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Posted by: devildog

John 3:19-21

19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”




Barnes' notes on the renewed covenant

This is the condemnation—This is the cause of condemnation; or this is the reason why men are punished.

That light is come—Light often denotes instruction, teaching, doctrine, as that by which we see clearly the path of duty. all the instruction that God gives us by conscience, reason, or revelation may thus be called light; but this word is used especially to denote the Messiah, who is often spoken of as “the light.” See Isa. 60:1; 9:2. Compare Matt. 4:16; also the notes at John 1:4. It was doubtless this light to which Jesus had particular reference here.

Men loved darkness—Darkness is the emblem of ignorance, iniquity, error, superstition—whatever is opposite to truth and piety. Men are said to love darkness more than they do light when they are better pleased with error than truth, with sin than holiness, with Belial than Christ.

So, with that opening, the children are at it again.

I told you to stop lying about me and I would quietly go away. This was not good enough for you, so you continue to deceive, and then close the thread as to not be caught in your lies. This is twice in a row. You know, the scriptures say that if you have nothing to hide, you will stand in the light. In the shadows, concealing themselves are the ones who are dishonest. Guess which one you are?


Actually, this is about much more than Fuscia coming after you, or whatever you think!!!

Or whatever I think????? Perhaps you may want to ask me. Never tried that did you? Communication is a wonderful tool. If you knew me you would know that personal attacks are something I am accustomed to and bother me not. The "what ever you think" part is kinda crucial lawless . It called telling the truth. Truth is not tolerated here so I wish to dump this place like a bad habit. Opinions are fine in your harry potter threads but this is a liiiiiiittle different.. I don't expect you to understand. As if that wasn't bad enough, as I part, I am learning that you guys are hypocrites and liars as well.



Unfortunately, this isn't a "one person" thing.

Who else gets heat for telling truth and fact?

BTW, Have you guys come up with that lie yet?With that untruthful statement I declared in that Christmas thread? Didn't think so. Feel good about yourselves? Show everyone what started this whole thing. Hell, show me. I'd lke to know what factual statement sent you over the edge.


The entire staff discuss ANY problem that we have on INReview.

Who cares?


Trust me.

No thanks

As an admin of this board, I can tell you that we discuss everything with the rest of the staff, whether they are mods, or sen mods.

As a former mod/mon, I will tell you that I was NEVER asked about, or discussed ANYTHING.

We all talk about "issues" and truly look to see if it's a one sided view, or if there is a problem!

Oh I see. Facts have nothing to do with it. It's how many people take this side against how many on that side. Collective thinking makes it right. If you guys think the world is flat, it shouldn't be questioned. Facts mean nothing. Another brilliant thought process.

So, please... before you think that she doesn't have the "authority" to speak on behalf of the ENTIRE staff, make sure that you know the facts.

Look jackass, I have posted 2800 times- mostly without refute. Do you think I post without thinking and doing my homework? You better read my posts. Just this very day in question, I got an email from a staff member who does not feel the way you and fuscia feel. The other staff member was courteous, kind, inquisitive, and wanted to know what made me come to my conclusions. Crazy. What a concept, huh? If after inspection, they felt I was in error than they would have had ample reason for acting on it. We never had the opertunity to take it that far. This is called looking into the matter and its facts, with an open mind. You may want to learn something from this fellow staffer. They also felt as though we were making great progress( as did I BTW). Therefore, when she(Fuscia) posted " The entire staff sees ......", I was looking at the proof of that lie starring at me in the face. Why don't YOU try to mix in some facts, and stop being a juvenile, snot nosed brat and discuss things instead of closing threads for no reason. You may learn something when you ask me.....too late now however, do not ask me a thing. You no longer merit a response.


Blatant lie on your part. I had contacted you before when your monitor status was removed.

Now, here ya go lawless( Allah's translated name BTW) you have a staff member who is calling me a liar. Problem is, she has no proof and can never acquire it. She is defaming me and what will you do? Nothing, that's what. Because you are equally dishonest. I will post this in a thread (before you close it ) to show everyone. Why? Because I have NOTHING to hide. I can stand under the bright light of inspection. Can the staff? Look at every private message I ever received. You will find Fuscia lying yet again as she NEVER PM'ed me and I was not informed of the "lost monitor status" by ANYONE- let alone Fuscia! Look into it. Here's your homework:
I have had 47 PM's by 13 different members in my stay here. None of which are from Fuscia and none discuss my monitor status. When I logged in after my return recently, it is then, and only then, that I learned of the monitor status-not by note.... Ever, by anyone. The integrity here is no longer.


Other staff discussions about you will not be revealed on the thread. As for me being a liar, you will be hard pressed to find a more honest person online than I am.

What a sad commentary that would be if true for the rest of this board. Well, actually, as arrogant as ever, you go beyond INReview and proclaim to be as honest as anyone online even.

Me being authorized. Go to the Forum Leaders section at the bottom of the main screen. Gee, when you click on it you will discover that I am an administrator here at INReview.


Gee , the president is in charge of the free world but doesn't speak for me. He can not tell you what I think, feel or see. Just as you can't say " The entire staff sees....".
You are wrong as evidenced above , so since you ALWAYS admit when you are......


I do speak for the staff.

Read: I am the mighty one.

Yes the staff, other than myself sees a problem. As one of the big fish, I get the unfortunate job of handling these situations once the staff makes a collective decision.

Only you see yourself as "the big fish" fuscia. You are an unseen voice. Not even an honest one. I see you as a myrmidon


As for me having to be right, that is totally laughable to everyone who knows me. I am a very easy person to get along with, and I am the first one to step up and say I was wrong.

laughable indeed. I hope they read this discussion. You are neither easy to get along with as facts are a hurdle with you, and you have yet to admit the many lies you have thus uttered in this discussion alone. This is lowly behavior by a member and even worse when it's from "the big fish".

