Should Christmas be a National Holiday ? |
| Posted by: fuscia | | I agree. I can't believe that there are people out there who want to take Christmas away. Shame on them.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Hang on a second are you saying that in the US Christmas is not a ntional holiday or that they are trying to remove Christmas as a national holiday? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | No.
Jesus\Yahshua's birthday needs to be celebrated on Sukkot--the Feast of Tabernacles when he was actually born.
I am not interested in a paganized unholiday celebrating materialism, revelry, and drunkeness.
If the atheists and others don't want to celebrate it as Messiah's birth...then they shouldn't have the day off anyway. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | I just like the fact that we have paid days off! To me, because I'm not religious, celebrating xmas is about getting together with loved ones, and exchanging gifts. Don't get me wrong.. I think that it's become a very hard holiday... because people get TOOOOO caught up in the gift giving thing, and go BROKE. But, it's a time that I do enjoy... and month of decorations around the house, special music, and good deals in the stores.
But, I'm going off of track. Should it be a National Holiday? Yes... though not for religious reasons, because not everyone believes in Jesus. There are other religions out there that dont, or people who don't follow religion at all. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I am a very generous person and don't need a special "holiday" to shower my friends, loved ones and associates with gifts, love and hugs. I do it all throughout the year...please don't PM me with requests folks...
Remember, a gift isn't a gift if you have to ask for it.
So, just know I love you all no matter what day it is...even the folks that piss me off on a constant basis (few these days), I love you t00 and send a  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | I don't keep it, but 90 percent of the population does keep it.
I'm for making things easy on the majority. It should be a national holiday, just for the simple fact that almost everyone wants to keep it, and needs to keep it on that day.
As a child, I had to leave the room, when it came time to do Halloween and Christmas decorations, the teacher came over and I went to another class and sat in,
it made me feel like a dork, it's true, the kids were cruel, but that's how it should be.
Why should 99% of those kids miss out on doing Christmas decorations, because I was in the class? Now that would have been being a dork for real.
They really would have hated me then.
It's way better, them thinking you strange, that a pure out jerk.
The majority should get their way, and their holidays.
Those of us in the minority should let the majority have their way.
This P.C. political correctness stuff is WAY outta control. Just crazy.
If you want my opinion on Christmas, I would join in with nikiTa that's it's wrong and stuff, but once you say your opinion, the majority should be able to do what it wants.
I was taught as a youth, if someone says Merry Christmas, you tell them it's pagan, and it's wrong, and you hate Christmas.
That just wasn't me. I always just said "Thanks". | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Whidden,
I forgot we live in a democracy... what the majority wants the majority gets...screw the minority, but I don't care, the government is not my Master. 
And actually, the minority is getting what they want over the majority these days, but again, I don't care....far from the madding crowd. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | Truth is even if you are not religious it is a good time to let your hair down. At this time of year it's cold, it's dark just generally miserable and people have been working hard since the summer nad this gives you chace to ket your hair down have a good time and exchange gifts. This is one of the reasons why that Pagans had the celebrations in December to lighten people up. Actually the Pagan also gave gifts to each other I always thought the gifts represented the gifts the 3 wise men gave.
But should it be a holiday yes people work hard lets give them a day off. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | The gifts of the Chaldeans weren't actually given to Jesus/Yahshua until he was a small child.
The idea of the 3 wise men bringing gifts is not based on Scripture.
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| But should it be a holiday yes people work hard lets give them a day off. |
I thought that was what weekends were for...  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: flying panda | | i think it is here in England. With the majority of britons being christian and the queen being the head of the church of england. i might be wrong but the majority of americans are jewish and because christmas is about the birth of christ, and jews dont beleive that Jeasus is there saviour it isnt a national holiday already, but then again i may be wrong | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: flying panda | | i can not believe this but the british government has changed the name of christmas lights, they are now festive lights or holiday lights, as they think that muslims might get offended ... seriously, its polical correctness gone totally over-board | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | No, American does have a very big Jewish population, which is cool, it's make us better as a nation,
but they are still a small minority.
Most Americans are European whites, and over 90 percent of the nation keeps Christmas.
Blacks are our second biggest group, with hispanics a close third. Everyone says the hispanics will be the majority in the coming century. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: lodgebo | |
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nikiTa said this in post #12 :
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I thought that was what weekends were for... [/B] |
Well some people work weekends and it is not every weekend that you get to see all of your family, christmas is the only time I get to see some of my cousins because they live to far away to vist regular.
