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Posted by: Dekka00

I am so sick of this.

This rant has been a long time coming.

Our nation is being sold out to foreign countries. Our currency is slowly becoming meaningless and worthless.

Today I got a roll of pennies from the bank and there was a CANADIAN PENNY inside of it.

People who unknowingly use Canadian pennies should be charged with a misdemeanor and a minimum mandatory sentence of 2500 dollars and 30 days in jail.

Repeat offenders will have increasingly large sentences.

People who KNOWINGLY use Canadian pennies, with MALICE AFORETHOUGHT should be charged with TREASON and sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

it burns me up

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Posted by: Dekka00

it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that Canadian spies are infiltrating our government.

time to go to war with Canada!!

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Posted by: lodgebo

Welcome to wonders/terrors of globalisation.

You think you Americans have problems with diffrent currencies in the UK we have to deal with English and Scottish money ( and the debate about wether Scottish money is legal) and in business terms Euros it all get very confusing. Then of course you occasionaly get Irish coins that nobody wants not even the Irish.

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Posted by: Ken NJ

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Our nation is being sold out to foreign countries. Our currency is slowly becoming meaningless and worthless. Today I got a roll of pennies from the bank and there was a CANADIAN PENNY inside of it.
http://www.marietta.edu/~delemeeg/gifs/dollar.gif Reminds me of when traveling North of the Border and those Canadians welcomed U.S. Dollars but when I got a wadful of the Canadian currency, the merchants refused to accept it when crossing back into the border states. Moral of the story, everyone around the world wants American money, but no one wants other people's money. The irony is when Bush devalues American currency by his bad eonomic policies. Ooops, what domestic or economic policies again?

http://www.marietta.edu/~delemeeg/gifs/dollarb.gif That way he can sellout America cheaply... since he has nothing of value left in U.S. Treasury being raided by all his corporate thieves and cohort lobbyist friends.

As to protecting jobs inside America, forget it. Bush has NO CLUE 5 years into his domestic policies. He won't tell you how many private sector jobs were lost and exported out, but this President may be the BIGGEST spender in the government since WWII.
    Budget of the United States Government - Fiscal Year 2005 - excerpts:

    After peaking at $290 billion in 1992, deficits declined each year, dropping to a level of $22 billion in 1997.

    In 1998, the Nation recorded its first budget surplus ($69.2 billion) since 1969. As a percent of GDP, the budget bottom line went from a deficit 4.7% in 1992 to a surplus of 0.8% in 1998, increasing to a 2.4% surplus in 2000.


    Year 2000 Surplus U.S. $ + 236,445 M
    Year 2005 Deficit U.S. $ – 363,570 M
    (est.)

    * source:http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budge...05/pdf/hist.pdf
Since 2000 Bush has gone so far unopposed controlling 3 branches of government and can pull everyone of the Treasury's purse string. ($$$ Government spending of Federal Funds, the outlays exceeded receipts started immediately in Bush's first year of Presidency and each of his next 5 years. $$$ Bush spent 2.5% increase in just ONE year 2001 before 9/11 while the earlier Adminstration controlled spending meagerly each of the 8 prior years to a fraction of a percentage increase annually. Bush doles out money like water to return political favors in each of the last 4 years, breaking Budget and going into deficit annually.

http://www.marietta.edu/~delemeeg/gifs/ecotime.gif Federal Spending Outlays

1992 to 2000 - $ 1,042,689 to $1,323,922, increase 2.7% net over 8 years
2000 to 2005 - $ 1,323,922 to $1,802,876, increase 36.2% net over 5 years)


* The U.S. Budget For Fiscal Year 2005 - Historical Tables (Page 28)

Even many in the Republican Party DID NOT like the Central American Free Trade Agreement but Bush championed it which will shut down MORE American manufacturing plants. He thinks our farmers will sell MORE cotton..... what a stupid cotton-picking President! Uhhhh, don't you think Central America will just grow their own for sake of convenience and growth in own industry? Not only is their labor base cheaper, so are their land value. U.S. companies will be nothing like before and continue to devalue and go bankrupt. The American workers will be out of more jobs. It's so easy to Bushwack stoopid REDNECK people. http://www.marietta.edu/~delemeeg/gifs/flat_tax.gif Next Bush agenda, the FLAT tax.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/07/15/bush.cafta.ap/story.bush.fri2.ap.jpg President Bush talks with Judy McIntyre at a textile plant, which he says would benefit from CAFTA.
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DALLAS, North Carolina (AP)

    Bush: CAFTA would boost textile exports]
    'This deal is a good deal for workers,' president says
    - Friday, July 15, 2005
President Bush toured a North Carolina textile mill on Friday to try to drum up weak Southern support for his free trade pact with Central America. "Get that bill to my desk," Bush said in remarks aimed at Congress, saying it would help bring more jobs to the United States, not threaten them as critics of the pact contend.

Bush toured the R.L. Stowe Mills plant in nearby Belmont and stood among giant spools of white cotton thread and 480-pound bales of raw cotton. Then he appealed for the treaty's support in a speech at the Gaston community college.

The president mixed promoting the trade pact with talking about the ongoing war on terror and the conflict in Iraq. "We will complete the mission," he said.

He also trumpeted "25 consecutive months of jobs gains." (LIAR, LIAR... pants on fire!)

The Central American Free Trade Agreement passed the Senate on a 54-45 vote two weeks ago. It could come up as early as next week in the House, where its fate is less certain. It faces near-solid Democratic opposition and only lukewarm GOP support.... North Carolina is one of the hotbeds of opposition to the pact , which is modeled on the North American Free Trade Agreement passed 12 years ago that established free trade among the United States, Canada and Mexico.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/08/02/bush.cafta.ap/story.bush.cafta.ap.jpgBush signs controversial CAFTA bill - Tuesday, August 2, 2005 Critics contend CAFTA will cost U.S. jobs by making it easier for U.S. companies to relocate operations in Central America, where labor costs are lower. The White House argues the opposite, asserting it will bring jobs to the United States.

