronic dance song out now...

it goes something like this:

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
Oscar Foxtrot Foxtrot

Don't take this personally, but seriously, have you been a little "recreational?" I mean, I've tried reading some of your previous posts and they seem a bit… well, shall we say… disjointed?

"The Cold War's over, John. But with no clear enemy to stock pile against, the arms market's flat. But bring down a fully-loaded 727 into the middle of New York City; you'll find a dozen tin-pot dictators all over the world, just clamoring to take responsibility. And begging to be smart bombed."

I still find it odd that science fiction writers can predict 9/11 but the CIA can't.

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What do you think of that quote?

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Charlie Sheens credentials do not really matter. His comments influenced a poll and the majority of people didnt believe the government line. Democracy says that the people have the say which at present says "the government are lying". Blind patriotism doesnt win the vote on reality at this time.

Actually I think the CIA did predict terrorists would fly planes into buildings. They just didn't know who or when or what buildings.

A business man walks through the metal detector at the airport and boards a plane. He's dresses in a button down shirt and nice slacks maybe even a sports jacket. Everything looks normal. Unbeknownst to the passengers the man get's up from his seat and slits the throat of the flight attendent and enters the cockpit through an unsecure door. Meanwhile two other men in business dress get up and do the same. It's a hijacking, no biggie they will just demand to be flown somewhere where the pilot lands the plane and the SWAT team will storm the plane and take out the terrorist. It's happened many times in the past and usually most everyone makes it out alive. But this time is different, it's 9/11.