| Posted by: White Tiger | | I put I dunno, simply because of the fact that I am an Atheist but I am not a very strict Atheist. I like to think that their is some higher being out ther but whether its the Christian/Jewish God, Budda, Allah or any other god I dont know.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | I should probably restate. I know faith is proof, but I guess I mean hard scientific evidence, you know?
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Let's see, let me ponder this a couple of days and I'll get back wich ya...
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Through pondering and came to a conclusion when cleaning cat poop out of their litter boxes....
Whidden, what God are you talking about?...this poll is way too general.
I mean God means different things to different people.
It could mean their left shoe, pagan 'gods' that I won't even mention, football, higher self, higher power, whatever. Even atheists have some kind of god in their lives. Does capitalizing the g, mean it's the same god of the Freemasons. God forbid, or so some say.
So, I would probably agree with Lawless, maybe or maybe not for different reasons...."But" and it's a big but. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | Any God or creator or Gods.
It's meant to be general. Do you believe in a all powerful being or beings.
Not meant to say which is right, just meant to see how many people think there is something.
Doesn't nessesarily have to be the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.
Could be Thor.
Though I will state for the record, that Thor is BOGUS .
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| Posted by: Lawless | | nikiTa, the "but" that I was adding.... well, I left it at that, because I didn't want to get into a religious debate in here. Though, I will explain, a bit...
The but, for me, was intended to bring across my thoughts of my beliefs. I believe in God... but, I don't take the bible as concrete, and all. Because I believe that it wasn't all god-inspired... but, man-created, to control many a thing. Doesn't mean that I don't believe in God, or go to church. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Not to get into a heavy discussion here, but, I do want to say that I agree with you in one way about the Bible...
I do believe that the Scriptures are the inspired written Word of YHVH, but, I do agree with you in the fact that men and a couple of women, (perhaps in modern day), have interpreted Scripture in a way not intended by YHVH in order to control and keep the people enslaved to their particular agendas. We see that happening today in large numbers. I can only read the Scriptures for what is revealed to me...and rarely now do I believe what someone says about the Scriptures just because they say, "thus Saith the Lord."
And I am trying to reflect this change in me by not being so dogmatic about doctrine and such. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | I can't have lived my life and seen the things I've seen and say I don't believe in God. My faith is what keeps me going and it's probably the hardest thing in the world, reinforcing faith when you've seen things. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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Whidden said this in post #11 :
Could be Thor.
Though I will state for the record, that Thor is BOGUS .
***Sorry to offend Thor believers*** |
Choke on your lies!
http://www.samcci.comics.org/thor/thor.gif

Actually, there was a time and place where Thor was just as real to some people as any deity that mainstream religion believe in today.
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| Posted by: Whidden | | A God with a big mean looking Hammer is right up my alley.
A Thunder God would be weak in places that it didn't rain a lot though. Like Vegas, or Bagdad. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Yeah, if only they could of written a better bible, persecuted a few more, then Thor would have a few churches of his own .
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| Posted by: illuminate | | Yep.
But God is different for everyone - faith means different things to everyone. It's all in how you take it with you.
But yes I believe in God, go to church and all that schtufff. If I didn't... catholics are good at the guilt thing  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Pippin | |
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nikiTa said this in post #10 :
[...] Even atheists have some kind of god in their lives [...] |
No, you're thinking of Agnostics, people who aren't sure one way or the other. Atheists are the ones who don't have any religion at all.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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Pippin said this in post #22 :
No, you're thinking of Agnostics, people who aren't sure one way or the other. Atheists are the ones who don't have any religion at all. |
Nope. I am not thinking of agnostics here...although they too have a 'god' in their lives. Everyone does, I don't care who you are.
'god' doesn't have to mean in the religious otherworldy sense...I mentioned some other 'gods' in my post. I am talking about idols...like celebrities, or football, sex, your left shoe...everyone idolizes and puts something in their lives as being supreme...including those who would say they are the 'god' of their lives. It's ingrained in human nature.
So, when an atheist says they don't believe in 'god' I just laugh. Because everyone has a 'god'...be it otherworldy or of this world.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | nikiTa, while that might be true... I have to agree with Pippin. Becase an atheist does NOT believe in god. While you're right in the sense that people worship other things, such as money, football, etc... they still do NOT believe in a being that is supernatural, that created anything. They don't believe in god. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | And what other people are saying, and I have to agree, otherworldy 'gods' differ from people to people. It's a matter of what you esteem as being 'god.'
And my point is that it really doesn't matter if you call a deity/Deity a 'god' or if you choose a worldy 'god.' Because everyone has one. It's just semantics to say whether one's 'god' is supernatural or worldy, IMO. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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nikiTa said this in post #25 :
Nope. I am not thinking of agnostics here...although they too have a 'god' in their lives. Everyone does, I don't care who you are.
'god' doesn't have to mean in the religious otherworldy sense...I mentioned some other 'gods' in my post. I am talking about idols...like celebrities, or football, sex, your left shoe...everyone idolizes and puts something in their lives as being supreme...including those who would say they are the 'god' of their lives. It's ingrained in human nature.
So, when an atheist says they don't believe in 'god' I just laugh. Because everyone has a 'god'...be it otherworldy or of this world. |
a·the·ism
Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Personally, what each person chooses to believe is their right. And to be mocked for it, is disappointing in my eyes. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I'm not mocking anybody...just stating it plain that everyone and I mean everyone has a 'god' or 'gods'.
I used the left shoe instance because an American Indian told me once, "I don't care if you worship your left shoe...we all worship something."