Bush contends the pact would be "good for American workers, good for our farmers and good for small businesses" and "help increase sales abroad and job creation at home."

The textile industry is divided on CAFTA. Some are opposed because of an inherent mistrust of any free trade deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/15/bush.cafta.ap/
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Posted by: Sierradaddy

We're coming for you. We WERE doing it quietly, but we've come so far, there's no sense in keeping it quiet now; we're too far to be stopped...

WE'VE GOT AMERICA BY THE CAJONES, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

Game. Set. Match.

Our currency looks better anyways. More colourful.

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Posted by: Ken NJ

We're NOT fearful of our neighbors North of the Border. Lickity split is from there. They are our huge trading partners in North America. They have similar values and standards of living. Most there speak our lingo. Some people there speak a little funny in Montreol, but apart from that aren't that different than our country here. And neither are we fearful of our neighbor South of the Border either, despite so many claiming all those who are walking by our Border patrols. They help make our country stronger because they put their sweat and labor back into our economy by taking jobs that no one on welfare wants. Hey someone has to do those crappy jobs or nothing gets finished in America. Think about that.

How many of American future generation's kids will have to bail Bush's failed economy out of the deficit?

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/01_large.shtml (Click Here)

As to getting America by the cajones, even Admiral Yamamoto said after Japan silently attacked Pearl Harbor: "We have just woke up the sleeping giant." You know what America did after that, right? We just took them over and dropped that A-bomb and they didn't know what hit them. Another lesson to be learned: Back in 1626 if we Yankees can annex Manhattan in New York convincing those Indians who sold Manhattan Island for $24 (1839 dollars) in cloth and buttons, we can do the same with Canada to the North. Canada needs USA and vice versa.

http://boston.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/6/close-up.jpg http://boston.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/13/Riot-line-ash.jpg

Bush and his Homeland Nazis in expanding Police States.

http://boston.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/3/army.jpg http://boston.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/3/strom-trooper-line.jpg

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswir...25140/index.php (Click for pics)
http://www.hail-to-the-thief.org/images/sticker.jpg But we Americans are finally waking up to realize who our friends and foes are. We know what's good for America and we will clean out own corruption and bad government. The enemy is US. We elected the donkey into office, and we will vote his @ss out (well, his two term limit is up.) Even Bush's own hometown woke up to reality. Bush just keeps selling out America short.

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BUSH'S HOMETOWN NEWSPAPER ENDORSES KERRY September 29, 2004

The newspaper in President Bush's adopted hometown of Crawford threw its support on Tuesday behind Bush's Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry.

The weekly Lone Star Iconoclast criticized Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and for turning budget surpluses into record deficits. The editorial also criticized Bush's proposals on Social Security and Medicare.

"The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda," the newspaper said in its editorial. "Today, we are endorsing his opponent, John Kerry."

It urged "Texans not to rate the candidate by his hometown or even his political party, but instead by where he intends to take the country."

Bush spends many of his weekends and holidays at his Crawford, Texas, ranch.

The Iconoclast's publisher and editor-in-chief, W. Leon Smith, said the newspaper is sent to Bush's ranch each week. "But I don't know if he reads it," Smith said.

http://www.americaforsale.org/mt/archives/000103.php
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Posted by: Ken NJ

http://www.anti-bush.com/bushflag.gif Turning their backs to America. Bush is doing NOTHING about selling out America on LO-tech manufacturing and average American jobs to lower wage scale countries. What this country doing is encouraging plants and factories built oversees. Therefore American jobs are at risks. He rather pays unemployment and welfare instead of allowing Americans to work and pay taxes. Think about that. Hmmmmmm, what a dumb@ss solution.

As to threat to HI-tech jobs, this will eventually follow when other developing countries are training their workforce to learn how to take those same jobs away into lower cost oversees economies.
http://www.whomovedmyjob.org/images/whomovedmyjob.jpg Your type of jobs still can be contracted out. India already taking most of the technology service center jobs already at a quarter of the costs. When people dial 800 line, it gets routed to another country and they have hard time speaking and understanding American complaints and problem resolution. That means that even classified jobs can be redefined by a stroke of the U.S. President's pen and those jobs can be replaced to keep outsourcing lower in cost. When Bush becomes lameduck, he just might do some outrageous things because who knows how far for him is too far?

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Jobless America: Outsourcing Prosperity! by William Hughes Saturday, May. 14, 2005

How can there be a so-called “economic recovery” without the creation of new jobs?

Baltimore, MD - Stanley Aronowitz’s timing was impeccable! The activist, author and educator arrived in town, on Friday, May 13, 2005, to talk about a continuing economic crisis. He labeled it as “The Paradox of the Jobless Recovery,” which is also part of the title of his latest book. (1) On the same day that he arrived, General Motors’ sprawling Broening Highway plant, which had been in operation for over 70 years, closed its doors forever. It is located on the east side of the city. Over 1,100 of its workers were permanently put out of their jobs through no fault of their own. The GM plant’s demise, as a manufacturing colossus, follows hard on the heels of the collapse of the once-mighty Bethlehem Steel, and its Sparrows Point plant, and the earlier loss, also on the east side, of the Western Electric facility.

Aronowitz emphasized that this is all part of “the bleeding that is going on in the U.S.” Referring to the GM plant closure in Baltimore and a recent plant closing in New Jersey, he added, “Plants shut down and plants stay open, and the working class, understandably, gets jittery about what is going on. What is going to happen next? Of course, outsourcing is one of the main things that is going on.” Over the decades, under Democrats and Republicans, Aronowitz found, as he details in his latest tome, that economic growth had become “delinked” from job creation and that the rich have received “financial windfalls” at the expense of most other Americans as a result of that unfair, deindustrialization process.

