Time To Deploy The F-117s EN FORCE

Iran Forum

TIME TO NUKE THE HADJIS IN IRAN.

ONLY A MATTER OF TIME NOW.

AND IRAN IS ONLY THE START.

Yeah that type of eagerness for war is what got us into the mess in Iraq.

YEP, THAT 'TYPE OF EAGERNESS' IS NECESSARY WHEN DEALING WITH HADJIS WITH GUNS AND NUKES.

THAT'S THE ONLY MEANS THEY UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT.

ALLAH AHKBAR!

Not when your armed forces are streched to breaking point it's not, not when your country risks being financially crippled it's not and not before the international community makes a descion it's not.
Have you considred the implications of going straight into combat with Iran?

IF AS MUCH 'CONSIDERATION' WENT INTO THE 'IMPLICATIONS' OF AS NATURAL A THING AS SEX, MANKIND WOULD BECOME EXTINCT.

THE ONLY CONSIDERATION HADJIS WITH GUNS AND NUKES UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT (AND THUS DESERVE) IS SIMPLE, UNADULTARATED FORCE. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN COMBAT. RATHER, BOMB 'EM (AT LEAST THEIR INDUSTRIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO BEGIN WITH) BACK TO THE DARK(ER) AGES.

I'D GLADLY PAY UP TO $10/GALLON AT THE PUMPS TO LIVE TO SEE THAT.

NOW GO MEET THE DAY.

No you see I am thinking like a solider somebody who has actually seen combat and planned combat missions ( something you have never done). Now if we were going to just go and f**k everyone and everything in Iran the no planning necessary might want to pace yourself maybe but depnds on your stamina.

Now war does actually take a bit of planning for example have you heard of IAEA rule 44 ehich states that no country can NEVER EVER bomb an operational nuclear facility even in a war situation. How do you get past that situation smart ass? I mean I assume you want to stop the production of the nukes? How do attempt to keep Israel out of this conflict? How do you stop the terrorists flooding in from Iraq? What do you do if Iraq denied you access to cross the border? how do you find the troops to police Iraq, The US, Afghanistan and fight a war in Iran? How are you going to fund the war? how do prepare your air force to fight against a country that has an actual air force ( US has not done that for many years? how do you deal with Irans navy? How many units of special forces do you need how long before the invasion will they be entering the country? are you going to go for a land, air or amphibous assault? will you lead with heavy artillery or troop advamcemnet, how many troops can you afford to lose in terms of securing areas you have captured, are you ready for a chemical attack? how long will it take to mobolise you attack units? what units are speicialists for this type of battle? who commands the coalition? will certain groups be exempt from top commanders?, timescale?, Plan B, C and D just in case and finnally exit strtegy?

Thats how you fight and win a war you don't just load up the planes and got for it. Again we wnt your way in Iarq and what happend 2000 Dead American soldiers mainly Marines and from what I ahve seen from the US in action you need your marines so you need to train them up get them ready for your war now I don't know about the US but in the UK it takes 36 weeks to become a marine ( thats around 9 months) do you have that time if we follow your plan?

Let the UN and the real men deal with Iraq and Iran if we need to kill everyone we will get in touch with you.

I also would be assuming that when the time comes you will be first in line at the recruiting office are you rprepared to die for your country? because this is about more thne $10 worth of gas.

BREAKING NEWS: Iran ends voluntary cooperation with U.N. nuke watchdog, plans uranium enrichment talks with Russia.

BOMB 'EM, BOMB 'EM, BOMB 'EM.

BOMB THE NUCLEAR FACILITIES, BOMB THE MILITARY FACILITIES, BOMB THE FALLAFEL-MAKING FACILITIES. THEY BUILD MORE, WE BOMB MORE. THE NIGHTHAWKS CAN EASILY PENETRATE IRANI AIR DEFENSES AND TAKE CARE O' B'INESS.

LET 'EM KNOW AND WITNESS FIRST-HAND THAT THE WEST WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE EVIL-WITH-NUKES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!

SIMPLE, REALLY. THE TIME FOR TALK IS NO-LONGER CHEAP.

Yeah, and after that, bomb Russia.
After all, they are allies with Syria and Iran.

Instead Bush buddies with Putin....

What the hell is going on?