Usually I only venture into religion when I hear there is a problem because I find the forum boring

Which would explain why you STARTED this thread in question. Just shut up, would ya

So I come in here when I hear about people being intolerant of others.


All I can do is ask you over and over for proof. And all you can do is accuse without merit. You have given no evidence because you can not provide any. Every thing I said was the truth and that should be the end of this discussion. I am intolerant of lies and deception. If you can prove intolerance of "others" rather than their words, than I will give you cash.


I called you on it.

Did you? You made baseless accusations like an ignorant child. I called YOU on proving your foolish case and you have produced ZILCH. Enlighten us ole master big fish of online chat. What error or lie was told in the Christmas thread that made you throw a fit? Care to produce anything that doesn't make you look foolish?

You chose to do exactly what I predicted you would do. You threw a little hissy fit instead of listening and realizing that you could re-word your posts and still get your message across.

Gestapo anyone? So you should edit my notes, huh? Tell me what to write and how to write it? Sugar coat it for me? Is this what makes a "good thread".... that I ruined?

It is not like you were given any warning points

Of coarse not. For what? Telling the truth? Revealing what everyone knows who has done a cursory study of the topic? Simpleton

, although you could have for some of the things that have gone on.

You have slandered, defamed and lied, all in this very discussion with me and I have proved it. And now you are so audacious you proceed to tell me that it is I, who merits warning points? You continue to take me to new plateaus of amazement.


We made a request.

Let me make one. Shut up.

Kris gave an excellent example of what to do in her last post in the Christmas thread.

If you think you can tell me how to write, you are stoned. I never cursed, I do not attack people individually, and I do nothing but speak truth. If I am wrong, I am joyous to be corrected as I love to learn. And this isn't good enough for you guys. Are you even listening to yourselves? Too late for me, but you may want to learn something from this discussion so you don't force the next one out who was only looking to better the place.

I will step away as I have found a place that is more rewarding, and we do not see eye to eye here. That normally wouldn't be a problem, but it is here. For it is only one side that wishes to speak about things in an adult manner and not close threads. You feel as though my words should be censored and it is only the character and spirit of your niceness level as you speak here that counts. And I feel that your words are what should be "inreview", and it is the truth that sets you free.

Now again..... Stop lying about me and I will quietly go away. Continue to lie, deceive, slander or defame, and I will be forced to respond again.

Thread Closed


If you choose to respond and make accusations further, leave it open if you have nothing to hide.
If they post and I don't respond, they banned me from posting.

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Posted by: nikiTa

devildog

Why did you leave out the verses preceding John 3:19?

“For Elohim so loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life.
“For Elohim did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not judged, but he who does not believe is judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of the only brought-forth Son of Elohim.
John 3:16-18

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Posted by: devildog

Because it is probably the best known verse in the world. The ones I listed seemed more fitting in this case.

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Posted by: nikiTa

And so what if it's the best known verse in the world....there is a reason for that...

truth must have love or it is a clanging cymbal.

Truth without love is meaningless and cannot be heard.

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Posted by: devildog

And love without truth is worthless. I thought we covered "love"

I will miss you, however. You are bright and interesting......and thought provoking. And you know I dig that quality. Because of my respect for you, I have and will continue to consider your words. Thanks again for caring.

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Posted by: nikiTa

Love is truth. There is no greater Truth than love.

There is no such thing as "love without truth."

Love is not an intellectual commodity and cannot be "covered." It's as vast as Yahweh Himself...as He indeed is Love incarnate and He is Spirit. And His Spirit is love.

And what's this about missing me?
You have my email address...I haven't fallen off the face of the earth, ya know.

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Posted by: devildog

Love is truth. There is no greater Truth than love.

There is no such thing as "love without truth."

Love is not an intellectual commodity and cannot be "covered." It's as vast as Yahweh Himself...as He indeed is Love incarnate and He is Spirit. And His Spirit is love.

I agree

And what's this about missing me?
You have my email address...I haven't fallen off the face of the earth, ya know


thank you

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Posted by: nikiTa

Besides devildog...they haven't banned you...yet. Some of the words above, I don't know....

Just reveal that sweet side of you who is Yahushua inside....the warrior inside you must be tempered with His love....

I can only say that because I also am a warrior...maybe that's why I "get" you. And He had to show me His love before I could even understand what Love really is and understand that the warrior inside needed healing, peace, joy, and most of all...LOVE.

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Posted by: devildog

quote:
nikiTa said this in post #8 :
Besides devildog...they haven't banned you...yet. Some of the words above, I don't know....

Those words were forced

Just reveal that sweet side of you



I guess we differ here. I feel that revealing the truth regardless of treatment received for doing it, IS love. I covered how I feel about this act earlier. I pray you understand my intent fully one day. I also did nothing that should require me to extend an olive branch. And finally, the credibility, and integrity here has been shot and I have no desire to stay further.

Don't you have a job?

Going to Busch Gardens. Peace to you sister



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Posted by: nikiTa

Alrighty then, devildog, if you don't wanna reveal that sweet side of you, Yahushua who lives inside and gave your dead spirit LIFE...that's your deal....

Job? We're slow...and for you and everyone else in the world...that's a good thing.

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Posted by: Lawless

Calling me a jackass is MIGHTY "Godly" of you!!!! Wow, I'm so f'n impressed with you, that I want to bow down at your feet and worship you!!!

Now, go read some scripture, and continue on your merry way.... because you are the one making a jackass out of yourself.