And unlike weekends I think that Christmas is that one time of year where the majority feel that little bit better about themselves and maybe take an intrest in those less fortuanate at this time of year ( well that is my experience of people I know) and if that is what happens then it's no bad thing in my book.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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| Everyone says the hispanics will be the majority in the coming century. |
True, especially with Presidents like Bush who don't believe in legal immigration but instead pander to wealthy people who need slave labor and thereby support breaking the laws. 
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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lodgebo said this in post #16 :
Well some people work weekends and it is not every weekend that you get to see all of your family, christmas is the only time I get to see some of my cousins because they live to far away to vist regular.
Isn't that what vacations are for? 
And unlike weekends I think that Christmas is that one time of year where the majority feel that little bit better about themselves and maybe take an intrest in those less fortuanate at this time of year ( well that is my experience of people I know) and if that is what happens then it's no bad thing in my book.
That may be true from your experience, statistics show that suicide is highest during that time than any other time in the year. Many don't have a place to go, no families, or they are in a dysfunctional family and the holidays mean crap to them. I fit in one of those categories and so it's not a stretch for me not to like this time of year. I plan on working all the "holidays" that I would have had off. I'd rather spend time doing something productive. But that's just the workaholic in me. 
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| Posted by: Lawless | |
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nikiTa said this in post #9 :
I forgot we live in a democracy... what the majority wants the majority gets...screw the minority, but I don't care, the government is not my Master. 
And actually, the minority is getting what they want over the majority these days, but again, I don't care....far from the madding crowd. |
Oh, you aren't the only one who lives in that world, nikiTa.... trust me, we live in a world where religion and gov't are NOT seperated, and we are told HOW we will live. So, one day of people getting to celebrate something vs living your entire life being told that you can't do something because it goes against others feelings/religious beliefs etc.... I wouldn't complain. At least if you don't want to celebrate a "holiday" it's just something that you can CHOOSE not to do. Try being told, every single day (even if it's not verbally spoken each day) that you can't live your own life according to your beliefs, because the MAJORITY think differently.
Sorry.... wasn't opening this up as a debate. Just saying how I feel.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Lawless,
Sorry to hear that and also good to hear that I am not the only one who thinks that government should butt the hell out of my beliefs! Even though we may be on different sides of the fence on some of the issues.
I don't know why people, especially politicians and their lobbyists, forget the very reason why the British came to America in the first place....cuz nasty King what'hisname thought he could just up and declare himself the "head of the church" and MAKE them worship in the way he saw fit. If you didn't, off to a cold dark filthy prison you went. And it sounds like from what Flying Panda says, they're still spouting that baloney that Queen what'shername is the "head of the church."
There is only ONE right that I really care about....the rest, well, they're just added fluff.
So, believe me, I feel your pain, even maybe if we are different in our beliefs.
And I am tired of so called "Christians" missing the point! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: illuminate | | I haven't read most of the posts, but here's my 2 cents:
Church and state are supposed to be separate. And, though many people have now missed the actual point of CHRISTMAS, it is a religious-ish holiday. I celebrate christmas, but i understand how those that do not could get offended by it being a national holiday. I don't know if there's another way to fix it: each person gets their specific holiday off, i don't know. Some people don't celebrate that holiday AT ALL and they have to get slapped in the face with xmas decorations, xmas songs, xmas sales, xmas trees, xmas blah blah blah.
I like christmas, but whether it should be a national holiday, i dunnoooooooooooo. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | This country was founded by a bunch of Christian males. Christmas is more than a pagn celebration. For many of us Christians it is a day that is put aside to remember the birth of Jesus. For those that do not celebrate Christmas, it is a day that you are not forced to work. Christmas is also a time that is spent with family. So many people celebrate it without even the mention of the reason for the season. So why would it offend people that there is one day put aside that families gather together. The trees, the gifts, Santa, the lights, all that is fun stuff for the kids. I think this country needs stronger family units, and a day to be together sharing joy, religious or not, is a good thing. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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| This country was founded by a bunch of Christian males. |
Some were Christian, many were deists. Deists could care less about celebrating a day set aside for Jesus birth.
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| So why would it offend people that there is one day put aside that families gather together. |
Because there are many of us who don't even want to face the holidays because it is expected that we spend time with a highly dysfunctional family. Again I'd rather work. Some would rather drink. Others would rather die. It all depends on the person and the situation. But, if there are functional families out there producing perfect children...then go for it.
So yeah, I do agree stronger family units are important. But there are many of us who came from unpleasant families (Jodie Foster's "Home for the Holidays"--check it out). And I would hope families would choose more than Christmas for bonding and showing love to one another. Otherwise "Christmas" means nothing.