Iran ending voluntary cooperation surprises you? I only ask because they said this would happen if they were sent to the UNSC.

I would not say Iran and Russia are allies as such yes Russia has major business deals with Iran as does China but they both voted to send Iran to the UNSC hardly something an ally would do. In fact Russia has been the only country to try and stop this unilaterally it failed but at least it tried.

Mind you bobming will be a tough call for the USAF because it is likely that not one US pilot will have been in a position wher they are beiing shot at from the gropund and being engaged by an opposition air force, you can train for it simulate it but it is not like the real thing.

Alo looks like the US is going it alone the other countries have ruled out war and the US needs to keep Israel out like they, sorry we did in the Persian war

Who else does "business" with Iran and Syria? China? Both Communist countries?
Besides Russia and China...who else?

Well you see it's very difficult to do business with Iran because of the ILSA if you di business with Iran you can't do business witht the US now of course China is big and strong enough to do business with whoever it fancies.

However there are a few indivdual companies that do business with/in Iran:
Haliburton
GE
Siemens
Phillips
Finnish construction

If you have a 401 K pension plan your mopney will have been in Iran and Libya.

Siemens?

I knew I was good to quit that company when I did.
Oh, and I cashed in on my 401k...so it's no longer there.
By Phillips, do you mean the oil co?


Thanks for the information lodgebo!

No Phillips the Dutch electrical group.

From they way you write you appear to be tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that is unfair because not all people are the same. Not all Americans are gun tooting, islam beating need war to make me feel like a big man citizens like yourself, just as not all Muslims are intent on destroying the West by taking your course of action you could wound or kill people who do not like the way Iran is going but could equally end up hating the US for maiming them or killing thier family and then the problem goes full circle.

PS. YOu should try and find a guy who occaionaly visits this site - Curly Joe now he was like you.

MANY IN THE WEST JUST CANNOT POSSIBLY FATHOM THE DEGREE OF PERVERSION IN ISLAMIC RADICALISM. THESE PACIFISTS OF THE WEST ARE LIBERALLY CONFUSED, LIKE BAMBIS CAUGHT IN THE HEADLIGHTS. AT THE SAME TIME THE HADJI-JIHADIS HAVE A CRYSTAL CLEAR VISION OF AN ISLAMIC GLOBAL MONOPOLY, THE ROAD TO WHICH IS PAVED WITH THE SEVERED HEADS OF WESTERNERS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/04/wcart04a.jpg

Nukes, yes. But obviously we have to go the 'diplomatic' route first. It's obvious Iran is more of a threat than Iraq, but let's clean up one mistake before we try and avert nuclear war.

-HECK!

YES, THE, AHEM… 'DIPLOMATIC' ROUTE. (I NOTICED THE USE OF QUOTATION MARKS.) JOLLY GOOD! LET'S HAVE A 'CONVERSATION' WITH THE MAN WHO INSISTS ON WIPING ISRAEL OFF THE MAP.

GOOD HEAVENS, MAN!

We need some kind of international support before we disarm Iran, not to mention some time to lick our wounds, get public support back up and recruit levels on track. So in the meantime, let the UN do their dog and pony show, then once we're on the level it's time to disarm.

-HECK!

AWW… C'MON, YOU GOTTA GET A TAD CREATIVE TO GARNER SOME REPLIES IN THIS HERE THREAD…

OF COURSE THE DIPLOMATIC ROUTE WILL BE EXHAUSTED PRIOR TO MILITARY ACTION. BUT LET'S CUT THE CRAPPOLA AND GET REAL. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW, ALONG WITH MR. AHMADINEJAD, THAT DIPLOMACY WILL NEVER CUT THE MUSTARD(-GAS) HERE.

HOPEFULLY THE UNITED NATIONS WILL HAVE SOME ****'S THIS TIME AROUND AND MAKE SOME RESOLUTION OR SOMETHING AND ACTUALLY APPROVE SOME KIND OF BOMBING RAID ON THE NUCLEAR SITES THEMSELVES.

THEN LET IRAN DO WHATEVER IT'S GONNA DO. WHICH IS NOTHING.