Preach to someone who might listen to you... because all I hear is a bunch of static.

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Posted by: Lawless

And btw, I haven't closed a thread of yours! So, before you point a finger at someone... learn a fact, or maybe two!

Your monitor status was "Removed" because you left INReview, and didn't do your "job" Therefore, the admins dropped you... like other staff who didn't show up.

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Posted by: devildog

Alrighty then, devildog, if you don't wanna reveal that sweet side of you, Yahushua who lives inside and gave your dead spirit LIFE...that's your deal ....


I hope you are not saying that by proclaiming truth and not tolerating religious deception is somehow something Yahshua wouldn't do. Because He would be intolerant of them with much more ferver than I could ever muster up. He hates lies about the Father and so should you. Do you think for a second that Yahshua wouldn't post the words I posted about Christmas? You think He would be careful not to hurt your feelings?


The ultimate act of love, for the last time, is crushing religious deception so we will be free to make an informed choice to spend eternity with Yahweh. I am baffled at how this is misunderstood. To think it is compassionate to willfully watch someone wallow in ignorance when ones salvation is possibly at stake is stunning. To feel it an act of love to push aside fact and truth in order to stroke an ego is something I can't grip. Is is loving to not hurt the popes feelings?

I am certain Nakita that Yahshua would rebuke every single word here that was derogatory to His position, honor, reputation, and name. To say that spirit doesn't exist in me while I do the same is without merit.


post #11 quote:

Calling me a jackass is MIGHTY "Godly" of you!!!! Wow, I'm so f'n impressed with you, that I want to bow down at your feet and worship you!!!

Yahweh called men ignorant and asses when they merited it.
Now, go read some scripture, and continue on your merry way.... because you are the one making a jackass out of yourself.

Stop giving me reason to respond


And btw, I haven't closed a thread of yours! So, before you point a finger at someone... learn a fact, or maybe two!


With alarming consistancy, you type without thinking. Let's see what was written:

"So, with that opening, the children are at it again.

I told you to stop lying about me and I would quietly go away. This was not good enough for you, so you continue to deceive, and then close the thread as to not be caught in your lies."

I knew it was either you or Fuscia so the term "children" would incompass you both.


Your monitor status was "Removed" because you left INReview, and didn't do your "job" Therefore, the admins dropped you... like other staff who didn't show up.

So what? I left because the pride of a staff member couldn't bear the thought of being wrong. Exactly like this situation. But that isn't the point. The point is quite simple. I had no idea about that removed status because I wasn't informed. I found out on my own. In addition to claiming to inform me of this status by PM, Fuscia also followed up my statement of

" Never had a private message from staff until today(pleasant BTW), so this is yet another lie. "

with

"Blatant lie on your part. I had contacted you before when your monitor status was removed."




So there you have it. Trying to be gone.

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Posted by: hatchjaw

quote:
nikiTa said this in post #4 :
Truth without love is meaningless and cannot be heard.


This is such a good point it deserves to be said again. Devildog, I think you confuse rude and inconsiderate behavior with speaking the truth without watering down your words. You could make your case very well without calling anyone a liar or a hypocrite and so on. You could make it much better, in fact. Right now, your insulting and self-righteous manner obscures your message and, as nikiTa said, you cannot be heard.

I agree with a point you made in another thread, though. You've acted this way before, in threads debating Muslims. Atheists too, I might add. In a much harsher way, too. And it never seemed to be much of a problem then. So why now? I'm just wondering, though. Not calling anyone a hypocrite.

Anyway, let's all calm down, why don't we?
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Posted by: Lawless

Dude, you know where the door is... if you want to leave, leave. Don't make more and more drama. Unless, of course, you feel compelled to continue to just argue and be an ass.

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Posted by: nikiTa

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I hope you are not saying that by proclaiming truth and not tolerating religious deception is somehow something Yahshua wouldn't do. Because He would be intolerant of them with much more ferver than I could ever muster up. He hates lies about the Father and so should you. Do you think for a second that Yahshua wouldn't post the words I posted about Christmas? You think He would be careful not to hurt your feelings?


Yahushua was so great because He spoke to people on their level. Remember the woman at the well? His words convicted her without Him even having to raise His voice at her or even to feel bad about herself.

Now, He did show righteous anger when addressing the Pharisees...because they were pretending to know Truth when they didn't act on Truth AND they were leading the masses away from Yahweh.

And you have to remember, devildog, WE are not Yahweh, We are not Perfect and able to save the entire world with our death and resurrection.
What gives us the right to throw stones at anyone else? We all have weaknesses, we all have idols in our lives that need to be put before His feet....

It's not my job to convict people of sin...that's the job of the Holy Spirit...

And running around yelling with steam out of my ears won't change a thing....in fact it would cause more harm both to myself and others...and more importantly, would be a reproach to Yahushua.

quote:
The ultimate act of love, for the last time, is crushing religious deception so we will be free to make an informed choice to spend eternity with Yahweh.


That is not your job. That is not my job. That is solely the job of Yahweh. Period.
Again, the Holy Spirit changes hearts, the Holy Spirit changes minds, the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin. Not you. Not me. Not anyone else on this earth. Period.

BTW, this whole "wrong and right thing?" Not our job either...the Holy Spirit does a wonderful job all by Himself.
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Posted by: Lawless

Thank you, nikiTa... wonderfully put. It's NOT anyone's job to point a pious finger, and tell others right and wrong. When tossing stones, you have to know that they are going to be thrown back at you. So, instead of trying to shove crap down peoples throats, telling them how wrong they are, try just being a normal person, living by example (if you feel that you need to spread a message), and doing unto others as you would want done to you. If you throw a handful of poop at someone, they are going to retaliate. No one wants someone else's crap, or stink.

