Is it socially acceptable to be RACIST?

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You know I have to put RACIST in caps to caputre the reader, right?

Anyway, I have heard someone say they were racist because 'x' people did something to them, so that's why they feel the way they do. Obviously there are minorities that many feel have a right to be somewhat racist because of what happened to their ancestors. Or are we our own people and can't look back on the past? Or can we just not like someone because of their color?

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I said no, I don't feel it's alright to be racist at all. I've never been, never will be.

People are people.

Let me also say I started this topic because of general curiosity and to get some intellectual and stimulating debate. No offense, jerks.

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I voted no. We should never judge a group of people by the color of their skin, or gender .........

Young Singers Spread Racist Hate

Duo Considered the Olsen Twins of the White Nationalist Movement

Oct. 20, 2005 — - Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you of another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.

Known as "Prussian Blue" -- a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes -- the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white ... we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs -- specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."


Teaching Hate
Songs like "Sacrifice" -- a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer -- clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund -- though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.

On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.

"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."

Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke -- the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist -- uses the twins to draw a crowd.

Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.

But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.

"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."


A Taste for Hate
Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.

One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."

"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.

"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."


A Place to Call Home
Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.

Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina -- the white ones.

The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs -- some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.

After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.

Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.

But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.

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The new look of racism.

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Little kids are jumping on the racist tip, what's next?

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What a load of crap they have taught their kids! Dang, it amazes me that people think the Nazi's were great people. That in itself is majorly screwed up. Now they are putting out albums by two pretty blonde girls claiming that they just feel white pride. Since when does pride mean hating other races. It is messed up.

And just think how other kids will think that line of thinking is socially acceptable, you know? Bad news.

But- are they breaking the 1st Amendment?

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most likely not. The 1st gives you the right to be an idiot too. These people are hate mongers, but I doubt courts would stop what they are doing.

But the impact could be huge on the kids.

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It most likely will be. Sadly, parents do not pay attention to what their kids listen to or watch. They will see two cute wholesome looking kids on an album cover and buy it. I think it is horrilbe that they can market this type of hate speech and skewered history to children.

Giving racists a mainstream voice can't end well.

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I voted no. Racism is a sign of ignorance.

Unfortunately, I find even those who preach about racism, and against it, to be quite racist themselves. It's really sad.

I've met some functioning racists before, it's weird. They spit out every racial remark but have some friends of color that they deem 'cool'. It's just ignorance, fear and all that. Sad, really.

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I voted no also. It is unacceptable as a human being.
These two girls will either never leave their county and live a sheltered life or they will venture out and be scorned and critisized themselves for ever. Kind of like the Dixie Chix today. ha!

Hatred can be confused with racism. I hate islam and would gladly give my life to see it's vile teachings abolished world wide. islam is not a race and has no real face or color. it is a cult of intolerant teachings and hatred for non-believers.

What a load of crap!

Yeah, I think that's pretty much racism, USA1. A race can also be considered "a group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution."

Do you hate those who are members of the Nation of Islam more if they're black, white or from the Middle East?

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Nope, I'm color blind, not stupid.
I have many friends of all different races. Heck, I am from different races, are you? This has nothing to do with race or color. Why do you have a problem with other races? Are you a racist? To hate a "so called" religion like islam isn't racism in my eyes. It is just as easy for me to place islam along side the kkk, nazis or white supremisists because I hate them equally.
If the Catholics were out cutting off arab's heads, I would hate Catholics. Get it.
The ideoligy of martyrdom and irrational justification of murder is not a "religion of peace" as they call it.
islam in general have a unwillingness to understan the word tolerance or what we understand as human rights.

Have you ever talked to a women who is dressed in a black burka standing the 104 degree Orlando sun in July? Me either, her husband who was walking 20 paces in front of stopped me. She need water but, I guess she didn't deserve it on that particular day.
I could have started an internation "incident" just then but, then I had to just shrug it off to "religion". Whatever floats your boat is pretty much what everyone wants.

I see it but, I don't have to like it.

I wouldn't hate an entire group... but those who are doing those things, and supporting it. Does that make sense?

There are people of different races that I don't like.... but, it's not the race itself.

I put a big fat resounding NO



but the question "Is it OK to be racist?" and "Is it socially acceptable to be racist?" are two different questions.