It wasn't meant to be mocking at all. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Well, actually, if someone is an atheist, they in fact do not believe in a god or gods. That's what atheism means. Why can't you see that and why do you think even atheists believe in god?
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Maybe you don't understand what I am saying here...and I don't know how many more ways I can explain it.
A god does not have to mean a supernatural being.
We all, all of us have a void...it just depends what you choose to fill that void. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | So you're saying a 'god' could be an emotional crutch of some kind?
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Actually, this whole conversation is about a spiritual/religious type of belief. And, an atheist doesn't believe in a god that way. If we were discussing "worshipping" money, or music, or sex.... well, that would be understandable. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Well, when you get down to it, atheism is just a non-prophet organization.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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nikiTa said this in post #10 :
Through pondering and came to a conclusion when cleaning cat poop out of their litter boxes....
Whidden, what God are you talking about?...this poll is way too general.
I mean God means different things to different people.
It could mean their left shoe, pagan 'gods' that I won't even mention, football, higher self, higher power, whatever. Even atheists have some kind of god in their lives. Does capitalizing the g, mean it's the same god of the Freemasons. God forbid, or so some say.
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Wow, this was my first opinion and now 28 posts later...my original comments are an issue.
I guess wrapping it up in a nicely folded brown paper bag with perfectly geometric laiden white string, just ain't my style.
The effects of modernism on a post modern world is wreaking havoc on the minds, souls, spirits and emotions of people. The effects of the modernistic views that there are no absolutes, and truth is relative have produced the mess that is the post modern world today. And it isn't going to get better...
Haven't voted in this poll and I still won't either. I stand by my original post.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Thought you were done? Well, I admire your effort, but I still don't know what in the Wide, Wide World of Sports you're talking about.
Are you saying shoes and/or football is (G/g)od?
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I was through talking with you. I had a feeling I was over your head...not that I am any better, just I come from maybe a different perspective.
And so really I was done....I posted my original post and maybe expanded it a little.
I just found it odd (reiterating) that my original post was maybe ignored or something because I said exactly the same thing resulting in post #38.
Sorry, I know now that if I am not making sense to someone, it's a waste of time to keep arguing and bantering and then end up shaking fists because neither one of us no what the other is saying. So please don't take it personal. Just know that I value our banter enough on here not to take it to a bad extreme. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | No worries at all, I wasn't getting heated or anything. I don't think it was over my head, I just didn't get your point. But it's all good, I know where you're coming from when someone doesn't get what you're trying to express. S'all good. Onward and upward.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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HECK said this in post #41 :
Are you saying shoes and/or football is (G/g)od?
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Oh, boy, I thought we were through. 
I am saying anything put on a pedestal in our lives is a god.
Some choose a supernatural being.
Some choose something on this earth....
The list of these things, people, deities/Deities that folks put on a pedestal are endless and different for each person.
And just like polytheistic beliefs (beliefs in many gods), some people have several options in their pedestal repertoire.
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | Almost everyone I know worships sex.
It's actually rather annoying. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | |
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Whidden said this in post #45 :
Thor is BOGUS. |
Then you shall KNOW HIS WRATH!!!!!
I'm with Pippin on this one. We can sit in our own little corner and play jax while you guys debate on whatever it is you guys are debating over. 
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| Posted by: EthicalAtheist | | From Sam Harris' "The End of Faith"
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Our "freedom of belief", if it exists at all, is minimal. Is a person really free to believe a proposition for which he has no evidence? No. Evidence (whether sensory or logical) is the only thing that suggests that a given belief is really about the world in the first place. We have names for people who have many beliefs for which there is no rational justification. When their beliefs are extremely common we call them "religious"; otherwise, they are likely to be called "mad," "psychotic," or "delusional." Most people of faith are perfectly sane, of course, even those who commit atrocities on account of their beliefs. But what is the difference between a man who believes that God will reward him with 72 virgins if he kills a score of Jewish teenagers, and one who believes that creatures from Alpha Centauri are beaming him messages of world peace through his hair dryer? There is a difference, to be sure, but it is not one that places religious faith in a flattering light.
It takes a certain kind of person to believe what no one else believes. To be ruled by ideas for which you have no evidence (and which therefore cannot be justified in conversation with other human beings) is generally a sign that something is seriously wrong with your mind. Clearly, there is sanity in numbers. And yet, it is merely an accident of history that it is considered normal in our society to believe that the Creator of the universe can hear your thoughts, while it is demonstrative of mental illness to bellieve that he is communicating with you by having the rain tap in Morse code on your bedroom window. And so, while religious people are not generally mad, their core beliefs absolutely are. This is not surprising, since most religions have merely canonized a few products of ancient ignorance and derangement and passed them down to us as though they were primordial truths. This leaves billions of us believing what no sane person could believe on his own......
......We believe most of what we believe about the world because others have told us to. |
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| Posted by: HECK! | | OR- could God microwave a burrito so hot, even He could not eat it?
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| Posted by: Whidden | | If God has always existed, and always will exist, does that mean there are two gods, one living backwards in time and one living forward in time?
Or is it one God living in eternity, always past, always future, all at once? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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Whidden said this in post #55 :
Or is it one God living in eternity, always past, always future, all at once? |
I believe this. Blows a mind right through your TV.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | The big G is like Doc Brown in his mightly Delorian in the sky.
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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DaveyJones said this in post #60 :
Is god a male or Female?? |
The Hebrew God is depicted as male. Other Gods are Male or Female, depending on what culture's God you are talking about.
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| Posted by: Sayzak | | I chose "I dunno", not because I don't think about it or that I'm confused, but because I'm agonostic. I do KNOW that I don't know if there is a god or not. | | Reply To this Message
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