The Difference Between Europe And Us

Post-9/11 Era Forum

AP/Ipsos Poll: Americans Want Execution For Saddam If Convicted, While "Allies" Prefer Life Sentence.

A new Ipsos-AP poll provides another example of just how different we are from Europe on issues of crime and punishment. A strong majority of Americans think Saddam should be executed after being convicted. Most Europeans think he should sit in jail for life.

I thought it was widespread knowledge that a majority of Europeans do not favor the death penalty.

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I have no idea what would be done with Hitler, historical hypothetical capital punishment scenarios are not my speciality.

Back in the 40's I would wager that he would have been swinging with the rest of his comrades that were captured.

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Not to mention some 9/11 families want Moussaoui to be spared execution, go figure.

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The point being you don't like Europeans?

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When in 'HECK's World' act accordingly. And while one is at it, one might read the thread-starter describing the point in question.

Fair enough, 'Chief-dude.' Now then, let's take into account all the negative threads about America that h@ts—and you create. (Granted, your threads are not directly anti-U.S.—they're clearly designed to instigate anti-Bush, anti-American govent. hysteria.) And of course h@ts… well, that much transperancy requires no further comment. When was the last time you expressed to him that you felt he was being anti-American?

You can label me as disliking Europeans, and you'd be correct—partly. I hold a fair amount of contempt for those who stand on a soap-box to blame America first—particularly when most of their ills are self-wrought. To those Europeans who do not hate America I apologize all over the place for my generalization, it excludes them—but all polls that I have ever seen bear witness to this reality—not to mention my personal experiences over there. Shoot, call be politically incorrect, and a "continentist."

So try not to get all preachy-like and bent outta shape when the shoe's on the other foot. Let's have a civil discussion. Or not. I'm good. But 'if I'm lyin' I'm dyin.'

Well first off we can take Hawk as at least one European who is for the death penalty. However in the case of Sadamm killing him is to me the easy and quick way out of the situation at best the guy might reach 80 years old so i say let him sit and rot in jail for the rest of his natural life. If he is executed then we all know exactly how he will go down telling every one that he is the rightfull ruler of Iraq and thewre will be no remorse when he faces the gallows. at leasdt if he is in a cell for the rest of his life he may not be remorsefull but he will have at least 30 years to think about what he did,

Look at the death of that **** Milosevic he is dead do you think his victims have closure? the only diffrence between Sadamm and Miolsevic is that we kill Sadamm with the word justice in forn of it.

However the is not up to Europe or the US it's in the hands of the Iraqis and I will respect thier descion but I don't think killing him will bring closure.

Am I surprised to hear "Desert Hawk" support of death penalty ? Of course, no. It is a logical choice for someone who has everytime clearly resorted to simplistic (not to say caricatural) ideas / opinions / schemes about the issues at hand.
Yes, lots of europeans are against this legalised barbary that is death penalty. Trying to explain why to people like D . H. is just a waste of time.

Do you want to kill Saddam Hussein, or Zacharias Moussaoui ? Just do it and make "martyrs" of them. At least for Moussaoui, that's just what he is waiting for.

Desert Hawk you constantly bring accusations of anti-americanism, as a generalisation, levered at those who dare to challenge / question the way the Bush admin is leading the US and more generally meddling into other countries business. In the same time, you openly and continuously bash and insult the very same Europeans (at least used to do it) with ignominous articles. Talk about hypocrisy. Most of these europeans, yet very critical regarding the administration, do not express generalized disdain and contempt towards the people like you do. You are the one who have a problem here. You still need to get that.

You see I am not quite sure where you are attempting to go with this debate joe. I mean is this the end of it do we close the thread because I can't see it going much further, we all agree US wants an eye for an eye and Europe wants people to rot in jail for thier crimes.

If you are attempting to say that European people are bad and wrong because they don't want Sadamm executed well that to me is rather pathetic and flies in the face of allowing us to have diffrence of opinion.

The thing about the poll is that there are some major things left out that I would like to know for example when it was taken, how it was taken and in what countries it was taken, I would like to knoe the margin of error and most importantly how many were asked you see there are more people in europe than in the US so the amount of people asked is important to the poll. If you only asked young people in the Germany and France then you get a no to the death penalty but if you asked older people in Britain and the eastern european states you might get a yes for execution. Was this poll carried out in every European country becasue if it was not then how can it reflect the whole of the European population?

If Saddam had given the U.S. the same kind of money laundering deal that the House of Saud did in double crossing their populous , Saddam would be called a great man of peace,a great friend of democracy etc ,and no one would be talking about a death penalty .