--Just a little reaction from someone who hates this time of year for this and many other reasons.
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| Posted by: Lawless | | If people don't want to spend time with their families... they don't have to!
I'm not going to do the "usual" this year... because it's what I want to do. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Lawless,
One day I will grow up (it is a long, laborious and difficult process) and not let the past bother me and also some present circumstances either, but until then...there is some crap I have difficulty dealing with...like the holidays.
And I don't mean to throw a BAH HUMBUG on everybody else's partee. 
Just being real. Fake sucks. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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fuscia said this in post #22 :
So many people celebrate it without even the mention of the reason for the season. So why would it offend people that there is one day put aside that families gather together. The trees, the gifts, Santa, the lights, all that is fun stuff for the kids. I think this country needs stronger family units, and a day to be together sharing joy, religious or not, is a good thing. |
I think fuscia nailed it here.
The idea or 'spirit' of Christmas is good and pure. But let's not get crazy and lose sight of the fact it's also a money making capitalist dream. Toys, video games, trees, ornaments, cookies, pies, turkey, ham, wrapping paper... they make a killing this time of year. Not to mention Santa, the fabled fat man brining us this bounty had his modern image created by Coca Cola.
I love Christmas and what it stands for. Even people who aren't religious can at least take a few moments and wish fellow man peace on Earth.
Should it remain a National Holiday. I think so. If, in the distant future, the message and true intent of the holiday is overshadowed by its monetary shackles, then we need to revisit this question.
-HECK!
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| Posted by: lodgebo | | I was just doing a bit of research and I found out that in Scotland Christmas did not become a national holiday until 1958 up until that day everyone worked on Dec 25th.
Also found out Christmas was offcially banned during the reformation. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Heck:
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| I love Christmas and what it stands for. Even people who aren't religious can at least take a few moments and wish fellow man peace on Earth. |
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the ole "peace on earth and goodwill toward men" were a daily focus and not for just one day of the year?
Perhaps the world would be a different place. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | this is the last year that I am going celebrate or even acknowledge Christmas, so I don't give a crap either way.
the only holidays I care about at this point are Fourth of July and Thanksgiving. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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nikiTa said this in post #28 :
Heck:
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the ole "peace on earth and goodwill toward men" were a daily focus and not for just one day of the year?
Perhaps the world would be a different place. |
but it is a start. With all the hate in the world, one day is a start.
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| Posted by: schmiggens | | I doubt that most people who have turkey, etc on Thanksgiving are actually giving thanks that the indians didn't kill all the pilgrims and vice versa. I could be wrong, I don't know much about Thanksgiving, but IMO most people, they're celebrating their families and using Thanksgiving as a means to gather everyone together, it's origins may have been decent and as a way to mark an important event, but now it's not neccessarily about that.
Chistmas was started for whatever reason, whether to celebrate the birth of Jesus or to bribe the pagens into Christianity, either way, it's now more a celebration of people and friends and family and loving your neighbour and the "holiday spirit" to most people.
Some religious people obviously still see it as celebrating Jesus's birth, whether or not it really is that and for them, it is fine. But for the masses, it's not really about Jesus and religion anymore, it's just about spreading the love. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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fuscia said this in post #30 :
but it is a start. With all the hate in the world, one day is a start. |
Not trying to quibble with you on this...but "Christmas" has been around for 1700 years. Longer if you count it for what it is, a pagan celebration.
If that one day was going to cause love to abound...well, it's taking a looooooonnnngggg time.
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| Posted by: flying panda | | id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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nikiTa said this in post #32 :
Not trying to quibble with you on this...but "Christmas" has been around for 1700 years. Longer if you count it for what it is, a pagan celebration.
If that one day was going to cause love to abound...well, it's taking a looooooonnnngggg time. |
yes but it is still a day where most families come together. ANY time that brings people together for goodwill is fine in my book.
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HECK said this in post #26 :
If, in the distant future, the message and true intent of the holiday is overshadowed by its monetary shackles, then we need to revisit this question.
-HECK! |
I believe we are already at this point. After seeing all those crazy people run over people in their cars, in the parking lot, stampede into stores, bump and kick and shove people just to get into a damn target on black friday because it's 60% off just made me sick... i realized we are beyond the TRUE meaning of christmas. People are now into nothing but presents. It's disgusting.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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flying panda said this in post #33 :
id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago |
From a wiccan, pagan, magick site:
http://www.pagancommunitychurch.org.../dictionary.htm
Christmas:
"Christ's Mass." The Christianized Pagan holiday of the Winter Solstice celebrating the rebirth of the Sun. See Yule.