To reinforce Aronowitz’s argument, the local paper, the Baltimore Sun related earlier today, what is happening out in Iowa. It’s a state that voted for the “Bush-Cheney Gang,” in the 2004 election. Maytag, an American institution, appears ready to leave the city of its birth, Newton, Iowa. A maker of popular appliances, Maytag affirmed reports that it will be closing “the company’s flagship factory in this central Iowa town and moving the jobs overseas.” Its CEO, a character by the name of Ralph F. Hake, confessed at a meeting of its shareholders: “Moving jobs to Mexico and out sourcing agreements with Asian companies are part of the company’s strategy to compete with low cost imported appliances...The issue is earnings, margins and profitability,” he pathetically whined. Magtag’s main plant employs about 1,200 workers. (2) Their future is, indeed, looking grim.

By the year 2015, experts estimate, “3.3 million U.S. jobs and $136 billion in wages could be moved to such countries as India, China and Russia.” They added that the offshoring trend “is huge.” (3) It should be getting clearer now to more and more folks that when the Bush-Cheney Gang blabs on about “A Prosperous America,” it has only an elite few in mind.

Aronowitz then made a stunning point. He said that many of wheeler dealers in America’s key industries, like in automobile, textiles, coal, oil and steel, have only themselves to blame for the present predicament that they, and their workers, find themselves in. In fact, an entire chapter in his book is devoted to this subject. It’s entitled, “It’s the Technology, Stupid!” He argued that the CEOs “screwed up, royally!” They didn’t keep up with the technology and they sold away things, such as the patents on a hybrid car, to Europeans and to the Japanese. American industries, Aronowitz insisted, “fell 20 years behind the times! The Japanese came out with a hybrid car in 2003, while the Americans won’t have one ready until 2009. I think it is the beginning of the end of the U.S.-based car-producing industry,” Aronowitz predicted.

“There have been some job growths in the health and education sectors, while manufacturing continues to decline, rapidly,” Aronowitz said. “Another growth area,” he continued, “has been in the retail industry, where the average worker, like at Wal-Mart, is pulling in $17,000 a year, with jobs that pay around $9.00 an hour.” Unemployment and underemployment are a permanent part of our national economy. And, the Labor Department’s counting of the unemployment numbers “can’t be relied on,” whether it’s a Democrat or Republican in the White House, a Clinton or a Bush. He said the country desperately needs a genuine “jobs and income program.” Aronowitz recalling a recent protest action in New York City involving bicycle enthusiasts, who wanted cars banned from the cities streets, added, “When in doubt ‘organize’ and remember that the best defense is an offense. Go on the offensive!”

Finally, the battle to recover the soul of America is being fought out on different political, cultural and spiritual fronts; including the movement against the unjust Iraqi War.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/1714528.php
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Posted by: Dekka00

with politicians supporting plans like these, how can there be any hope for America?

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Posted by: Ken NJ

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And Bush is grad of Harvard Business school???

What are they teaching there now, destroy the US economy so the rich of the rich can prosper.... there won't be a middle class in a few years......


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/05/21/bush.speech/story.bush.yale.jpg Nah, he a Yalie! Must be embarrassing for their Alumni.
    May 21, 2001NEW HAVEN, Connecticut (CNN) -- President Bush returned to his old college stomping grounds and the city of his birth Monday to receive an honorary degree... from Yale.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/images/2004/08/lou.book.jpg The shipment of American jobs to cheap foreign labor markets threatens not only millions of workers and their families, but also the American way of life. With the pay of corporate CEOs at historical highs and job creation at the lowest level since the Depression, corporate raiders are breaking down our borders in search of the lowest-price labor available anywhere in the world. For the first time in history, corporations are laying off Americans from well-paying jobs and replacing them with low-paid foreign workers. A recent study revealed that 14 million American jobs are now at risk of being outsourced overseas.

