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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

Without pornography, what would sex with our partners be like in the 21st century?

Sex provides each of us with pleasure. It has been a phenomenon that has occurred since the beginning of time. Sex is so pleasurable, even animals engage in it for pleasure and not always for reproductive reasons. Sex always has been and always will be the way humans fulfill that inherent need and desire in ourselves and with each other.

Before pornography, how did humans identify, communicate, express and act on those desires/needs with each other? What was their guiding force and how did they manage to keep sex a fulfilling act before modern technology and 20/21st century morals evolved into the state it is in today?

The more hardcore pornography becomes, and the faster the media sells sex, there are more expectations placed on us by our partners. These are expectations of our sex lives that should never have crossed over into the non-pornography world: Our un-scripted, un-acted, and in the non-entertainment dimension that is the Reality of our lives.

When we live in a world that can't separate the difference between the actions of porn stars and expect those same actions from people who do not engage in the making of pornographic material, when do we say enough is enough and reclaim the decency of intimacy?

In your opinion, what are the pros and cons, if any, of pornography, and should it be banned?

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Posted by: nikiTa

Porn can get addictive, or so I have heard. And yet so can writing in forums, that can get addictive too.

In my opinion, roadside billboards can do the same thing as porn....
at times, I have turned on the TV and it happened to be on a station that
shows, in my opinion, the same as porn.
I don't like to get broadsided by porn on such ocassions because well, it has an effect that I have to attend to, and one I wasn't asking for either.

From what I have heard from those who are addicted to porn, it can pretty much turn you into a person who objectifies people. They really have to work hard at relating to people as human beings....even if they are not involved with them.

And porn can do a number on relationships...way too many of my friends have complained that their husbands spend too much time in the computer room looking at porn instead of interracting with their families. And then they don't want to be intimate with their partners.

As far as banning it....I don't think it should be banned for the simple reason that when things are available, they can get addictive, yet if it were banned, it would just go to the black market...and for some people would make it even more enticing...and then it wouldn't be regulated, and you know what would happen then. Ick.

If I go to a gas station that sells porn I make a big deal and say, you know, I didn't know you sell porn here. And for that very reason, I will buy my gas across the street. Nothing like getting slimed in public.

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
sowhatsthetruth said this in post #2 :

From what I have heard from those who are addicted to porn, it can pretty much turn you into a person who objectifies people. They really have to work hard at relating to people as human beings....even if they are not involved with them.

Very well said and very accurate!

And porn can do a number on relationships...way too many of my friends have complained that their husbands spend too much time in the computer room looking at porn instead of interracting with their families. And then they don't want to be intimate with their partners.

Yes, a friend of mine who has been married for a little over a year has given up intimate time with his wife for intimate time with his computer. His wife is struggling to hold his attention, but it's not working for her because, well, she simply won't engage in the hardcore sex that seems to be the only thing that gets my friend off lately. He forgot her birthday, so she sat in a chair alone for the entire evening while my friend did enough celebrating for both of them on his computer.

You've brought up some other very important things that I would like to comment on. I will do that later this evening when I have more time.

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Posted by: nikiTa

Porn is bad for one reason especially in a relationship, because there is something about it that arouses immediately and can be immediately quelled...

No need for romantic dinners, foreplay etc. It's a lazy man's way of getting off, in my humble opinion.

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Posted by: nikiTa

Another thing...
sex is an intimate act, it should bring 2 people closer together....

So, with what exactly are you being intimate using porn?
Yourself, perhaps?
Personally, that can be done without porn thank you very much.

So, not only is it lazy, it is cowardly because you forego human contact, in my humble opinion. Don't mean to be harsh here, I think I am only pointing out the obvious.

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
sowhatsthetruth said this in post #5 :
Another thing...
sex is an intimate act, it should bring 2 people closer together....

So, with what exactly are you being intimate using porn?
Yourself, perhaps?
Personally, that can be done without porn thank you very much.



I think an increasing problem for some people is that porn has been pushed into people's minds as being the "tool", "foreplay/prelude" and "only" way for self "intimacy"

Media is a sick game of cat and mouse. It is subliminal advertising and brainwashing. People just keep eating it up and allowing it to destroy and shake the foundation of people's lives. Porn has built a great big preventative barrier to healthy human intimacy. One by one, every day, a new one falls victim to the sick game.




So, not only is it lazy, it is cowardly because you forego human contact, in my humble opinion. Don't mean to be harsh here, I think I am only pointing out the obvious.

You're not being harsh at all. When was the last time you heard reports of people being addicted to putting time and effort into keeping their relationships healthy and satisfying?




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Posted by: nikiTa

quote:
I think an increasing problem for some people is that porn has been pushed into people's minds as being the "tool", "foreplay/prelude" and "only" way for self "intimacy"


IMO, porn doesn't make anything more satisfying, it just allows for faster arousal...( I was going to add more, but I hope you get the gyst)

quote:
Media is a sick game of cat and mouse. It is subliminal advertising and brainwashing. People just keep eating it up and allowing it to destroy and shake the foundation of people's lives. Porn has built a great big preventative barrier to healthy human intimacy. One by one, every day, a new one falls victim to the sick game.