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Posted by: kevdaddy

Proverbs 25:15

By patience a commander is induced, and a mild tongue itself can break a bone.

Proverbs 15:1

An answer, when mild, turns away rage, but a word causing pain makes anger to come up

1 Peter 3:15

_But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.


Titus 3:2
to speak injuriously of no one, not to be belligerent, to be reasonable, exhibiting all mildness toward all men.


2 Timothy 2:25

instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed; as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of truth,

1 Timothy 6:11

However, you, O man of God, flee from these things. But pursue righteousness, godly devotion, faith, love, endurance, mildness of temper.

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Posted by: fuscia

For the record, monitors do not have the same privileges as staff/mods. They are NEVER consulted about staff decisions. Moderators, senior moderators and administrators discuss what happens on the board.

Call me a liar all you want. You just prove that you are an angry little man. The people here know what type of person I am.

Thank you to Kevdaddy, hatchjaw and niKita for just bringing some sanity back to the forum.

P.S. Why now? Sometimes things just build up. You can talk to someone so many times, give them warnings in threads over and over, and you hit a point where you must draw the line. I am not known for being hard on the members, but I will be when they do not listen when we repeatedly ask for them to follow the rules. Also, we don't read every post. If there is a problem, please bring it to us.

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

I, for one, have learned much from devildog's posts. That is not to say that I have always agreed with him, but still, (at times) without his own words, the scripture, evidence and research devildog presents is thought provoking, and with a little independent research, it is quite surprising to discover that devildog does present the facts. We are not born perfect, nor are we all born with the gift of a golden tongue and ability to spin words in a manner that is pleasing to everyone. We are all works in progress, and your (the staff's) judgment upon him now, is no less or greater than his judgment is upon you. So, I ask that everyone please stop throwing those stones that we all self-righteously like to bring up when we feel like we have been wronged by others.

I'm wrong, you're wrong, they're wrong - we are all wrong. In fact, it is very rare in life that you will ever encounter anyone who is right 100 % of the time for their words and actions.

I'm a hypocrite, you're a hypocrite, they're a hypocrite - We are all hypocrites, and we are all guilty, at times, of blindly engaging in the same behaviour that we condemn others for.

Devildog:

As said earlier, take care of yourself. Your words (most of them ) have not fallen on deaf ears.

Your only true AUTHORITY sees all, and He knows the sincerity of your intentions.

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Posted by: devildog

And I had a long reply to everyone who posted here .
It was mostly about the statement
" You can talk to someone so many times, give them warnings in threads over and over, and you hit a point where you must draw the line."

This grotesque lie disgusts me. I could ask a fifth time for proof but I know it doesn't exist. I could even post every corespondance that I have ever had here to prove Fuscia NEVER pm'ed me. Your note however, made me realize that it wouldn't be necessary. Your story which was very kind to post, is all I could ever ask for. I , being someone who deems mankind unworthy of trust, would like nothing better than for an individual to be provoked to do their own research and find out the truth for themselves.

Although I knew, thank you so much for proving that I was not a clanging cymbal. Some still enjoy the truth over watered down, whitewash deception. And BTW, um yes, we are, called to become upright, separated unto God. We are His ekklesia. We are called OUT-not in. We are to be set apart(qodash).

We are called to expose lies, to condemn them and be completely intolerant of them. And we are called to witness to the truth. I could exceed the word counter here proving this but I don't see a point as I am speaking a different language.

Ps 82
And let them know that You,
Whose Name is Yahweh, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Thanks again Flutter for having the courage to speak your mind and the truth. Your closing line is so right, I would like to use it.

My only true AUTHORITY sees all, and He knows the sincerity of my intentions.

May the truth set you free

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Posted by: nikiTa

devildog:

quote:
Far too many Christians are sitting in the grandstands--praying and loving. And that's why Yahweh seldom chose the most prayerful and loving people to work his will. He chose passionate rascals who were ready to follow his calling, who were excited to learn, and who were willing to trust him in the midst of the battle.


Strange, my scriptures say:

And יהושע answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Yisra’ĕl, יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one.
‘And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first command.
“And the second, like it, is this, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no other command greater than these.”
Mark 12:29-31

“But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and persecuting you, Matthew 5:44

1Sa 17:47 and all this assembly know that יהוה does not save with sword and spear, for the battle belongs to יהוה, and He shall give you into our hands.”

Eph 6:12 Because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against authorities, against the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual matters of wickedness in the heavenlies....
Eph 6:18 praying at all times, with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, watching in all perseverance and supplication for all the set-apart ones;

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Posted by: nikiTa

And this is unforgettable in relation to how Yahuahua sees those who pray and love at the Master's feet and those who "serve" in whatever capicity:

And it came to be as they went that He entered into a certain village. And a certain woman named Martha received Him into her house.
And she had a sister called Miryam, who also sat at the feet of יהושע and heard His word.
But Martha was distracted with much serving, and coming up she said, “Master, are You not concerned that my sister has left me to serve alone? Speak to her then, to help me.”
And יהושע answering, said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many matters,
but one only is necessary, and Miryam has chosen the good portion, which shall not be taken away from her.”
Luke 10: 38-42

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Posted by: devildog

Strange, my scriptures say:

And éäåùò answered him, “The first of all the commands is, ‘Hear, O Yisra’ĕl, éäåä our Elohim, éäåä is one.
‘And you shall love éäåä your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first command.

That’s right. And He says if you love me, you will obey my commandments. And His commandments say to crush religious deception and evil beguiling deception when it is associated with Him. Why are you fighting this?