Make no mistake, Corporate America isn't doing all this alone: Big business and Washington are in cahoots, trading our nation's livelihood for short-term gain and Lou Dobbs's bold new book takes dead aim. A stirring call to arms and an invaluable prescriptive guide to dealing with the issue, EXPORTING AMERICA tells readers what they can do to save not only their own jobs, but the American dream.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/lou.dobbs.tonight/exporting.america/banner.lou.export.gif Where those jobs eventually went? Here's a short list published by Lou Dobbs in CNN:
    Exporting America: Here is a list of companies we've confirmed are "Exporting America." These are U.S. companies either sending American jobs overseas, or choosing to employ cheap overseas labor, instead of American workers. For listing of D thru Z, just click below at end of "C" listing.
    A
    3Com
    3M
    A. Schulman, Inc.
    Aalfs Manufacturing
    Aavid Thermal Technologies
    Abbott Laboratories
    ABC-NACO
    Accenture
    Access Electronics
    Accuride Corporation
    Accuride International
    Acme Packaging
    Adaptec
    ADC
    Admanco
    Adobe Air
    Adobe Systems
    Admanco
    Advanced Energy Industries
    Aei Acquisitions
    Aetna
    Affiliated Computer Services
    AFS Technologies
    A.G. Edwards
    Agere Systems
    Agilent Technologies
    A.H. Schreiber Co.
    AIG
    Air Products & ChemicalsÊ
    Alamo Rent A Car
    Albany International Corp.
    Albertson's
    Alcoa
    Alcoa Fujikura
    Allen-Edmonds Shoe Corporation
    Allen Systems Group
    Allflex USA
    Alliance Fiber Optic Products, Inc.
    Alliance Semiconductor
    Allstate
    Alpha Thought Global
    Altek
    Altria Group
    Amazon.com
    Ames True Temper
    AMD
    Americ Disc
    American Dawn
    American Express
    American Fashion
    American Greetings
    American Household
    American Management Systems
    American Standard
    American Tool
    American Uniform Company
    Applied Micro Circuits Corp.
    Amerigon Incorporated
    AMETEK
    AMI DODUCO
    Amloid Corporation
    Amphenol Corporation
    Analog Devices
    Anchor Glass Container
    Anchor Hocking
    ANDA Networks
    Anderson Electrical Products
    Andrew Corporation
    Angelica Corporation
    Anheuser-Busch
    Ansell Health Care
    Ansell Protective Products
    Anvil Knitwear
    AOL
    A.O. Smith
    Apex Systems
    Apparel Ventures, Inc.
    Apple
    Applied Materials
    Applied Micro Circuits Corp.
    Arimon Technologies, Inc.
    Arkansas General Industries
    Ark-Les Corporation
    Arlee Home Fashions
    Artex International
    Art Leather Manufacturing
    ArvinMeritor
    Asbury Carbons
    Asco Power Technologies
    Ashland
    AstenJohnson
    Asyst Technologies
    AT&T
    AT&T Wireless
    Atchison Products, Inc.
    A.T. Cross
    A.T. Kearney
    ATMI-Ecosys Corporation
    Augusta Sportswear
    Aurafin-OroAmerica
    Authentic Fitness Corporation
    Automatic Data Processing
    Avanade
    Avanex
    Avaya
    Avery Dennison
    Axiohm Transaction Solutions
    AXT, Inc.
    Azima Healthcare Services

    B.A.G. Corporation
    Bakka
    Ball Corporation
    Bank of America
    Bank of New York
    Bank One
    Bard Access Systems
    Barnes Group
    Barth & Dreyfuss of California
    Bassett Furniture
    Bassler Electric Company
    Bausch & Lomb
    BBi Enterprises L.P.
    Beacon Blankets
    BearingPoint
    Bear Stearns
    BEA Systems
    Bechtel
    Becton Dickinson
    BellSouth
    Bemis Manufacturing Co.
    Bentley Systems
    Berdon LLP
    Berne Apparel
    Bernhardt Furniture
    Besler Electric Company
    Best Buy
    Bestt Liebco Corporation
    Beverly Enterprises
    Bijur Lubricating Corp.
    Birdair, Inc.
    BISSELL
    Black & Decker
    Black Diamond Equipment
    Blauer Manufacturing
    Blue Cast Denim
    Blyth, Inc.
    BMC Software
    Bobs Candies
    Boeing
    Borden Chemical
    Bose Corporation
    Bourns
    Bowater
    Braden Manufacturing
    Brady Corporation
    Briggs Industries
    Brinker International
    Bristol-Myers Squibb
    Bristol Tank & Welding Co.
    Brocade
    Brooks Automation
    Brown Wooten Mills Inc.
    Buck Forkardt, Inc.
    Bumble Bee
    Burle Industries
    Burlington House Home Fashions
    Burlington Northern and Santa Fe Railway

    C&D Technologies
    Cadence Design Systems
    Cains Pickles
    California Cedar Products Company
    Camfil Farr
    Candle Corporation
    Capital Mercury Apparel
    Capital One
    Cardinal Brands
    Cardinal Industries
    Carrier
    Carris Financial Corp.
    Carter's
    Caterpillar
    C-COR.net
    Cellpoint Systems
    Cendant
    Centis, Inc.
    Centurion Wireless Technologies
    Cerner Corporation
    Charles Schwab
    The Cherry Corporation
    ChevronTexaco
    CIBER
    Ciena
    Cigna
    Circuit City
    Cirrus Logic
    Cisco Systems
    Citigroup
    Clear Pine Mouldings
    Clorox
    CNA
    Coastcast Corp.
    Coca-Cola
    Cognizant Technology Solutions
    Coherent, Inc.
    Collins & Aikman
    Collis, Inc.
    Columbia House
    Columbia Showcase & Cabinet Company
    Columbus McKinnon
    Comcast Holdings
    Comdial Corporation
    CompuServe
    Computer Associates
    Computer Horizons
    Computer Sciences Corporation
    Concise Fabricators
    Conectl Corporation
    Conseco
    Consolidated Metro
    Consolidated Ventura
    Continental Airlines
    Convergys
    Cooper-Atkins Corporation
    Cooper Crouse-Hinds
    Cooper Industries
    Cooper Power Systems
    Cooper Tire & Rubber
    Cooper Tools
    Cooper Wiring Devices
    Copperweld
    Cordis Corporation
    Corning
    Corning Cable Systems
    Corning Frequency Control
    Countrywide Financial
    COVAD Communications
    Covansys
    Cray, Inc.
    Creo Americas
    Crompton Corporation
    Cross Creek Apparel
    Crouzet Corporation
    Crown Holdings
    CSX
    Cummins
    Curtis Instruments
    Cutler-Hammer
    Cypress Semiconductor


    * source:http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Be back later.... for more discussions....
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Posted by: lodgebo

This exporting of jobs sounds like foreign direct investment (FDI) and that is a business decision not a government decision so you can't really blame Dubya for this one ( well you can if you want ).

It is also worth remembering where this FDI went in 1980 - 2000, in these 20 twenty years the US never left the top 3 in terms of FDI destination spots thus creating thousands maybe millions of jobs a lot of these jobs came from European, S. American, African and Japanese countries of course now it has flipped and the US is losing jobs to the Far east and Eastern Europe mainly because the workers are cheaper and contrary to popular belief are fairly well skilled. Unforuanatly and this is the way the game is played most countrioes benefit and then lose like the US has done. Part of the problem and it is a problem that China may have is the countries become to reliant on FDI and when it levaes you have an economic downturn due to rising levels of unemployment.