HOPEFULLY ISRAEL WILL LET THE LOOSE THE EARLY DOGS OF WAR VIA A LOB OR TWO, CARE OF THOSE FINE AMERICAN AIRCRAFT THEY PURCHASED FROM US. THE MAIN LOGISTICAL PROBLEM BEING THE RANGE LIMITATION OF THESE PLANES. THEY WOULD NEED A PLACE TO LAND AND REFUEL ON THE WAY BACK. I GUESS THE ISRAELIS DON'T HAVE THOSE COOL REFUELING AIRPLANES TO DO SO ALOFT. MAYBE WE COULD LEND 'EM ONE.

I WANT RUSSIA TO DO IT. ROLL RIGHT IN AND TAKE THOSE NUKES OUTTA THERE BABY.


I WANT DOLPH LUNDRIN AND THE RED DAWN CREW TO ROLL UP ON THOSE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PLANTS AND TURN THE WHOLE COMPLEX INTO A SEA OF GLASS.


OR CHINA, EITHER ONE.

HAH, FOGET ABOUD IT. RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL NOT SO MUCH AS SAY BOO.

I CAN DREAM. ME WANTS ME WANTS.



I'M TIRED OF THE STATES PULLING ALL THE WEIGHT. LET EUROPE OR RUSSIA OR CHINA STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

NO ONE WANTS IRAN WITH NUKES, NOT EVEN OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES.

mostly hadji_hunter,

Is there a reason why you are SCREAMING all the time....???
For pity sakes man! Learn to use small caps in the appropriate places.....like after the beginning of a sentence and after names and places!!!!

Until then, I refuse to read someone SCREAMING all the time!

CAPS LOCK and the SHIFT KEY are not your friend!!!

Couple of things that have been said that need clarified.

Firstly I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that IAEA rules state that it is illegal to bomb a known operational nuclear facility even in times of war, all they are trying to do is prevent a worldwide disaster ( Cnernobyl proved how far Radiation can travel and still have a deadly affect)

Secondly No country wants Israel to get into a war with Iran or join any coalition. Remeber in the first gulf war when Sadamm to pot Shots at Tel Aviv with the Scuds? Israel was on the verge of invading Iraq to stop him, however Bush and Major and the French Pres knew that an Israeli invasion had the potential to kick off other countries to retaliate against Israel and leave us in a akward position that could have us stuck in the ME for many years to come ( glad that never happend), mind you it allowed thew UK speical forces to give old stormin Norman the two fingers, we ended up being his heroes .

Latly Russia and China should not be doing this alone I mean China probably could do it alone and probably from Beijing if they were given half a chance. However we are in this together and that does not mean backing away when the time for war comes because you are battle weary.

PS welcome back Hadji Joe.

Indeed.

So, F-117's, what do we think?

-HECK!

What if you lose one? I mena you have a better chance of one bieng shot down in Iran than the Blakans, Afghanistan and Iraq put together. At $300 million a go and a miltary budget at breaking point might be difficult especially when there is a better option than Stealths.

PS did the US not lose a stealth in the Balkans.

True, but with Dubya asking for more money in the trillions, I think he might want to put a few together. Awful big price tag on those bad boys. Guess gas is going to go back up.

-HECK!

Still I think missiles form the Trident subs might be a better and safer possibilty and you do have the perfect launch point as well namely the dispited waterway Shatt Al - Arab now depending on how deep it is you could potentially launch the missels from the water and considering that Irans navy is it's weakpoint you would not get much hassle.
I am not ruling out an air assualt but if you remember the Balkans NATO had exceelnt results with an air and sea assault as opposed to an assault on a single front.

N/M

whats N/M ?

I'm "ASSUMING" that he means... 'never mind'

Or, it could mean... "no monkeys"

Or, maybe it's secret coding for pounding sand, or something!

There was a broken link to something and a double post.

-HECK!

Regarding posts 44 and 45.

And that's all that I've got to say regarding ^that!!

It was not reaaly great restarint more a promise form the UK. Like I said before then as now the allies did not want Israel to attack an arab region for fear of starting a full scale ME war. So the allies promised Israel that the Scuds would be taken out by the allies. so the US asked the UK special forces to (a). Take out the comms links, (b) Not to damge the oil links that fed Jordan ( because Jordan would join Iraq) (c) Take out the mobile and immobile scud links. We wnet from kicking about a hanger doing sweet FA to straight in to the lions den.