“And the second, like it, is this, ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no other command greater than these.” Mark 12:29-31

If my neighbour is a Muslim, the most loving thing I could do for them is free them from religious deception and point them toward the open arms of Yahweh. You clearly disagree, as I have pointed to my stance no fewer than three times, so lets leave it at that.


“But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and persecuting you, Matthew 5:44

The word to pay attention to is YOU. I don’t mind people throwing insults at me. I have stated over and over that it doesn’t bother me. It does bother me, however, when Yahweh is the subject being spoken about. Huge difference. I will love, bless, and pray for the ones insulting, and cursing ME. Show me the one saying to tolerate religious deception or lies about Yahweh.

And this is unforgettable in relation to how Yahuahua sees those who pray and love at the Master's feet and those who "serve" in whatever capicity:

And it came to be as they went that He entered into a certain village. And a certain woman named Martha received Him into her house.
And she had a sister called Miryam, who also sat at the feet of éäåùò and heard His word.
But Martha was distracted with much serving, and coming up she said, “Master, are You not concerned that my sister has left me to serve alone? Speak to her then, to help me.”
And éäåùò answering, said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many matters,
but one only is necessary, and Miryam has chosen the good portion, which shall not be taken away from her.” Luke 10: 38-42

This passage says it is more important to listen, learn and pay attention to the word and lessons of His word, than worldly matters. Furthermore, there was no praying here. Sitting at the feet was the ancient posture of disciples or learners. They sat at the “feet” of their teachers—that is, beneath them, in a humble place. Hence, Paul is represented as having been brought up at the “feet” of Gamaliel, When it is said that Mary sat at the feet of Yahshua, it means that she was “a learner” of his; that she listened attentively to his instructions, and was anxious to learn his doctrine.

If you wish to continue this discussion, please e-mail me. I am done here.

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Posted by: Lawless

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devildog said this in post #24 :
If you wish to continue this discussion, please e-mail me. I am done here.


We've heard this, from SO MANY people online.. yet, they all come back, invisible (YES, we can see you online, at all times, and where you are, and what you're doing), and read threads, time and time again, and then, sometimes, post a reply. So, I guess that we will believe it when we don't see it.

You can continue to call us liars.. that's fine!! If you so choose. But, we know the truth. We do have proof.... but, like Sean Kelly stated to you, almost a year ago, if you want the proof... go and find it yourself. We're not going to sit here and argue and dig up everything to make a point. We're tired of it.

If you want to leave, please do so... we won't force you, unless we're left with no option. Many people have enjoyed your comments, and many have not. That's how life goes.
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Posted by: nikiTa

Go to a church/assembly devildog...as the scriptures talk about those who forsake assembling together....

How does that feel?

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Posted by: nikiTa

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That’s right. And He says if you love me, you will obey my commandments. And His commandments say to crush religious deception and evil beguiling deception when it is associated with Him. Why are you fighting this?


Because that is not in the Scriptures devildog....

When I read the Scriptures I take it personally.
I don't think, "Oh well, I know Bobby Jo is doing such and such..."

I look at my own life and ask Him to reveal: "What idols do I have in my life? And then when He does...I ask Him to remove their hold on me and help me to forsake those idols. I don't go around pointing them out to others because quite frankly I understand we are all at different points in our lives....and an idol for me may not be an idol for someone else.

And again, it's NOT MY JOB to point those things out!!!!
I am not God and I do not pretend to be....that would be blasphemy!!!!
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Posted by: nikiTa

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If my neighbour is a Muslim, the most loving thing I could do for them is free them from religious deception and point them toward the open arms of Yahweh. You clearly disagree, as I have pointed to my stance no fewer than three times, so lets leave it at that.


So, now you have the power of the only liberator? The Holy Spirit?
Who do you think you are anyway?

Blasphemy!
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Posted by: nikiTa

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The word to pay attention to is YOU. I don’t mind people throwing insults at me. I have stated over and over that it doesn’t bother me. It does bother me, however, when Yahweh is the subject being spoken about. Huge difference. I will love, bless, and pray for the ones insulting, and cursing ME. Show me the one saying to tolerate religious deception or lies about Yahweh.


Strange isn't it how many have indicated they didn't find your comments "freeing" just rude.

And when you come across like you've got the truth with a punch in the eye feeling...somehow that doesn't come across very kind and loving....
and then people start to think that is how Yahweh is...hateful and wrathful when that couldn't be further from the Truth.

As for tolerating lies and deception about Yahweh....
Look, His Truth and Love stand on their own...
What are you on a one man crusade to abolish lies and deception?
Do you have that much time on your hands? Do you even have that power?
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Posted by: kevdaddy

This reminds of my mother-in-law, she always has to have the last word. If everyone stops posting Devildog will also.


Ephesians 4:31-32

31_Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from YOU along with all badness. 32_But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave YOU.

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Posted by: nikiTa

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This passage says it is more important to listen, learn and pay attention to the word and lessons of His word, than worldly matters. Furthermore, there was no praying here. Sitting at the feet was the ancient posture of disciples or learners. They sat at the “feet” of their teachers—that is, beneath them, in a humble place. Hence, Paul is represented as having been brought up at the “feet” of Gamaliel, When it is said that Mary sat at the feet of Yahshua, it means that she was “a learner” of his; that she listened attentively to his instructions, and was anxious to learn his doctrine.


I have had dozens and dozens of "teachers" in my day....I want a Master who loves me and teaches me the ways of loving myself, others, and loving Him above all...

If I wanted a "guru" I would move to Tibet.
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
kevdaddy said this in post #30 :
This reminds of my mother-in-law, she always has to have the last word. If everyone stops posting Devildog will also.


