Dumbledore Alive?

Book 6: HP & the Half-Blood Prince Forum

I'm very reluctant to think he is, but one of my friends pointed this website out to me and it has some very interesting points. Thoughts?

http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/

Well, even as sad as I've been, I've questioned if Dumbledore is really, truly, dead.

This article brings a lot of thoughts to light, and it's good to have some things backing it up.

Thanks.....

I wondered why Fawkes did not appear to save him. That was the part that troubled me. Also, the song. He could have been trying to heal a gravely injured Dumbledore. No one saw him dead. I hope he is alive. It would be a HUGE shock to everyone, and Voldie, if Albus turns out to be alive. The big question is how the portrait was made to come to life.
Also, I did wonder why he used a bottle to store his memories. Dumbledore simply had to place them in his pensieve. Perhaps an ill or dying Albertforth took his place this last year.

Just finished reading through. It's interesting. A lot of guesswork involved, and a lot of it was not really evidence of anything, but they do make a pretty convincing argument anyway. I like it

One thing I find interesting about the fact that Dumbledore offered to make Draco and family "die", is that a lot of famous and powerful wizards had died or disappeared between book 5 and the end of book 6.

Isn't that interesting? I wonder how many are actually dead... and how many are just in hiding.

The one thing that I had wondered about before was who lit the funeral pyre. Everyone seemed so surprised about it.

I skimmed the article, and it seems that people are desperate to find clues that suggest that Dumbledore is not dead. I think that Dumbledore may not have completely gone, but Dumbledore the man is dead. JKR clearly wrote that herself.

M, the thing you showed to prove that he's dead doesn't really count. It just says that his portrait joined the rest, and the rest are dead, it doesn't mean that you have to be dead to be up there. In theory, that's the way it works, I guess, but you could put it up there anytime you wanted, really.

Plus, those were technically the thoughts of Harry, so the narration can't extend past what Harry thinks is the truth of the situation.

I personally don't wonder about the funeral pyre at all, though. I mean... it set on fire... wizards, magics, all that hoopla? Ring a bell to anyone? Its magic!

That narration is not Harry's thoughts, that is a neutral narration. And I don't think you could just put up your magical portrait just like that without being dead yourself. I believe that is part of the magic that resides in the headmaster's office.

M.

Well, thats the thing, we don't know how the portrait dealy works yet.

And its not Harry narrating, but the way fiction works is that the narrator is in one head at a time. If you look at the paragraph, its explaining Harry's thoughts when he entered the room. You'll notice the narrator wont jump willy-nilly into another person's head, it'll stick with Harry... that's because, though it's written in the third person, this part of the story is narrated from Harry's perspective.

Yes, that is true, but the narration points out that a new portrait had joined the ranks of he dead headmasters, and you have to be part of the rank to join the rank. Granted that the third person narrative follows Harry's thoughts, but I think that JKR wouldn't be so explicit and then throw it all back in our face.

Also, there is the Vow to consider. Snape had made the Vow to complete Draco's task for him if he fails. I don't think you can somehow fool the Vow. If Dumbledore was still alive, that would mean that Snape did not fulfill the Vow, and the Vow would have killed him instead.

If Dumbledore comes back alive, I would never forgive JKR for such blatant LOTR rip-off.

M.

I agree with you on the vow. That site had some explanations of why Snape didn't die, but I don't really buy into them.

And you're right, if JKR brings Dumbledore back to life, all dressed in white, and Voldemort's revealed as Harry's father, there's gonna be some ticked off readers out there.

did Voldemort ask harry to join him in the graveyard scene?

No, but he did ask him in the final chamber in Sorceror's Stone.

M.

I suppose that Albus Dumbledore could be alive.

Alberforth could have died in Albus' place if only for the reason that the Headmaster is mostly refered to as Dumbledore and is rearly called Albus.

We do know that Alberforth could not read when Dumbledore spoke of him (I cannot remember when he said it) but there has been time for him to learn if he wanted to.

However we cannot make any speculations over Alberforth because we do not know that much about him.

For some reason I can't see Aberforth being that powerful or smart as to be able to figure out how to get to the horcrux, then also figure out how to retrieve it from the basin, then also be able to save himself and Harry from the inferi while being greatly weakened, and then do all the rest that he did.

M.

He had a lot of years to learn how to read. I still think that Albertforth is the barman at the Hogshead.

Doesnt Albertforth smell like goats, i didnt notice anything like that when i read that bit, perhaps he washed

He performed an illegal charm on a goat.

Still, I would like to believe that Dumbledore somehow survived. It's like believing in Santa all over again.

Yeah, or perhaps Gandalf for LOTR nuts.

M.

I supose the link between the barman and aberforth is just speculation, but there are links between the two, so im think that JKR has has made that link for a reason, and didnt harry say when he first met the barman that he reminded hm of someone?

The switch of Aberforth and Dumbledore could also be the reason that fawks didnt come to the rescue, and he (or she, not sure what fawks is) was asked by dumbledore to sing the song, or the bird recognised the pain in dumbledores heart that was the death of his brother

I don't know, the switch of the Dumbledores seems like a tall order to me. There are too many variables against it.

Fawkes is a he, and yes, JKR did mention that the barman reminded Harry of someone, though it was not clarified who. I do believe that the barman might be Aberforth.

M.

I don't think JKR would do something like pull Dumbledore back from the dead. All the trauma everyone experienced was too complete. I do think it's possible that Aberforth is the barman, though. Does it say anywhere about how old he looks?

Dumbledore never feared death. It would be inappropriate to bring him back from the dead now.

but maybe DUMBLEDORE never died in the first place!, it could have been aberforth ... wacked out theory there but could hap[pen ... i dont think JK would kill of a caracter that big thn pretend it wasnt him, it would send a confused message to the younger readers, and i think, by the way the death was discribed, JK thinks about her younger readers