I think it seems more socially acceptable for black people to be racist than white people.

I agree with you on that one, Dekka.

If a white person even shows an inkling of racism, it's a huge deal.
But, if a black person shows racism, it's justifiable, because they have a right.

I don't agree that it's acceptable. I can't stand racism, and I'm sick and tired of it, in a society that should be more open minded, and tolerant, of life in general.

Profundity!

It is not socially acceptable to be a racist. Even if it is against your own race?
Do you think Harry Belafonte is a racist? Do you remeber what he called Rice and Powell?

Maybe Belefonte isn't really a black man. He does have a sort of Italian sounding name though? Did the Italians have black slaves I wonder? If he is Italian, then I would say he was a racist but, if he's is black, then he's just plain stupid. Go left! You have good thing going in Belefonte, Chavez and Casto in your corner!

I think racism has a lot to do with power, what you have more of are bigots. Bigots come in all shades and hues. It becomes racism when you can put your hatred into play. We can take a boring dictionary definition, but I think racism requires the dynamic of power to affect others, else you're just a bigot.

Is racism socially acceptable, no. As for it being socially acceptable for blacks to be racist, the only blacks that I know are racist are the Black Separatists and the Nation of Islam, other black people that exhibit ignorant attitudes are your regular barnyard bigot.

By the way, unfortunately, USA1, you are a bigot and self-proclaimed racist if you hate Muslims. You sound like a person that hates people for being Jewish. And why don't you leave your political crap out of the thread? Harry Belafonte is not racist against his own race for criticizing Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell, I'm not even going to entertain the conversation...

Racism, bigotry etc it's all wrong regardless. I believe the attitudes and beliefs these fools have shows them to be ignorant in the extreme.

USA1 I know you say you are not a racist bigot etc but you are. Do yourself a favour check out a guy called Nick Griffin ( leader of the BNP) he is looking at some jail time for racists comments. When I read his comments then yours bleieve me you two are in the same track.

I see, so you should love those who hate you? Turn the other cheek and all that. Ok, you turn the other cheek and when the next attack happens, you will run out of cheaks so, bend over. Of course you are in Scottland and who would want to bomb you anyway?
I just hope you are not in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Freedom of speach in America does not equal jail time unless of course you insite violence, which I am not.
I just hate islam for it's lack of outrage against their so called "extremeists/fundamentalist" counter parts. I hate those who divert their eyes from their own so called religion in order to claim religion of peace.
I am willing to bet that there isn't a single mosque that doesn't preach hatred at some time or another.
Open your eyes. It's reality and it's everywhere.

There is a movement. http://www.pauac.com/index.php

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USA1 All this hostility why did I maybe hit a nerve? made you find something inside yourself that you did not like to admit was not there? had to be something.

Fact is that this Nick Griffin guy says the same as you and he is labelled an extremist as well, intresting that he is alo labelled a racist and a bigot. I'm just telling you that he is being branded this by the media, police, politicians, judgesd and even a small number of supporters and he is saying the same as you. You won't believe me so check it out for yourself.

I was going to mention Lockerbie but Nikita did that for me.

BTW for future reference only one T in Scotland you C?

It's only because I could care less about Scottland.

I guess I am an extremeist when it comes to hating islam. I am not alone and the numbers are growing. islam has the power to change their image but, it is a pretty low priority. Lower than say, killing Americans and Jews.

In all seriousness her is your last name Girffin or are just reading from his songbook?

Boy you really like to spin the race card huh? Really, are you Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson?

Never heard of this Griffin person you speak of.
I make my own judgements. It's my soapbox and there is no room for anyone else.

Ok, I just took a peek at the Nick Griffin Bio.
Nick sides with the likes of the KKK, Nazis etc. To the contrary, I hate the KKK, Nazis, Islam and did I mention the biggest racist in the country Jesse Jackson.

If you keep spinning everything into a race issue, you are the racist just like Jesse and Al Sharpton.
As I said, I find islam to be a cult of intolerant people, regardless of race or color.
islam is the enemy of the 21st century. You can pacify it, put lipstick on it all you want but, it is still evil and condones hate, murder and genocide.

The funny thing is, you hate me more than those who want your head separated from your neck.

