Slobodan Milosevic found dead in prison cell |
| Posted by: kevdaddy | | Former Yugoslav president was on trial for war crimes at The Hague
7:35 a.m. ET March 11, 2006
BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro - Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has died, the U.N. tribunal said on Saturday.
Milosevic, 64, suffered a heart condition and high blood pressure which had repeatedly interrupted his trial in the Hague on charges of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during the bloody disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Got mixed feelings about him dying. all I can say is that I hope he burns in hell for what he did. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Wow. He died before they could convict him. I had no idea that he had a heart condition. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | Yeah, he's had the condition for a long time, I was thinking this would happen because his health was the subject of news stories in the past. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Well he wanted to go to Russia for treatment but the Hague rightly refused saying that he would receive better or the same standard of helath care in the Netherlands. He was allowed better treatment than most though in terms of healthcare he was allowed his on personal doctor how many prsioners get that.
There are a few nationalists that want this guy burioed in the heroes cemtery for what ? lets face it atrocity aside theis guy was a LOSER he split the country up he lost Croatia, he all but lost Kosovo ( expected to declare independace in the coming weeks) and lost Montenegro without so much as a shot being fired? he was burned out of office had NATO come after and was shunned by the West and spent the last years of his life in a cell where exactly is the hero in all of that?
Now that he is dead we MUST capture Karadzic and Mladic. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Yeah he was till on trial by all accounts a verdict was expected on some of the 122+ charges in a couple of weeks.
It has also been reported that he may have comitted suicide which would not suprise me. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | |
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EUCLID said this in post #8 :
There is also the accusation that he was poisoned. |
Yeah I just read that, that seems to be the predominant accusation when any leader dies. But then looking at the Ukranian President, it comes as no surprise either.
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Yeah but it would be difficult to poision him, the only people that had access to him was his doctor and guards. Mind you this guy made a lot of enemies. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Offcial reports are now saying that the cause of death was heart failure ( unusual as I though Milosevic lacked a heart) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | NBC News just reported that although S.M. died of heart failure, they are not certain that poison did not cause it. They will do more testing to see if there are any poisons in his body.
How could he have poisoned himself?
I would think that if you have an ultra high profile prisoner, you would want to make sure that he could not kill himself and that nobody else could kill him.
The death of S.M. forever clouds the fairness of the trial. Some will say he was murdered because they could not convict him. They will say the autopsy was a sham.
It does not help that the trial went on for a decade or so. Maybe it takes that long to go through the evidence, but the longer it goes, the more indecisive it looks. He certainly could have died of natural cause, but there is a lot to be said for not letting the trial outlive the defendant. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Well you can't predict when somebody is going to die and in terms of average life expectancy Milosevic was not that old.
The only reason the trial wen on for so long was because of the massive amounts of laws that he had broken , did you know the charge sheet runs into 122 pages. The reason that it also went on for so long is that Milosevic defended himslef ( he was a lawyer) and very much like Sadamms trial he ued it for personal and political rants the only diffrence is that the judges in the hague would not take any of his s**t. His illness and refusal to treatment did not help the length of the trail either.
All in all there are going to be a lot of his victims who like you said will feel robbed of justice especially so close to the verdict. As for me I am torn I am glad he is dead but I am angry he never paid for his atrocites.
Intrestingly I don't know if you heard but Milosevics co - accused also croaked it in a jail 4 days before Milosevic died. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Well I said this guy was a loser andf it appears that I was right. Milosevic it appears poisoned himslef by accident.
Most people know Miloesvic wnated to go to Russia for treatment but the Hague decided that Holland has better medical care and he could be treated in Amsterdam which Milosevic refused. Anyway it appears that his personal doctor gave him drugs that would worsen his condition ( so much for the hippocratic oath) and that would maybe convince the Hague to send him to Russia for treatement and no doubt escape. Milosevic however screwed up and either took the wrong dosage or mixed the drugs and killed himself, what an idiot.
There are arguements about his fuenral because of the location you see Milosevcs family want it in Belgrade and want a state funeral ( will never happen) but there are securty risks plus the fact that Miolsevics wife wants it in Russia ( where she and her son are exiled) because if she so musch as steps foot in Russia she will be arrested and sent to the Hague for her part in the genocide. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | I saw an NBC News piece this morning about an urgent appeal for NATO or the U.N. to step in and end the ethnic genocide that is under way in Chad and Sudan. They referred to the perpetrators as an Arab militia called the Janjaweed. It sounded like a lot of innocent people are being murdered. They did not give a reason for it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | It's mainly Sudan, Darfur to be exact the Janjaweed have been about for a while they are Sunni Muslim well armed but poorly trained. They are government backed and were biorn in response to attacks on the government by two groups called the Juistice movement and the Sudanese Liberation army. The Janjaweed have been accused of ethnic cleansing and around 10,000 have died at thier hands.
They have in the past chased fleeing refugees in to Chad but the Chad army fought them back.
At this time the Sudanese government have denied any knowledge or Darfur and have distanced themselves from the Janaweed. There are certain governemnts concerned about Darfur giving aid etc but to date the Frnech are the only country to send UN troops the troops however have a small chace of doing anything as A the Janjaweed want nothin to do with real soldiers and B the attacks are lighting quick normally by car, so by the time you try and stop the attack it is already over. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EUCLID | | This morning NBC reported that no chemicals or medications were found in Milosevic's body, and that he died of natural causes. So which report do we believe?
1. He was poisoned.
2. He committed suicide.
3. He accidentally overdosed on prescribed drugs.
4. He accidentally overdosed on prescribed drugs that his doctor gave him with the intent to make him sicker so that he could possibly go to Russia for treatment.
5. His doctor made a mistake in the case of item #4, and gave him too strong of a dose.
6. He died of natural causes.
How's that for a decisive outcome? Not only are there questions about the cause of his death, but more important, there is no verdict in the monumental trial. I would not be surprised if they just keep the trial going so they can find him guilty. But then again, maybe they killed him because they realized that they could not convict him. Just a few thoughts. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
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EUCLID said this in post #18 :
This morning NBC reported that no chemicals or medications were found in Milosevic's body, and that he died of natural causes. So which report do we believe?
1. He was poisoned.
2. He committed suicide.
3. He accidentally overdosed on prescribed drugs.
4. He accidentally overdosed on prescribed drugs that his doctor gave him with the intent to make him sicker so that he could possibly go to Russia for treatment.
5. His doctor made a mistake in the case of item #4, and gave him too strong of a dose.
6. He died of natural causes.
How's that for a decisive outcome? Not only are there questions about the cause of his death, but more important, there is no verdict in the monumental trial. I would not be surprised if they just keep the trial going so they can find him guilty. But then again, maybe they killed him because they realized that they could not convict him. Just a few thoughts. |
I believe, HE'S DEAD. Good Riddence!
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| Posted by: EUCLID | |
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USA1 said this in post #19 :
I believe, HE'S DEAD. Good Riddence! |
No question about that, but that is a tiny, insignificant detail.
Trials of national leaders who have obviously committed mass murder are not so much about the guilt or innocence of the perpetrator, but rather, about the resolution of the wider context that enabled the perpetrator.
Such infamous leaders are larger than life. That is why the trial has to do more than merely resolve the fate of the perpetrator. The trial is far more about resolution (closure) for the surviving victims than it is about Milosevic. In this case, the victims lost.
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