Maybe so, but after awhile people wake up to the fact that they've been slimed, and that being with a live human, like your husband or wife, is really ultimately more satisfying. If they don't then I question if they have a heart made of stone, or what?

quote:
When was the last time you heard reports of people being addicted to putting time and effort into keeping their relationships healthy and satisfying?


Excellent point.

Now, perhaps I won't get any more porn headers and naked women when exploring this site. Lucky me.
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Posted by: adityamahesh

The day my gf wants me to become more like a porn stud, I am bailing out.

M.

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Posted by: Delta

Its the sick society we live in. Boys 13 have access to porn and form their judgments about women from then on.

We as women have to stop this total disintegration of the female. We have the power but do we do anything?" Thats the question.

i don''t know how far I can go on this thread so I will behave till some one moves it to the flamers ward.

d

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
Delta said this in post #9 :
Its the sick society we live in. Boys 13 have access to porn and form their judgments about women from then on.



That about sums it up.

A person can't be an attractive, decent woman with good morals in this world without more expectations being placed on her.

Just when someone thinks they are already VERY liberal in many areas, even sexually, there is always someone out there who will prove them wrong.

Are people that sick that they can't separate entertainment from real life situations? If so, it is probably best that they form "relationships" with their nearest adult video stores.

Do women have to start wearing signs that say "I am NOT a porn star"?
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Posted by: nikiTa

The whole problem with our porn and sexified culture is that we learn that

sex = love

and

love = sex ...

And that really really messes with our abilities to be healthy emotionally and our abilities to love.

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Posted by: schmiggens

I have never watched a porn movie the whole way through, I saw bits and pieces of one or two back in high school that a friend found under his mum's bed and a big group of us watched them for a few seconds, but it was too wierd and gross and just plain blah.

I think pornography has been around in some form since forever. Before it became such a vsiual medium, it was the written word taht got everyone fired up and they've had brothels since before time began, so sex has always been somewhat in your face.

I don't think porn has led to the downfall of society or anything dramatic like that, people liek to blame it for the delays in women's right and the objectification of women, but again that stuff has been going on forever as well. It's a scapegoat.

The bible wouldn't tell us not to have sex with animals if people weren't doing it back then. If people were having were having sex with animals before porn, they'll still be doing it when porn is dead and gone.

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Posted by: Dekka00

internet = free porn

woohoo!








now imagine........ you are looking at some porn on the internet...... and you see yo momma and yo poppa.

MUHAHAHAH i hope i just ruined porn for you forever.

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Posted by: Inner City Blues

quote:
Dekka00 said this in post #13 :
internet = free porn

woohoo!








now imagine........ you are looking at some porn on the internet...... and you see yo momma and yo poppa.

MUHAHAHAH i hope i just ruined porn for you forever.

More like it's your sister.
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Posted by: nikiTa

Myth #1: Pornography is a victimless act:
Fact:victims include
*spouse or future spouse
*kids or future kids
*yourself--the way we see ourselves
*porn actors and actresses

Myth #2: Porn is just an issue for men.
Fact: 1/2 of women struggling with issue are women

Myth #3: Porn is not an issue within the church.
Fact: Promise Keepers reports 1/3 of their men struggle. Pastors also struggle.

Myth #4 Porn is just entertainment
Fact: Comes out of pain, lonliness, fear of relationship.
*Creates unrealistic expectations of how sexual intimacy is supposed to be.
*Less interested in having sex with spouse.
*Loss of interest in pursuing marital relationship.

Myth #5 Porn is harmless way to explore sexuality.
Fact: Stages of use...
*early exposure
*addiction
*escalation
*desensitization
*acting out sexually...100% of sex offenders used porn regularly

Myth #6 Porn not specifically mentioned in Bible so it is ok
*Book of Leviticus
*Matthew 5:28
*Romans 13: 13-14

Am I addicted?
look at...
*frequency
*intensity
*failed attempts to stop

How to address addiction...repent. Turn away.
*reject thru separation
*remove opportunity
*remove concealment
*remove ambiguity
*resources, counselors, support
*stay accountable when things are going well

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

That's a great post, SWTT.

quote:
Myth #1: Pornography is a victimless act:

Fact:victims include
*spouse or future spouse
*kids or future kids
*yourself--the way we see ourselves
*porn actors and actresses


quote:
Myth #4 Porn is just entertainment.
Fact: Comes out of pain, lonliness, fear of relationship.
*Creates unrealistic expectations of how sexual intimacy is supposed to be.
*Less interested in having sex with spouse.
*Loss of interest in pursuing marital relationship.



I'm having a hard time navigating this Firefox browser, so I will come back later, either on IE or with more patience for Firefox, but I am glad that some people are willing to view pornography as a disease...an addiction. Too much importance is placed on other addictions and the treatment of those addictions and how those chemical addictions affect the addict's life and the lives of those who love them. What about the people who are suffering because of someone else's addiction to porn?