Anyway just thought I would throw that in to the mix.

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Posted by: Ken NJ

Okay, you're more correct than I on The Shrub with MBA.

Now that makes both Ivy Schools embarrassing. This dude can't balance a checkbook.
Looks like they're giving away the honorary diplomas in law if your parents got bucks and power. Both his daddy Bush "H" and his grandfather received the same degree from Yale.
http://www.bushislord.com/images/bushislord09.gif Organized religion controls Bush. Yahshua died for you and me.

http://www.bushislord.com/themes/BIL/images/new/new_header_jpg_with_r3_c2.jpg http://www.rockcitynews.com/photos2/antibushwar5/images/buckfush3.jpg Signs held up by graduates included "Yale Women Against Bush" and death penalty protests. Makes malcom xx happy or sad?

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He received a bachelor's degree in history from Yale in 1968 and a master of business administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. Bush poked fun at his average college record while at the Ivy League school. "And to you 'C' students, you too can be president of the United States," he said to a crowd that rippled with laughter.

The president also got in a good-natured jab at his vice president, who attended Yale for a time. "A Yale degree is worth a lot, as I often remind Dick Cheney, who studied here but left a little early," Bush said. "So now we know, if you graduate from Yale, you become president. If you drop out, you get to be vice president."
* source: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOL...21/bush.speech/
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Posted by: Ken NJ

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lodgebo said this in post

<<< This exporting of jobs sounds like foreign direct investment (FDI) and that is a business decision not a government decision so you can't really blame Dubya for this one ( well you can if you want ).>>>

http://www.rockcitynews.com/photos2/antibushwar5/images/bushsexplicitlyrics.gif I hold this country's chief executive in strategically protecting America's interest when free-trading. The problem is when the USA CEO seems to be out to lunch, and everyone else is eating our lunch. .. leaving our country in a lost position. FDI became a business concept supported by Developed Countries with a good banking system as an OECD country. There are currently thirty full members; of these, 24 are described as high-income countries by the World Bank in 2003.
    They are Australia (1971) Austria Belgium Canada Czech Republic (1995) Denmark Finland (1969) France Germany Greece Hungary (1996) Iceland Ireland Italy Japan (1964) South Korea (1996) Luxembourg Mexico (1994) Netherlands New Zealand (1973) Norway Poland (1996) Portugal Slovakia (2000) Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United Kingdom United States. Doesn't look like China, India and Russia are part of OECD countries in the oversee mix. Hmmmm.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/OECDMitgliedsstaaten.png/400px-OECDMitgliedsstaaten.png The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) is an international organization of those developed countries that accept the principles of representative democracy and a free market economy. It originated in 1948 as the Organization for European Economic Co-operation (OEEC), to help administer the Marshall Plan for the re-construction of Europe after World War II.
    Foreign direct investment (FDI) is the movement of capital across national frontiers in a manner that grants the investor control over the acquired asset. Thus it is distinct from portfolio investment which may cross borders, but does not offer such control. Firms which source FDI are known as ‘multinational enterprises’ (MNEs). In this case control is defined as owning 10% or greater of the ordinary shares of an incorporated firm, having 10% or more of the voting power for an unincorporated firm or development of a greenfield branch plant that is a permanent establishment of the originating firm.

    In the years after the Second World War global FDI was dominated by the United States, as much of the world recovered from the destruction wrought by the conflict. The U.S. accounted for around three-quarters of new FDI (including reinvested profits) between 1945 and 1960. Since that time FDI has spread to become a truly global phenomenon, no longer the exclusive preserve of OECD countries. FDI has grown in importance in the global economy with FDI stocks now constituting over 20% of global GDP.


    * source: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<<< Unforuanatly and this is the way the game is played most countrioes benefit and then lose like the US has done. Part of the problem and it is a problem that China may have is the countries become to reliant on FDI and when it levaes you have an economic downturn due to rising levels of unemployment.>>>

Nah, that ain't going to happen because China has a two-step bait and switch policy when attracting oversees investments. Eventually they take over the American plants and investments for next to nothing as a requirement. In fact, they take the same factories and produce "knock-offs" to compete with the original direct investor. Do they have "Dollar Stores" over in Europe yet? It's a subtle way of nationalizing American assets. They love for Yankees to bring new capital into China, but very difficult to take profits back oversees.

http://www.faceintel.com/corporatetraitor.htm How Intel Betrays America's Educational Future

FaceIntel says:
    Intel continues to leverage cheap foreign labor while deserting the American labor foundation that made Intel what it is today, and Intel operate as an economic traitor to the United States by providing significant investment in training of foreign students and teachers, while failing to support the US educational system to the same extent!
* source: http://www.faceintel.com/corporatetraitor.htm
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Posted by: Ken NJ

A funny saying goes like this:

    "He can lead that horse to the water, but.... " This dog in Washington "Ain't going to hunt!"
Health Care Plan? What's that again? Ain't on Bush's agenda. Dead On Arrival!
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with politicians supporting plans like these, how can there be any hope for America?

http://qcom.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p2000298reg.jpg http://www.comedycentral.com/images/shows/tds/site/d14_02.jpg Not to worry, it was meant to be funny. Consider the source - Comedy Central that bought you that good laughter. It made the news as nothing but "Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn on the nightly news. Some in Congress want everything for nothing.
http://www.washtech.org/images/campaign/offshore2.gif NEXT, better worry about selling out those jobs in the fast food industry. The way Bush is going, he might let BIG Corporations like Taco Bell, MacDonalds, Burger King, Wendy etc. contract that out to the illegal aliens soon , IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT to line his and his friends' pockets.