Ephesians 4:31-32

31_Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from YOU along with all badness. 32_But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave YOU.


Are you saying you want devildog to stop posting?
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Posted by: kevdaddy

Yes

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Posted by: devildog


Just couldn't leave it alone could ya, staff? I said my goodbyes and you couldn't resist.


We've heard this, from SO MANY people online.. yet, they all come back, invisible (YES, we can see you online, at all times, and where you are, and what you're doing), and read threads, time and time again, and then, sometimes, post a reply. So, I guess that we will believe it when we don't see it.



Of coarse I have to come back every once in a while. How else would I see the lies you post about me? This is the only time I will reply. I said nothing to the contrary. Are you suggesting I have? Good.


You can continue to call us liars.. that's fine!


That continues because the lies continue….and that’s not fine.



If you so choose. But, we know the truth. We do have proof.... but, like Sean Kelly stated to you, almost a year ago, if you want the proof... go and find it yourself.


You know nothing of the Sean Kelly incident yet you bring it up as if it is derogatory toward me. THIS is why I had to respond. I beg all readers of this to find that thread and read what a fool Sean Kelly made of himself. As members letters to me state, he acted like an idiot when I crushed his pre conceived notion. In a similar child-like manner not unlike the one displayed currently, he was ignorant of a topic and I present the facts to him. Prideful, and arrogant, he couldn’t accept being wrong and blew up. He acted just as you and Fuscia did when you got your precious feelings hurt. Shall we dig up the discussion Sean and I had about Palestine and how stupid he appeared, and acted? Shall we go over the facts and see who was correct? Or would you like to shut up? He told me- speaking of proof- “ to go find it myself” for the same reason you say it. It’s because there is none, simpleton. Sure, send me on a hunt for proof of something I already know doesn’t exist.

We're not going to sit here and argue

Because you have no argument. Baseless accusations. Hollow to the core. Yours is based on lies and mine on truth. Guess which one prevails?

and dig up everything to make a point.


There is nothing for you to dig up. This is the point. You act as if you have something damning on me when we both know it isn’t true. This is the very definition of deceit. What baffles me is why you continue.

We're tired of it.

You should be tired of looking like something less than honorable.

If you want to leave, please do so... we won't force you, unless we're left with no option. Many people have enjoyed your comments, and many have not. That's how life goes

I am begging you to leave me alone. Can you not say good bye, good riddance, F off or anything else with out deceit coming from your hole? Less is more Lawless, trust me.
And NOW since YOU antagonized me further instead of leaving me alone:
I would like to know who is the communist that erased my posts in the Christmas thread? Someone went back to a place where their opinion and voice was the one left resonating in the air, and erased all my responses to their unfounded claims. Let me tell everyone here, right now, who gets a chance to read this before they censor my words here as well….I have been to many Islamic forums where I promised myself that I would ONLY post THEIR(Islamic) OWN scriptures to them. I was banned from all of them…. and my posts, regardless of the accuracy and reliability of the words, were erased. FusciaUAKBAR!!!

So now we have a liar, hypocrite and communist pig. Is there a nicer way you’d like me to say it? Shall we continue or will you leave it alone? That is the question. Perhaps you will provoke me long enough as to give you hypocrites justification for banning me.

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Posted by: devildog

quote:
nikiTa said this in post #32 :


Are you saying you want devildog to stop posting?


I want devildog to stop posting
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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

Devildog,

The road to peace leads away from this place, and by not giving them what they are looking for.

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Posted by: nikiTa

devildog:

quote:

I want devildog to stop posting


Then stop...
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Posted by: nikiTa

Look are we going to devour one another because we all think we're right?

"Everybody sucks here."
"Staff is unruly".
Friends are no longer friends because we all want to be right!
People calling me their mother in law....blah blah blah.

This entire forum should be deleted.

We don't know how to treat one another....we don't know how to love one another....because we are not perfect
we are all a work in progress
we all need Yahushua!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: kevdaddy

5,4,3,2,1 annnndddd DD its your turn

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

I see how it is, Nikita, and only you can stop that abusive cycle for yourself. It is clear that you don't want the friendship of people who aren't interested in hurting and persecuting you. I believe devildog defended your honour when everyone else was questioning it. He was not interested in pleasing man alone.

You are in my prayers.

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Posted by: kevdaddy

Was I being bad when I said "yes"?

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Posted by: Lawless

No, Kev, you weren't! You were being honest.

And so, because of the road this craptacular thread has gone, it's now in the only place on INReview that it deserves to reside in.

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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #40 :
I see how it is, Nikita, and only you can stop that abusive cycle for yourself. It is clear that you don't want the friendship of people who aren't interested in hurting and persecuting you. I believe devildog defended your honour when everyone else was questioning it. He was not interested in pleasing man alone.

You are in my prayers.


Oh, so now I'm bad.

Way to go.

When I am a jerk, I want to know I am a jerk.

I expect friends to tell me that....

I don't want any blind sycophants panting at my every word...

darn it I'm human, so is devildog, so are you!

If you are going to let this drive a wedge between us so be it!
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Posted by: Lawless

quote:
Perhaps you will provoke me long enough as to give you hypocrites justification for banning me.



If this is what you want, just ask, and it will be done! PERIOD!
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
kevdaddy said this in post #41 :
Was I being bad when I said "yes"?


No, you weren't being "bad."

You were being honest.
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Posted by: Lawless

nikiTa, you've done nothing wrong, sweetie... you've tried to help out a situation, in a very well done way. TRUST ME!

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Posted by: nikiTa

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I believe devildog defended your honour when everyone else was questioning it.


