Is racial profiling good or bad for Americans? |
| Posted by: HECK! | | Law enforcement agencies often use 'racial profiling' as a method of finding potential criminals. But should people be singled out because of their race?
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| Posted by: USA1 | | You should add one that is related to circumstance. That is ususally the only time it would be used right?
If I'm looking for a middle-eastern man, why should I bother chasing grandma and baby Jessica? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | As a person that has been pulled over for being black, I can't support racial profiling in any way shape or form. In addition, John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, and the thwarted attack in LA should tell racial profiling supporters how stupid the idea is. They know Americans are racist and will even target Sikhs, so terror groups will just not use Middle Easterners. They were planning on using East Asians in Los Angeles.
Racial profiling is stupid and the people that support it are just setting themselves up for failure if they want to rely on it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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USA1 said this in post #2 :
You should add one that is related to circumstance. That is ususally the only time it would be used right?
If I'm looking for a middle-eastern man, why should I bother chasing grandma and baby Jessica? |
Well, if there is an APB for a person of a certain gender, sex or creed, then yeah, that makes sense. But racial profiling is more scoping out people because of their race then finding out if they are breaking the law later. In the minds of some in law enforcement, they see certain races as more apt to committ certain crimes and act accordingly.
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| Posted by: Mr. F | | There is a highway in Florida where more drug smugglers are caught than anywhere in America. The Florida Highway Patrol used to just look for Cuban males, early 20's, lots of jewelry, in expensive cars. When Cuban rights groups found out they were arresting 98% Cubans they had a cow. Now they are forced to search another car every time they pull over one with a Cuban in it. Their arrest rate has been cut in half, but they are still arresting 98% Cubans. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USA1 | | Our PC world will eventaully lead us to make more mistakes than if we profiled for specific threats. By doing a random search, (leaving many to pass) we stop ourselves from doing the right job.
I can recall when profiling at Wallmart caused a lawsuit by blacks because makeup being stolen for (black) women was an epidemic. They placed anti-theft devices on only the black make-up. Why? Becasue it was the only make-up being stolen. Blacks attacked Walmart for profiling and racism.
The deterant by Walmart sounds acceptable to me from an economical standpoint. Why waist $ preventing something that doesn't happen. (white make-up being stolen)
The fact that this turned into a race or issue was ridiculous. The profiling was acceptable from my point of view. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Mr. F | |
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Inner City Blues said this in post #6 :
How many people do they stop that are innocent? |
I dont remember the numbers, this was from a tv news show years ago. The jist of the show was that they were confiscating half as much drugs as before. the solution they were looking at was to hire more police
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
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Mr. F said this in post #5 :
There is a highway in Florida where more drug smugglers are caught than anywhere in America. The Florida Highway Patrol used to just look for Cuban males, early 20's, lots of jewelry, in expensive cars. When Cuban rights groups found out they were arresting 98% Cubans they had a cow. Now they are forced to search another car every time they pull over one with a Cuban in it. Their arrest rate has been cut in half, but they are still arresting 98% Cubans. |
So by not racial profiling they let 50% of the drugs pass through by inspecting other non profiled cars?
Brilliant!
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
I think most do profiling anyway. They have to check out Grandma and baby Jessica to make it look PC.
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | |
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Mr. F said this in post #8 :
I dont remember the numbers, this was from a tv news show years ago. The jist of the show was that they were confiscating half as much drugs as before. the solution they were looking at was to hire more police |
So you don't know...so if you stop 100 people and 10 of them are guilty of a crime, then we should continue to stop those people just because we can get those ten people? If you stopped every car, the number of arrests and confiscations would increase.
It's assured that by not monitoring everyone that things will get through, but that's what a free society with equality for all entails. Your basic mantra is: All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others. That's wrong and unconstitutional. We could stop many crimes in this country if we had checkpoints at every corner, but then we wouldn't have a free society.
What is your view of the Constitution? Who does it protect? Does it protect criminals? If it does protect criminals, does that mean you should infringe on the rights of the law abiding just because it increases your chances of catching a criminal?
Reading some of the comments here, I can just tell that some of you do not live with minorities.
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| Posted by: Nikole_rayn | | I think its bull....i live in a predominately white small town....my boyfriend is black but a good guy and he has been pulled over for nonsense at least 7 times in the last year. (He NEVER recieved any sort of ticket or fine) I drive the same car and have been pulled over one time. (and that was at like 2am pulling away from a bar where I was NOT drinking  The profiling is ridiculus and some cities are messed up with it....grrrrr i dunno this subject makes me mad | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
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Nikole_rayn said this in post #13 :
I think its bull....i live in a predominately white small town....my boyfriend is black but a good guy and he has been pulled over for nonsense at least 7 times in the last year. (He NEVER recieved any sort of ticket or fine) I drive the same car and have been pulled over one time. (and that was at like 2am pulling away from a bar where I was NOT drinking The profiling is ridiculus and some cities are messed up with it....grrrrr i dunno this subject makes me mad |
Are these all white cops? In Milwaukee, it's the other way around. Black cops let the black perps go. I have witnessed this first hand.
I understand what you are saying about him being stopped. We see this also in the rural communities that are predominately white. Although, if you are driving a piece of crap car through an affluent area in the burbs, you will most likely get stopped and race has nothing to do with that. When you stick out like a sore thumb in some areas, they (cops) inherently get suspicious. I've seen this first hand also.