I know this is hard for you to grasp. I just don't like people who preach that they want me dead. Go figure.

Do you really think the Nation of Islam wants all Americans dead?

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Let's see.
I had nothing to do with the Shah.
I had nothing to do with the Taliban.
I had nothing to do with the Sandanistans.

But they target me and 3000 people on 9/11.

So this is your justification for the murder of innocent people?

You are one sick puppy.

The "nation of Islam" now they're a nation? give me a break!
How can you support a "so called" religion that preaches for the extermination of all Jews or anyone for that matter?

I am sure there are a few infidels who call themselves muslims. Those who are closet or sunday mulsims like Mohammed Ali and Micheal Jackson or Mike Tyson.
They are just brainwashed and not "true" believers. It is the Imams, Clerics and their followers "true muslims". They are the ones I hate. You know the ones who danced in the streets and celebrated after 9/11 and the ones who cut of heads for airtime on al jaserra.

USA1

Where do you get that I love war out of what I say? See, this is the problem with you pacifists, when you don't like what you hear, you make things ups.
Where do you get that I was in NY on 9/11?

Can you just focus for one second and quit playing the liberal?

Heck says they are a Nation!

Gotta go wax my skis now and put them away for the season.

You guys slay me!

Later.

I have no wax. Just got back from 6 days of skiing. 4 days Copper 2 days Snowmass.

I don't live there so, I'm done for the year unless I can swing a work trip and bring my skiis.

Too bad I missed you...too bad that within an hour...oops I am in the best skiing in the world.

I be there Saturday!

Get it.
I wasn't there but my sister lost her whole company of 300 people at Marsh Mclennon (sp) on 9/11.
I do know for fact that they want Americans dead and I live here so that includes me. Therefore, my deduction is that they want ME dead.
They don't name names, nor do they care if you are young, old, man woman or child, democrat or Republican. Just dead.

We had 8" of powder on Wednesday and 11" on Thursday last week. it was awesome and some of the best snow I've skiied there in the last 25 years.
Powder all freakin' day.

Wow, USA1, you are racist as you are ignorant. I'm sorry but there definitely is a correlation between ignorance and the amount of racism and bigotry a person exhibits.

You would learn a lot if you'd just read about the things you hate so much, you'll come off less stupid. You are the reason why I shake my head when I look at some Americans.

You come off like a textbook racist and we can make some obvious inferences from your post:

You're a white male, conservative, votes Republican, and you're a Christian. I could have never seen any of your other posts, read what you posted here and get that automatically. That's not a good thing, but when you have so much racism and idiocy spewing from your post, what can you expect? I'll add another assumption, you probably weren't in or close to New York on 9/11, some of us were.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to be kind to people that want to post like idiots on this board.

Inner City Blue...

I just have to say this about your above post.

Racism and phobias of others, hatred and murder of those different than you are not "Christian."

However, it seems to be the mantra of those hiding behind the mask of the "Christian right." Today's "Christian right" = Christian wrong.

And you're right, it has been established that USA1 was not in New York or DC on 9-11...
but still he claims that he was a target at 9-11, just like the 3000 in NY....and

his sister's company of 300 folks were killed, but his sister was not killed.

Thank you, Dave... I was about to say something!!! We need to not take this thread to a flamers ward level.

Guys, you didn't have to be in NY, to feel that you were under attack. I'm in San Diego, CA.... how fricken OPPOSITE a place in the US, and I felt like -I- was a target too. They attacked AMERICA, not a building. So, I can say that I see where he is coming from.

Yeah but do you hate every person who worsships Islam as a result of 9/11 or doe you aht those that carried out the attacks or the exremists?

What USA1 is saying is that I should hate all catholics as a result of what happend in Ireland but I don't I hate fighters not the relgion as a whole. Or that all Jewish people must hate Austrians as after all it was an Austrian that ordered the holocaust or the people of London must hate the Germans because of the blitz. That thnking however is ignorant, (I know you we should go for mild politness but lets call a spade a spade) you cannot judge the millions by the actions of a few.

Tit for tat! STOP the childish name calling. When you do that (and I'm not just talking to one person) you sound like a little children. ACT LIKE ADULTS, and debate. But, stop the crap.