He wasn't even posting when that all happened.
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Lawless said this in post #46 :
nikiTa, you've done nothing wrong, sweetie... you've tried to help out a situation, in a very well done way. TRUST ME!


Thanks!

And I have appreciated you for one reason because you have always told me when I was a jerk....and I really really really appreciate that.

How am I supposed to know I am hurting someone unless they tell me?
In my life that has been the only things I have known and I no longer want to be that way....
and it doesn't help if people just let you be a jerk...especially your friends.

Friends are supposed to let you know such things....

Thanks lawless.
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Posted by: Lawless

You're welcome, nikiTa...

Trust me.... we have always been able to talk, about "things," and go forward from there. You're NOT acting like a jerk, at all. You're being very mature in this matter. And, those who say certain things should remember that they are the ones who were "Complaining" about you in the first place. That's what pisses me off. So, take the higher road, as you are.

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Posted by: kevdaddy

Be "Excellent" to each other.==Bill and Ted

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

A complaint that stemmed from a lie from another person. And don't worry, Nikita and I know more about that situation than you do, so your attempt to shine a bad light on me is not going to work, nor will you get from me what you are hoping for.

Take care, Lawless. You are a lovely woman whom I don't wish to become combative with.

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Posted by: nikiTa

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so your attempt to shine a bad light on me is not going to work, nor will you get from me what you are hoping for.


You really don't know me do you?
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Posted by: nikiTa

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And, those who say certain things should remember that they are the ones who were "Complaining" about you in the first place.


This says it all flutterbywingz, and I didn't have to say anything at all.
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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
Lawless said this in post #49 :
And, those who say certain things should remember that they are the ones who were "Complaining" about you in the first place. That's what pisses me off. So, take the higher road, as you are.


I wasn't talking to you, Nikita.
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #54 :


I wasn't talking to you, Nikita.



I know. Lawless was talking to me in post #49.
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Posted by: Lawless

I was talking to nikiTa, about things that you weren't even involved in! Yet, it you want to shine light on all your pm's to me, about your "issues" in the past, be my guest. Otherwise, I'm still scratching my head over yet another person who CLAIMED to be leaving INReview, yet, constantly comes back. I had no problem with you, until just now, when you decided to say something to me that had NOTHING to do with you.

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

Let's see - out of the few people posting in this thread, who else has "complained" about Nikita?

I do not stand corrected.

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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #57 :
Let's see - out of the few people posting in this thread, who else has "complained" about Nikita?

I do not stand corrected.


If you are implying that Lawless has complained about me...

Well, there were times where such "complaining" was warranted.
Although I wouldn't call those times "complaining." As I have so noted...they were times I was being a jerk! And as I have so noted, I was appreciative of this "behavior."

Look, I will just say here and now. The many many times I came off like I was so much more holier than anyone with same sex attraction/love issues! What a freaking farce. And that only goes to show you that the ones screaming the most are the ones dealing with themselves in the closet.

And the fact remains, how hypocritical of me to point fingers at anyone else dealing with same sex attraction/love when I spent over 16 years being the biggest and baddest one of them all?
And if anyone had come up to me during that time and said some of the things I said...I would have demolished them!

But no, Kris has enough of Jesus in her heart to have accepted me even with my bad mouth and derogatory comments!
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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
Lawless said this in post #56 :
I was talking to nikiTa, about things that you weren't even involved in! Yet, it you want to shine light on all your pm's to me, about your "issues" in the past, be my guest. Otherwise, I'm still scratching my head over yet another person who CLAIMED to be leaving INReview, yet, constantly comes back. I had no problem with you, until just now, when you decided to say something to me that had NOTHING to do with you.


Dress it up all you want. Good job, by the way.

Oh, I don't know. Do you own the internet? I believe I specified that I did not want to be contacted by anyone (staff or members) when I made the decision to leave. I made my specifications clear in my "options," by turning off private messaging, yet you took it upon yourself to manually change my specified options, so you could let me know that you "caught" me here, as if I owe you an explanation for spending a few internet surfing minutes on your turf.

It was my decision to leave, therefore, it is also my decision if I should choose to browse Inreview at my leisure. How was that bothering you? You do not intimidate me, and I am sorry if that is a struggle for you to accept.

I had an issue over something that I brought to you privately. Something that was an actual issue. Would you have preferred it if I would have started a thread in the flamers ward to bring it to the attention of everyone else? Believe me, you are lucky that I had enough common sense not to do that.

You will not flex your "power" over me again. I play in the big leagues (life) where people actually have authority that your "position" pales in comparison to, so what you do and say here, really doesn't phase me one bit.

How is the power struggle working for you so far? Do you feel fulfilled? If so, then I am happy for you.
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #51 :
Take care, Lawless. You are a lovely woman whom I don't wish to become combative with.


quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #59 :
You will not flex your "power" over me again. I play in the big leagues (life) where people actually have authority that your "position" pales in comparison to, so what you do and say here, really doesn't phase me one bit.

How is the power struggle working for you so far? Do you feel fulfilled? If so, then I am happy for you.


What kind of silly games are you playing!

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: nikiTa

And get on that plane!!!!!!!


Why are you not on that plane???????????????

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
nikiTa said this in post #58 :


If you are implying that Lawless has complained about me...





Come back to the middle, Nikita. When you are ready to see what has gone on here, then, like last time, you will see it.

Until then, you will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #62 :



Come back to the middle, Nikita. When you are ready to see what has gone on here, then, like last time, you will see it.

Until then, you will be in my thoughts and prayers.


All I know is the here and now!

And the stuff from you now is bullcrap!