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| Posted by: Mr. F | |
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Inner City Blues said this in post #12 :
So you don't know...so if you stop 100 people and 10 of them are guilty of a crime, then we should continue to stop those people just because we can get those ten people? If you stopped every car, the number of arrests and confiscations would increase.
The point of the show was that if 98% of the drugs were being smuggled by Cuban males, it isnt cost effective to search vehicles of another demographic
Reading some of the comments here, I can just tell that some of you do not live with minorities. |
Thats funny, of the Mexican and black friends I have, half of them agree with profiling. Most do have stories though
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| Posted by: HECK! | | I think it easier for white people to agree with racial profiling since it mainly doesn't effect them.
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
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HECK said this in post #16 :
I think it easier for white people to agree with racial profiling since it mainly doesn't effect them.
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What? Most of the racist comments I hear lately are blacks against whites.
Blacks have a free ticket now to be racist against whites because whites won't stand up to them for fear of 'another' race card being thrown out. Blacks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Farakomie have a free reign on making racist comments about whites.
Look at all the organizations for blacks only now. If whites had those, we would be considered racist. The names of the organizations even distiquish them as blacks only.
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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USA1 said this in post #17 :
What? Most of the racist comments I hear lately are blacks against whites.
Blacks have a free ticket now to be racist against whites because whites won't stand up to them for fear of 'another' race card being thrown out. Blacks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Farakomie have a free reign on making racist comments about whites.
Look at all the organizations for blacks only now. If whites had those, we would be considered racist. The names of the organizations even distiquish them as blacks only. |
Where do you live, out of curiosity?
Blacks have a free ticket to be racist against whites? Whites won't stand up out of fear of the race card?
For the record, I am white, in case no one knew 
There are organizations for blacks only, like the NAACP, etc. Hate to tell you, but there are clubs with predominantly white members- congress, senate and the White House for starts. Look at the majority of CEO's and owner's in the Forbes 500. Other than Oprah, how many black billionaires are there?
I think that affirmative action and/or the 'hate crime' mantra is used too often and incorrectly. I went to high school with a guy who beat up two men, drunkenly, who turned out to be gay. They said 'hate crime' and he went to prison for 6 years. He was just getting in a fight, in his mind. I got in a fight with a black kid in Jr. High who, after we were called into the principal's office, said I called him the 'N' word. I did no such thing and have never, ever uttered that word out of spite or with malice. Yeah, sometimes, some people misuse or take advantage of certain sociological taboo's. Like white people don't do that? Hispanics? Life is tough, wear a helmet.
If there was a National Association for the Advancement of Whitey, would you really join? Is there something missing that you need a NAAW? I don't. Historically, African-Americans have gone through hell in this country, while they have made tremendous strides, there is still not total equality. I don't think there should be special treatment and I am not a fan of Affirmative Action, but it is obvious that the playing field is not level. I think that Jackson and Sharpton should shut their pie holes on some issues, but the community they represent needs a voice. Often one has to go to the extreme to get met in the middle.
This White's Man's Burden is a testament of the unhappy middle aged white guy who is pissed that someone of color is getting something he isn't.
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| Posted by: USA1 | |
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HECK said this in post #18 :
Where do you live, out of curiosity?
Blacks have a free ticket to be racist against whites? Whites won't stand up out of fear of the race card?
For the record, I am white, in case no one knew
There are organizations for blacks only, like the NAACP, etc. Hate to tell you, but there are clubs with predominantly white members- congress, senate and the White House for starts. Look at the majority of CEO's and owner's in the Forbes 500. Other than Oprah, how many black billionaires are there?
I think that affirmative action and/or the 'hate crime' mantra is used too often and incorrectly. I went to high school with a guy who beat up two men, drunkenly, who turned out to be gay. They said 'hate crime' and he went to prison for 6 years. He was just getting in a fight, in his mind. I got in a fight with a black kid in Jr. High who, after we were called into the principal's office, said I called him the 'N' word. I did no such thing and have never, ever uttered that word out of spite or with malice. Yeah, sometimes, some people misuse or take advantage of certain sociological taboo's. Like white people don't do that? Hispanics? Life is tough, wear a helmet.
If there was a National Association for the Advancement of Whitey, would you really join? Is there something missing that you need a NAAW? I don't. Historically, African-Americans have gone through hell in this country, while they have made tremendous strides, there is still not total equality. I don't think there should be special treatment and I am not a fan of Affirmative Action, but it is obvious that the playing field is not level. I think that Jackson and Sharpton should shut their pie holes on some issues, but the community they represent needs a voice. Often one has to go to the extreme to get met in the middle.
This White's Man's Burden is a testament of the unhappy middle aged white guy who is pissed that someone of color is getting something he isn't.
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I understand what you are saying but, if there WAS a NAAW, there would be a lot of screeming. Apparently white people aren't preceived as being discriminated against. It does exist.
And yes,you can have BLack this or Black that organization but not a White this or White that. This is all I am saying.
If a white leader said the things about blacks that FaraKomie does about whites, there would be race riots over it.
Yes, historically blacks did go through hell. All of those involved with slavery are dead and thanks to great people like MLK, blacks have the ability to achieve great things now and there are really no limits unles they are SELF inflicted llimits.
When things don't go well, the race card seems just too handy. Those days are over for most people and the race card isn't in my vocabulary as an excuse for anyone.
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