Will this problem ever be taken seriously? It is shaping the way "intimacy" will be viewed in the future. Is that healthy for anyone?

I watched a little television today, and I think I was a little traumatized by what I saw. I saw a commercial for an agency encouraging people to have extramarital affairs if they are bored in their marriages. How can they get away with putting that on television? Isn't adultery grounds for divorce in the eyes of the law? How can they get away with advertising that smut, and enticing/encouraging people to wreck their marriages and families?
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Posted by: nikiTa

It's really sick to me, flutterbywingz, how such a thing as a cross symbol on a county seal in American society is considered a horrific thing warranting removal, while in comparison to things like pornography and adultery ruining relationships, marriages and screwing up children in the head to become future porn addicts is upheld as a good thing. Our society is in a shambles, utter shambles.

I am wondering if anyone else can see those things weighed on a balance to see how completely off balance our society is.

cross symbol on
a county seal

porn and adultery as good things for society...relationships, marriage, and children

How do they weigh in?

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Posted by: lodgebo

My fiance hates porn so it's banned from our house but it doesn't bother me, once your in a realtionship you can it's easier to leave behind the made up world of porn. However I can think of a couple of cases where I personally think use of porn is ok.

I have heard of couples who get a mutual enjoyment out of watching porn and in that kind of case there is no problem. what 2 adults consent to do with thier sex lives should be no issue with anyone else as long as what they are doing is legal of course.

Also you have cases of physically disabled men or old widowed men who know the chances of them having sex are slim to say the least os I don't think them looking at poen is such a terrible thing.

Of course maybe we should weigh it up is it worse for men to look at porn for sexual relief or to go to a prostitute for sexual relief. Which is the lesser of the two evils?

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Posted by: HECK!

Without reading any post here, I have to say, yes- porn is very expensive. Way too much money.

Now I will go read this thread and assume that is what everyone is talking about.




-HECK!

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Posted by: HECK!

As far as porno 'ruining' any kind of 'normal' sex us non-porno stars have, let me just tickle those with some historical context- sex used to be so rampant in centuries past it was as common as skipping down the street. I don't want to get into details, but there were more than just than John and Jane Doe doing the hibbidy dibbidy at once.

Let me flip it this way: porno, if you will, has always been there. I will wager in the same amount per person on this planet. Only difference it's on film and paper now. The almighty internet has thrown it in our face more than never before.

As with anything, if porno didn't sell it wouldn't be there. It's not going anywhere.

I think the biggest stigma toward porn comes from the USA. We have the most censorship and we're being more and more choked by it every year. Look at other countries, there is so much T&A that is readily available on regular TV. Are there generations of deviants? Negative. I'm not saying hardcore porn should be free for all ages, but if you don't like it, change the channel.

Sex in all fashions doesn't always equal love. Love makes it all that much more better and so much more special. But life is about experiences and sex has a lot of different forms. When you're young and of consenting age I say meet people but be smart, have fun but be safe, live life but know there is a tomorrow and keep on keepin' on. And never, never visit a lady of the night. That's just not cool.

-HECK!

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Posted by: Vito9

I've not seen any proof that porn harms anyone. I've watched porn and I am sure 80 to 90% of adult Americans have watched it at least once in their life. There are still people getting married. The idea that porn harms people is simply BS!

It can also be said porn is immoral, however, this does not mean it should be banned. Speaking of banning a cross on a county seal or removing porn from drugstore magazine racks, isn't there always some group trying to ban something???

Where prostitution is concerned who cares who is 'dating' prostitutes? or even whether prostitution is taking place locally??

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Posted by: nikiTa

I just know several men who are self proclaimed addicts of porn and they say that it affects how they view women and men. They are constantly having to battle the objectification of men and women that comes with incessant porn "use."

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Posted by: Flutterbywingz

quote:
Vito9 said this in post #21 :
I've not seen any proof that porn harms anyone. I've watched porn and I am sure 80 to 90% of adult Americans have watched it at least once in their life. There are still people getting married. The idea that porn harms people is simply BS!



I am guessing that you have never asked a woman whether she feels harmed or not when unreality dictates to real people how sex and life should be performed.

I am guessing that you have never asked the victim of a sexual crime whether he/she was harmed or not when his/her perpetrator developed a rape fantasy after getting the idea from a simulated rape scene in a porn movie.

I am guessing that you don't understand how twisted and complex the human mind can get, or how arousal can be psychological, rather than strictly physical.

I am guessing that you believe you are the rule and not the exception.
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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

quote:
schmiggens said this in post #12 :


I think pornography has been around in some form since forever. Before it became such a vsiual medium, it was the written word taht got everyone fired up and they've had brothels since before time began, so sex has always been somewhat in your face.
.


romans and greeks watched each other have sex in person since the internet and videos didn't exist.
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Posted by: Dekka00

that's what I've been doing!!!

it's on the internet? man.. where I have I been?

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Posted by: Dreamzwalker

quote:
Dekka00 said this in post #25 :
that's what I've been doing!!!

it's on the internet? man.. where I have I been?



romans and greeks had it right,
you can join in if your in person
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