Black Mass:
This rite from the Middle Ages is not connected with witchcraft, despite popular modern belief. <see link below if you believe that lie> The Black Mass is a perversion of the highest Christian sacrament, and must be performed by an ordained Christian priest who has the power to consecrate the elements of the Mass (for good or bad). The transformation of the body and blood of Christ, through wine and bread is strictly a Christian held belief.
Lammas:
From the Old English, meaning "Loaf Mass"; the Christianized Pagan Festival of the First-fruits of the Harvest. See Lughnassadh.
Warning: Not for the Faint at heart
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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flying panda said this in post #33 :
id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago |
The origin of "Christmas," by the "creator" of the Roman Catholic church, Constantine post 300 C.E.
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| Constantine never celebrated "Christmas", because this word and idea didn't exist during his lifetime. But he did celebrate it in its original Pagan form, Natalis Solis Invictus, or Saturnalia -- the birth of the unconquerable sun, on December 25th. Christmas was a formerly Pagan birthday celebration, revised later to apply to Yahushua's birthday. This idea of combining religious concepts, practices, or customs is called: SYNCRETISM definition: The attempt or tendency to combine or reconcile differing beliefs, as in philosophy or religion. Origin of word: Greek, sunkretizen — to unite in the manner of the Cretan cities. SUN together, + Kres (stem Kret ) Cretan. |
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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illuminate said this in post #35 :
I believe we are already at this point. After seeing all those crazy people run over people in their cars, in the parking lot, stampede into stores, bump and kick and shove people just to get into a damn target on black friday because it's 60% off just made me sick... i realized we are beyond the TRUE meaning of christmas. People are now into nothing but presents. It's disgusting. |
Yeah, the holiday did lose some luster after grown men were crying and pummeling each other over a Tickle Me Elmo doll.
At least we know owners, CEO's and investors of Toy Makers, Airlines, Gas Stations, Department Stores and restaurants will have a Merry Christmas in their wallets.
-HECK!
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| Posted by: Optics | | Yes I feel it should be a National Holiday.
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Christmas
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Christmas
Christmas (literally, the Mass of Christ) is a holiday in the Christian calendar, usually observed on December 25, which celebrates the birth of Jesus. According to the Christian gospels, Jesus was born to Mary in Bethlehem, where she and her husband Joseph had travelled to register in the Roman census. Christ's birth, or nativity, was said by his followers to fulfill the prophecies of Judaism that a messiah would come, from the house of David, to redeem the world from sin. Early Christians celebrated more the subsequent Epiphany, when the baby Jesus was visited by the Magi. Efforts to assign a date for his birth began some centuries later. The precise chronology of Jesus' birth and death as well as the historicity of Jesus are still debated.
In predominantly Christian countries, Christmas has become the most economically significant holiday of the year, and it is also celebrated as a secular holiday in many countries with small Christian populations. It is largely characterized by exchanging gifts within families, and by gifts brought by Santa Claus or other mythical figures. Local and regional Christmas traditions are still rich and varied, despite the widespread influence of American and British Christmas motifs through literature, television, and other media.
"Christmas" is a contraction of "Christ's Mass", derived from the Old English Cristes mæsse. It is often abbreviated Xmas, possibly because the letter X resembles the Greek letter Χ (Chi), which is the first letter of "Christ" as spelled in Greek (Χριστός Christos). |
There is more to read at the web site.
As for Sukkot -- the Feast of Tabernacles. I have researched the Sukkot (on the web and everything I read has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, unless I'm missing something. If I'm missing something please explain it to me nikiTa. Thanks.
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| Sukkot is the last of the Shalosh R'galim (three pilgrimage festivals). |
taken from http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday5.htm
The Festival of Sukkot begins on Tishri 15
Tishri is around the Gregorian Equivalent of September-October. Most people believe that Jesus was born between Dec 25th and Jan 6th, there seems to be alot of murky water over the exact date
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono...Birth_and_Death
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| Posted by: Pippin | | Yes.
Christianity is not the only religion that has a religious holiday in December. There's Kwanzaa, Hanuka, Winter Solstice... So there needs to a holiday time set aside for those people who have a religious holiday at that time, and for those of us who aren't religious, it can still be a time to take a break from work/school and spend time with family. So long as there is an official holiday at that time, I don't care what it is called. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: flying panda | | If there is a national holiday for every religion we would have most the year off, and would hardly ever go to work. So the best way to do things is to have the holidays of the religion of the dominant religion in that area. and any other people can try and work something out with there boss | | Reply To this Message
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