http://www.rockcitynews.com/photos2/antibushwar5/images/bushdunce.jpg It's NOT HIS JOB to worry about the average American People, setting back America 50 years to "B&W" ages.
    The way Bush see's it, it's his job to take care of BIG business because he has to pay back those who gave him the hundred million for his political campaign to get into office to steal the Treasury's money.
He's Yalie's Class Dunce with a Harvard MBA! Will he go too far since controlling all 3 Branches of USA? Where is the check and balance to bring some sense into him?
He got us into a war that has no end in sight and a big drain on our economy, bankrupting America.
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Posted by: Ken NJ

http://homepage.mac.com/c.shaw/.cv/c.shaw/Sites/.Pictures/BULGES/Debatebulge2.jpg-thumb_269_202.jpg "W" Bush reminds me like he has NO WORRY in the world. He claims to be a good Christian, but goes about killing Muslims and Arabs with his war drums. Lots of casualties including the young and innocent. Whether as Governor of Texas or POTUS, he loves to execute those on death row. Not a worry at all if The State kills innocent people mixed inside an imperfect world. Bush just wants to kill em all.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0823016846.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg What, me worry? Nah... MAD is an American humor magazine; it satirizes American pop culture, deflates stuffed shirts and pokes fun at common foibles.

    MAD Magazine was noted for its absence of advertising, enabling it to skewer the excesses of a materialist culture without fear of advertiser reprisal. The magazine often featured numerous parodies of ongoing American advertising campaigns. During the 1960s, it satirized such topics as hippies, the Vietnam War, and drug abuse. The magazine gave equal time to counterculture drugs such as cannabis as well as to mainstream drugs such as tobacco and alcohol. Although one can detect a generally liberal tone, the magazine always slammed Democrats as mercilessly as Republicans.

    http://bookofjoe.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/05freas_neuman.jpg The image most closely associated with the magazine is that of Alfred E. Neuman, the curly-haired boy with a gap-toothed smile and the question "What? Me worry?" Alfred's image first appeared on the cover of the magazine within the first few years of its existence. Before that he had appeared inside a small portion of an issue. The original image of an unnamed boy with a goofy grin was a popular humorous graphic many years before MAD adopted it. It had been used by the Nazi racial propagandanists as an example of a Jew. The character takes his name from Alfred Newman,


    * source: http://www.bookencyclopedia.com/ind...agazine#History
http://bookofjoe.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/05freas184.jpg The man who made Alfred E. Neuman world-famous is dead January 12, 2005. Frank Kelly Freas, an artist and illustrator whose work included luminous images of amiable aliens beloved by science-fiction fans, the jug-eared visage of Alfred E. Neuman for Mad magazine and the crew shoulder patch for Skylab I astronauts, died on Sunday at his home in Los Angeles. He was 82.
* source: http://www.bookofjoe.com/2005/01/the_man_who_mad.html

Bush is nothing but a puppet on a string.

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rc-216 The "system" reportedly delivered to the White House
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Posted by: Ken NJ

SWTT, wanna see something weird? It's true that any political campaign NOW would be suicidal if NOT from a Christian persuasion. Almost 100% of last 43 were Christians , with 11 Episcopalian (26%), 9 Presbyterian (21%), 4 each Methodist, Baptist and Unitarian (10% each), 3 Disciples of Christ (7%.) Andrew Johnson was only President with no declared religious denomination when elected.

http://www.centralsynagogue.org/images/home.intro_right.jpg http://www.centralsynagogue.org/images/logo.gif http://www.islamicity.com/global/images/logos/istanbul_title.gif http://www.buddhanet.net/images/main2004/splash_buddha-pict.jpg Aethists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddists and other non-traditional European faiths would have a difficult time getting elected. Major religious groups in the U.S. which have never had a U.S. president include: Lutherans (about 5% of the U.S. population); Jews (about 2% of the U.S. population); Latter-day Saints (2%); Pentecostals (about 1.8 %); Muslims (approx. 1 to 1.5%); Eastern Orthodox (approx. 1%.)

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Oh, come on, Ken_NJ, every President has claimed to be a Christian. It would be political suicide if he didn't.

One of the most over-represented religious groups among U.S. presidents is Unitarianism. Despite merging with Universalism in the 1960s, the combined proportion of Unitarian Universalists in the U.S. population is just 0.2% of the population (one in every 500 Americans). Yet there have been 4 Unitarian presidents.

Another over-represented religious group among U.S. presidents is Dutch Reformed, by virtue of having two U.S. presidents, yet having only a small number of people left in the country who identify themselves as Reformed. The contemporary heir to the Dutch Reformed churches is the "Reformed Church in America," which has about 300,000 members in the U.S. and Canada. (Alternatively, one might count only a single president as Dutch Reformed, if Theodore Roosevelt is counted as an Episcopalian -- sources differ on this subject. Even only one Dutch Reformed president would constitute statistical over-representation.)