Get on that plane!
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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

Go back to FOLLOWING Jesus, Nikita, please!

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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
Flutterbywingz said this in post #64 :
Go back to FOLLOWING Jesus, Nikita, please!


STOP IT!!!!

STOP PLAYING SILLY GAMES!

I love myself enough to know to say to you STOP IT!
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Posted by: Lawless

You know, you continue to think what you want! Complaints were made, from more than you, about different situations! Don't believe me? That's not my problem. We have a forum in the staff section FILLED with threads about "issues" and complaints. I know what they say, and what they are regarding. We have copies of pm's sent, and received, about certain things, and everyone has read through them. It's not MY problem if people want to say one thing, and then, pretend they didn't. I'm not worried about that.

As for your "power" comments.... I don't have "power" on here. Or whatever you want to assume. We simply help out, doing a job that we recieve NOTHING for. If you want to complain, gripe, b!tch, call names, be deceitful, etc.... go right ahead. You ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL have that power, capability, etc... to do just that. But, next time someone wants to complain about something... don't think that it's just going to be swept under the rug. We keep records of all that, for times like this. You aren't the first to do such things, here.... and you certainly won't be the last.

If you want to keep coming back here... I could care less. It's just a laughing matter to us all when people raise a stink about how they are moving on, but just keep coming back, time and time again. If you want to keep coming back, don't say that you're leaving. Say that you just won't be around much, or participating like you always did!!!

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

No, I don't believe you. But, I am sure you have done a great job of making sure that others do believe you.

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Posted by: nikiTa

I'd say the topic of this thread is more than perfect for the last few pages here...
All is not lost....

“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
John 3:19-21

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Posted by: Lawless

Well, (name removed)... that would be your choice!

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
Lawless said this in post #66 :
You know, you continue to think what you want! Complaints were made, from more than you, about different situations! Don't believe me? That's not my problem. We have a forum in the staff section FILLED with threads about "issues" and complaints. I know what they say, and what they are regarding. We have copies of pm's sent, and received, about certain things, and everyone has read through them. It's not MY problem if people want to say one thing, and then, pretend they didn't. I'm not worried about that.

As for your "power" comments.... I don't have "power" on here. Or whatever you want to assume. We simply help out, doing a job that we recieve NOTHING for. If you want to complain, gripe, b!tch, call names, be deceitful, etc.... go right ahead. You ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL have that power, capability, etc... to do just that. But, next time someone wants to complain about something... don't think that it's just going to be swept under the rug. We keep records of all that, for times like this. You aren't the first to do such things, here.... and you certainly won't be the last.

If you want to keep coming back here... I could care less. It's just a laughing matter to us all when people raise a stink about how they are moving on, but just keep coming back, time and time again. If you want to keep coming back, don't say that you're leaving. Say that you just won't be around much, or participating like you always did!!!


What am I not the first to do? If you knew it all, then you would not be assuming anything about who has admitted what to whom, and what has been discussed and resolved, yes, that's right, without the knowledge of the staff.

You keep saying that you receive nothing for your "job". Then what, exactly, is your position - are you a staff member for status only, and what does your job description entail? If you are not up to the challenge that it would appear a "job" like this would present, what is the point if you are going to b!tch and complain about what your responsibilities are?

I do not have to mould my words to fit your specifications. If I say I am leaving today, but come back two weeks from now, what business is it of yours if I thought I believed what I meant in the heat of the moment two weeks earlier? You are not law, and I am not bound to abide by my decision or indecision to satisfy you.

Why is "invisibility" an option, if you are going to intimidate others by telling them that you can see their every move, even when they are invisible? If you don't like it, change the option.

When I said that I didn't believe you, it was not in reference to what kind of behind the scenes information and "files" you have on people here. What I meant was, judging from the things you have said in this thread, I don't believe a word of what you say at all.

So, now that we've both torn each other apart, let's agree to disagree. I won't be back this week, but I may be next week. Is that enough notice for you?
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Posted by: nikiTa

Da plane boss, da plane....

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Posted by: Lawless

Actually, I'm going to take the higher road and stop this stupid f'n crap with you. You are wasting my time... and I KNOW for a fact that I've not lied, nor did anyone else on the staff. You don't believe me, fuscia, or anyone else... that's not my problem. It's yours!!!

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Posted by: Whidden

Oh Man!

http://www.inreview.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=627841

Check my sweet ride that my dad sent me. It's a 1938 chevy panel wagon, painted in baby blue.


I love those old trucks.


and of course, my DVD of the good the bad and the ugly, and behind that my train that April keeps knocking over.


I keep putting that sucker back on the track, and that cat keeps laying up there and knocking it back down again.


But I am going off topic. So back to the truck.


It's a performance pioneer number 5 of the series, made my the Eastwood company, which is an automotive restoration tools and techniques corp.


I'm not real happy about the Mickey Thompson crap all over the paint job, but it's still SWEET.


Plans for the future: I'm going to let it stay up there, by the Clint DVD and the railroad so I can look at it, till I get tired of it, then I may construct a birdhouse with a porch, and put in on that.


The porch will keep the rain off of it, and keep it from rusting to much.


I would like to own one in real life, that would be cool. But those things are very expensive, even in bad condition.

Plus I still got my old suburban, and it needs my time and energy.



---Whizzle, owner of cool 38 panel truck, so BOO YAH!!!

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Posted by: fuscia

For the record, I have not erase anyones posts on this board other than duplicate posts or <REMOVED> cuss words. Crazy that someone would think that I would censor their ideas by deleting a post.

For others who are too ignorant or shall we can clueless to figure it out, the pm you receive when you are given warning points, is automated. We do not write it. It is a form letter.

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