The same will probably happen this time Israel will be asked to keep out. You think if the US and Israel attack Iran countries like Syria, Jordan etc etc will not get involved israel is not exactly got many friends in the ME. Now if Iran attacks first then that may put a diffrent angle on things but then again Iraq attacked first and they were told to stay out.

Anyone know how long the F - 16 will be in service? I mena it has been on the go since 76 so that makes it 30 years old. I only ask because most wetsren countries are revewing thier fighters the UK is ditching the Tornado for the Eurofighter which is meant to be the most advanced fighter on the planet ( might see first action in Iran). Have the Americans got anything up thier sleeve.

This is the most ridiculous conversation I have ever had the misfortune to read in black and white. "NUKE THIS, NUKE THAT...BOMB BOMB BOMB" You infants.
Your rage is nothing more than a babies tantrum. Someone suggested to go to the front line, I'd say you'd make good company there, blend in easy, but I'd never suggest you do that. Theres plently of pumped up brain dead idiots out there doing your will for you.
NUKE IRAN, BOMB IRAN - you haven't the first clue about Iran, not a notion, you just sit there all day looking a photographs of planes like a child. I'm actually laughing at you here your so pathetic, you have no idea do you. Seriously, this is funny stuff, what age are you by the way? 7? 8?
Its you, you and those like you who are the future of the failures of your country. You have no concept of the realities of power, its course in history and its downfalls. You and your infantile words are all the justification the world needs to point at your sadistic maliciousness and say THIS, THIS IS THE PROBLEM, this is America this is its brain at work... what happened your country at all?

As far as nuking Iran goes I would like to think that most people on this board are rational people and would not be up for that kind of reaction to the Iran crisis. We need to remember though that if Iran keeps taking the stance it has taken and makes the comments it has made then miltary action at some will be point will be inevitable.
Ireland you said your cooments were non destructive and everyone elses comments are destructive? the people who post have no power they are not descion makers they are just letting us know what they think should happen and I believe nobody really think that a tac nuke strike is an option that is on the table, like our comments yours will have no weight when the time for military action comes.
In short we should be able to let everyonr make thier point and not resort to a tantrum which is what you have done.


BTW not everyone who goes to the front line is a "pumped up brain dead idiot" I would suggest in future you choose your words more carefully and show a little respect.

I disagree. The time to bomb Iran was when they took our embassy in tehran, killed the USMarine guards and held our people captive for more than a year. Our timid response then has led us to all the problems since. Islam is a faith born from war. It has no respect for the west because of the restraint we have. They see restraint as fear, they see diplomacy as the path of cowards. They think of us as weak, frightened, decadent people who deserve to be conquered.

The way to fight them is with special forces. Assassination squads to take out all their top leaders, demolition teams to bring down their inslallations. Night vision technology to go always in the dark bringing fear to those who have used fear. Spare not one mosque, one imam or ayatollah. Drop not bombs but parachuting hit squads. fight terror with terror. Course we could just give peace a chance ha ha.

If this is some partisan slam against Jimmy Carter....remember a similar response by Ronald Reagan in 1983...absolutely nothing, nada:

No, I am not comparing anyone to anyone.

I am just merely stating that presidents Carter, Reagan and Bush 1 were a big part of the problem....

and yet you want to make it a partisan issue. Face it, they all messed up.

Oh, and of course, I left off Clinton.

2-2

Can you just imagine Jiminy fighting the war on terror of today!

I am looking at this from an objective point of view DH.

And I would have to also say, "Can you imagine Reagan, Bush 1, or Clinton fighting the war on terror today?

In fact, they all had their opportunities but for some reason, left it up to Bush II.
I think that is a lame duck. And I don't in any way blame Bush II for this.
He inherited a mess.

Besides, Jimmy is still in the game...meeting with Haitians....getting into the Israeli/Palestine mess....

Where is Reagan now?
Where was his mind before 2002 or so?

What about Bush I and Clinton? No, they are on a publicity campaign to right the wrongs of Hurricane Katrina/Rita, and the tsunami in Indonesia, India, and Africa while actually doing absolutely nothing except shaking some hands and forcing us to watch their ugly ass mugs in some mundane commercials.

<Boy are they ugly, yewee yuck>

To get another perspective other than the usual media view of Iraq read, the Baghdad Burning Blog, written by a young woman who lives in Baghdad. This posted Thursday, February 02, 2006

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

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