After that, Disciples of Christ, Episcopalians, and Quakers have also had representation in the White House far outstripping their proportion of the U.S. population.

http://www.catholic.org/images/ins_news/small_2005082655.jpg http://www.catholic.org/images/index/logo2.gif On the other end of the scale, the most under-represented religious group is Catholicism, which has had only one U.S. president (John F. Kennedy), despite making up 26% of the current U.S. population. Also under-represented are Baptists, whose proportion of the U.S. population (18%) is twice their proportion of U.S. presidents (9.5%).
    # President Name - Religion
    1 George Washington Episcopalian
    2 John Adams Unitarian
    3 Thomas Jefferson raised Episcopalian (later in life, belonged to no specific religion) held many Christian, Deist and Unitarian beliefs
    4 James Madison Episcopalian
    5 James Monroe Episcopalian
    6 John Quincy Adams Unitarian
    7 Andrew Jackson Presbyterian
    8 Martin Van Buren Dutch Reformed
    9 William Henry Harrison Episcopalian
    10 John Tyler Episcopalian/Deist
    11 James Knox Polk Presbyterian/Methodist
    12 Zachary Taylor Episcopalian
    13 Millard Fillmore Unitarian
    14 Franklin Pierce Episcopalian
    15 James Buchanan Presbyterian
    16 Abraham Lincoln raised Baptist;later no specific denomination

    17 Andrew Johnson no specific denomination *

    18 Ulysses S Grant Presbyterian/Methodist *
    19 Rutherford B. Hayes Methodist
    20 James A. Garfield Disciples of Christ
    21 Chester A. Arthur Episcopalian
    22 Grover Cleveland Presbyterian
    23 Benjamin Harrison Presbyterian
    24 Grover Cleveland Presbyterian
    25 William McKinley Methodist
    26 Theodore Roosevelt Dutch Reformed;Episcopalian
    27 William Howard Taft Unitarian
    28 Woodrow Wilson Presbyterian
    29 Warren G. Harding Baptist
    30 Calvin Coolidge Congregationalist
    31 Herbert Hoover Quaker
    32 Franklin Delano Roosevelt Episcopalian
    33 Harry S. Truman Baptist
    34 Dwight D. Eisenhower Jehovah's Witnesses
    Presbyterian
    35 John F. Kennedy Catholic
    36 Lyndon Baines Johnson Disciples of Christ
    37 Richard M. Nixon Quaker
    38 Gerald Ford Episcopalian
    39 Jimmy Carter Baptist
    40 Ronald Reagan Disciples of Christ; Presbyterian
    41 George H. W. Bush Episcopalian
    42 William Jefferson Clinton Baptist
    43 George W. Bush Methodist (former Episcopalian)

    (I think Laura Bush was raised a Catholic)


    * source: http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html
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Posted by: Ken NJ

History teaches us that economics and politics play an overwhelming role in shaping the present and future. Elvis Presley has pop culture, economics but no political play.

http://www.wbkids.com/MJ_WEB_PICS/thumbs/th_mj-lisa_053.jpg Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson would have produced an American Royal family. They had the talents, means, the power and the pop culture of being the King of Pops. Both are internationally famous. But this country is not ready just now for a mixed couple celebrity icon. Lisa didn't want to bear any Jacko Whacko's kids nor his great musical genes. She's Pentecostal and he's Jehovah's Witness like Dwight Eisenhower. We have many start-up Hollywood dynasties, but they eventually fizzle out whether Presley, Regan and hundreds of other famous American families.
Pop stars come and go with the media play. Our media love to build them up and then tear them down. Aside from that, the closest two past American royalty were President Kennedy and Actress Grace Kelly marrying Monarch of Monico. The two past Kennedy brothers John and Robert were assassinated. John-John would have started the first line of American Royalty and Cabaret by the popularity of the American people. Instead, NOW we have two President Bushes father and son “W” and “H” who established own family Monarchy in United States over the last two decades. Both have secret agenda to dictate Middle East “Regime Changes.” Will there be a Third Monarchy to follow with Jeb Bush in 2008?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Time-magazine-cover-prince-charles.jpg/180px-Time-magazine-cover-prince-charles.jpg http://www.eurohistory.com/windsor.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Princessdi.jpg Prince of Wales of the Royal House of Windsor

    http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/news/050711/pdiana.jpgDiana 'ended up in bed' with John Kennedy Jr (This would have made a good pair of royalty.)

    Princess Diana had a passionate affair with John F Kennedy Jr, according to a new book on the late former wife of Prince Charles. Diana and Kennedy, who both died in tragic accidents in the 1990s, met in in New York in 1995 when the son of the assassinated United States president sought an interview with her for his magazine George, the Sun newspaper reported on Monday. She refused but agreed to meet him in his luxury suite in the Manhattan hotel overlooking Central Park, according to Simone Simmons, described by the paper as a "friend and confidante" of the late Princess of Wales.

    Diana was "bowled over" by Kennedy's charm. "We started talking, one thing led to another and we ended up in bed together. It was pure chemistry," she is quoted as saying in Simmons book Diana: the last word.

    Also, according to the new biography, Diana thought the pair would make a great team and even entertained the idea of becoming the United States' first lady if he went into politics. Upon her return to London, Diana had an astrological chart drawn up on Kennedy and concluded that they were not compatible enough to pursue a relationship, according to Simmons. They remained in contact for some time before Kennedy married Carolyn Bessette the following year.

    Diana was killed in 1997 in a car accident in Paris. Kennedy, his wife and her sister Lauren Bessette were all killed when the plane he was piloting crashed near Martha's Vineyard in July 1999.


    http://au.news.yahoo.com/050627/19/uvl3.html
To a large extent, America was built in mind by our forefathers to be a country as “We The People… For The People…. By The People” despite our immigrant past has been from many outcasts of the English royal families and other European dynasties such as Romanov, Habsburg, Hohenzollern, Wittelsbach, Bourbon and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. But some of American Commoners have married into the Nobility Families, but the fate of American royalty eventually die their natural curse. There aren’t any American royalty families.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/mideast/jan-june99/hus08.jpg http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/mideast/jan-june99/jordan_map.jpg http://www.pbs.org/newshour/images/mideast/jan-june99/king.jpgIn 1978, King Hussein of Jordan married for the fourth time. 26-year-old American Lisa Halaby came to be known as Queen Noor. The king had four children with her. PHIL PONCE: King Hussein ruled Jordan for 46 years, longer than any other modern leader in the Middle East. He gained wide acclaim for moving Jordan and its Arab neighbors toward peace with Israel. Jordan, a nation of about four million people, borders Israel, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. King Hussein of Jordon died from cancer in February 1999 and sought treatments at the Mayo Clinic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/Kinghussein.jpg/250px-Kinghussein.jpg Her Majesty Queen Noor. She was born in Washington, DC. Queen Noor's paternal grandfather, Najeeb Elias Halaby, a Syrian immigrant of Lebanese descent, was an oil broker, according to 1920 census records. Lisa Halaby was raised and educated in the United States, graduating from Princeton University in 1974. An architect-planner by training, she met King Hussein while working in Jordan on the development of the Amman Intercontinental Airport. They married on June 15, 1978. In a New York Times article (May 19, 1978) about the couple's forthcoming wedding, a friend of the bride described her as "a darling, healthy, sunburned, tennis-playing, All-American girl, but she is very sophisticated. I can't see her marrying the average boy." Halaby converted to Islam , and before the marriage took place, her first name was changed from Elizabeth to Noor, an Arabic word meaning Light. Queen Noor was extremely disappointed that her son, Prince Hamzah, was not named as her husband's successor and thus become king upon the death of King Hussein. As a result, there is a tense and unamicable relationship between Queen Noor and King Abdullah and Queen Rania. Prince Hamzah attended Harrow, the British public school, and Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He also graduated from the Royal Military College at Sandhurst, England. He is a major in the Jordanian Army.

* source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hamzah_of_Jordan

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Grace Patricia Kelly (November 12, 1929 – September 14, 1982) was an Oscar-winning American film actress who, as a result of marriage to Prince Rainier III of Monaco, became Her Serene Highness Princess Grace of Monaco. She was the mother of the principality's current reigning Sovereign Prince, Albert II of Monaco. She was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to John Brendan Kelly, Sr. (October 4, 1889 – June 20, 1960) and Margaret Majer, a Catholic convert from Lutheranism; her Irish Catholic family (originally from Kidney Lake, Co. Mayo, Ireland) were new but prominent figures in Philadelphia society.

Her Catholicism and ability to bear children were key factors in her being chosen to marry Prince Rainier. Tales were circulated that Monaco would revert to France in the absence of an heir. In 2002, a new treaty between France and Monaco clarified that even if there are no direct heirs of the reigning prince, the principality will remain an independent nation, rather than reverting to France. Due to Prince Albert's enduring bachelorhood, Monegasque law now states that in the event of a reigning prince's lack of descendants, his siblings and their children will inherit the throne. The line of succession is now Princess Caroline, then her children by her late second husband Stefano Casiraghi, who died in 1990, and her third husband, HRH Prince Ernst August of Hanover. At the age of 52, in September 1982, Princess Grace suffered a stroke while driving.

* source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Kelly

http://www.webwombat.com/lifestyle/fashion_beauty/images/knauss1.JPG He’s about the next closest to being an American royalty, a by-product of the media and TV Reality Show – The Apprentice. He is New York City’s most powerful and richest. He even tried running for Presidential Office about one day and then dropped out. Trump is often known as "A Schoolboy's Dream" and "A Competitor's Challenge", as he is rarely afraid of defining the ways of a prolific American business executive, and thus became an example of one. He can almost always be seen wearing a pink tie.

http://www.ilovedonaldtrump.com/images/donaldtrumpjr.jpg Donald Jr. - Born December 31, 1977. Possibly the next heir to America's throne.

Despite television shows depicting otherwise, Donald Trump Jr. does not ride on his father's coattails. A graduate of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business with a double major in finance and marketing, Trump Jr. excelled in intensive studies and hands-on experience in real estate development. He now holds a vice president's position in The Trump Organization and appreciates his father's tutelage. "I'm sure I will pick up a lot of his habits and a lot of his traits," Trump Jr. said of his father. "I think in real estate there could be a lot worse things ...

http://inreview.com/showthread.php?...=836#post484880

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Posted by: Dekka00

AMERICAN ROYALTY??

pfah! i spit on the idea

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Posted by: Ken NJ

Ergos the first curse by a commoner. Many in this country can't stand the idea of nobility. That is the first reason why so many immigrated besides looking for better opportunities.

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Posted by: lodgebo

The royal family is noting but a waste of space a very expensive waste at that.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Yeah but dead people normally don't take up much space except in cemeteries.

Also good points about the royal family and religious intolerance not a lot of non Brits know about the reformation.

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Posted by: Ken NJ

http://www.elvis.com/images/mainpage/epe_mp_promo2_shop4.jpg http://www.nme.com/media/images/Stones_Munich_060803_M.jpg Move Over Elvis Presley because The Rolling Stones are taking center stage. Some would like to send them to a dirt nap and rest next to Elvis' space.

    I was schooled with a strap right across my back
    But it's all right now, in fact, it's a gas
    But it's all right
    I'm Jumping Jack Flash

    It's a gas! Gas! Gas!
    I was drowned
    I was washed up and left for dead.
They made $300 million their last world conert tour in 2003. Some political whackies are even going so far as fingering the modern day singers for their new song track "Sweet Neo Con" as Anti-Bush. Here is an excerpt of the controversial lines:
    "You call yourself a Christian,
    I call you u a hypocrite/
    You call yourself a patriot,
    Well I think you're full of sh*t."
Jagger said of the track: “It is direct. Guitarist Keith Richards said: ‘It's not really metaphorical.’ ”I think he’s a bit worried because he lives in the US. But I don’t.” ’A Bigger Bang’ is released on September 5, 2005 and is preceded by the single, ’Streets Of Love’ on August 22. The band begin their forthcoming world tour in Boston on August 21. More to come.

* source; http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2005080...33011&printer=1
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