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Posted by: Lawless

Okay... so now with the death of Dumbledore... the threat of the closure of Hogwarts is a definate possibility. What do you think... will the school stay open, with McGonagall as the Headmistress? Will the school close because the parents pull out their children? Will the Ministry try to shut it down? What are your thoughts? What about Harry? Will he return to the school, if it's open? Do you think that he will return to Hogwarts, at the end of the book, to teach?

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Posted by: Maja88

It'd be awful if Hogwarts closed, but somehow I'd like to read about Harry outside the school, facing life outside Hogwarts walls. It would be great to see him as an adult wizard ('cos he'll be of age in book 7!). He might go and teach at Hogwarts, but I think his dream'll come true and he'll become an Auror eventually. Not at the age of 17, though.
As it's for the school - it might not work throughout the year, but something will be happening there, I'm sure. It will be open even for a reduced number of students. Or at least it will serve for some of the Order's purposes. And anyway, Hagrid'll always be there... No matter what, I think Harry'll always come to Hogwarts from time to time, just to check on his old home...

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Posted by: Lawless

Yeppers... I think that it will still be open... because there are family's that won't remove their children. I think that Ron and Ginny, and Hermione would still be sent to school. And many others. Though, there are families that won't allow their children back, until Voldemort, and the Death Eaters are removed, for good.

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Posted by: flying panda

I think hogwarts will open, McGonagall kept on saying "what Dumbledore" would want, and i think she said that the school would open even if only one student wanted to come back.

Im not sure if it will remain open for the whole year. or Harry will leave half way through, to settle some bussiness, for example the Horcruxes.

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Posted by: Lawless

Actually, I think that McGonagall was for the school closing, and another Head of House... ummmmmmmmm, Flitwick, I think... said that if even ONE student came back, that the school should remain open!!!

Anyway... it's just going to be interesting to see where JKR takes book 7 in regards to the school.

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Posted by: flying panda

Yea ... Even though many questions were anwsered in HBP ... Many possiblities were made, many directions ... JKR likes here Fan fiction

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Posted by: Maja88

Speaking of school, did you notice how Gryffindor hour glass with rubies, the one they get their points into, was broken during battle with the Death Eaters? Do you think that means something? I think it could be a hunch that something will change in school, like, the houses won't exist anymore and all students will simply be parts of one great big Hogwarts family. That is, if the school reopens at all.

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Posted by: flying panda

That could be possible, but maybe a death eater (most proberly be from slytherin) saw Gryffindor winning, and decided to smash the glass, but you may be right

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Posted by: Lawless

Hey, I COMPLETELY missed that, Maja... great thing to point out. Hmmmmmmmmm, that would really be something, if the houses were removed, and it became "one house" at Hogwarts. But, there is a reason for each house, as the 'characteristics' of each student is a part of a certain direction.

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Posted by: fuscia

Ron's parents have no say as to him going back to school. He is of age, as is Hermione. They will follow Harry no matter where he goes.

I do think the school will reopen. There will be few students, but I think that the trio will go back there perhaps as a cover.

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Posted by: Maja88

But if a small number of students return to Hogwarts, maybe there'll be no point in keeping up separate houses. Maybe there's gonna be something like a "We must stick together" policy. That's why I thought that might happen.

I can't really see Harry going back to school and actually attending classes. Ron and Hermione - maybe, but I think Harry's done with his schooling. I mean, after everything that's happened to him, do you really think he'd ever be bothered by homework again?

Fuscia, the cover idea is great. It would be nice if students (DA members) kept on with their work at school and along that, helped fight Voldemort. But I just don't think Harry will be one of those who'll return to Hogwarts.

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Posted by: fuscia

I think he will visit Hogwarts. There has to be something more at the school that Voldemort wants OR perhaps when he went to apply for a position on the staff, he hid a horcux there.

Harry may set off to school on the train, then depart for his journey from there.

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Posted by: flying panda

He could Aperate to hogsmead, he knews the way in through the tunnel from there.

It all depends on what the small wand movement from Tom was when he came to apply for the job ... was it the Curse of DADA or was it making a Horcrux

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Posted by: Maja88

To make a Horcrux Tom would have to kill someone right before making it, isn't that how it works? So that small wand movement was probably not it. Still, it's possible that he planted some of his Horcruxes in the school after he made them, hid them where Dumbledore would never search - right under his nose...?

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Posted by: flying panda

Doesnt it just say that killing someone cracks your soul (not nessiserily in half) and you put part of it into the Horcrux. Doesnt say anything about timing ... Voldemort's soul must be in so many peices. Having killed so many people, it must be in alot of peices

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Posted by: Maja88

Hmmmm... but Voldemort killed much too many people in his life. He only made seven Horcruxes. So, he chooses when will he make it and whose murder will he use to make it. Maybe timing doesn't matter, but there still is a charm that he must perform to make a Horcrux. Simply murdering someone is not enough. In that case, every Death Eater would have many Horcruxes.

Speaking of Horcruxes. Didn't Dumbledore say something like -can't remember anymore- that Voldemort hadn't yet chosen all the objects for the Horcruxes when he came to kill Harry? What does that mean? Did he use James' or Lily's murder to make a Horcrux, and what was the object in that case?

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Posted by: flying panda

But he didnt want to kill James and lily, just harry, but they "got in the way". I dont think he used them to make Horcruxes ... he just uses people he considers important.

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Posted by: Lawless

Dumbledore said that he was sure that Harry's death was going to be what Voldemort used to make his final horcrux.

And, Dumbledore doesn't know, FOR SURE, that Voldemort made only seven of them... but, from the memory that was viewed, and Tom's comment about seven being a good number... that would lead you to believe that it how many made.

No, it didn't say that you must kill someone and then make the horcrux... so, we don't know about the 'timing'

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Posted by: gaboman

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flying panda said this in post #17 :
But he didnt want to kill James and lily, just harry, but they "got in the way". I dont think he used them to make Horcruxes ... he just uses people he considers important.
In an interview, I think from the leaky couldron, JKR said that James was killed by Voldemort first, he wasn't given the choice whether to live or die. Only Lily was.


Which makes for an interesting discussion, if you ask me...
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Posted by: flying panda

But Voldemort only killed james because hegot in the way. He was only out to get Harry, not his family. James wasnt given the choice because he faced up to Voldemort in a duel, I think lily was bent over Harry, or standing in front of Him. I dont know what caused Voldemort to ask Lily to get out of the way, and why he didnt just blast her away. We only know what happened in the room, not what happened outside with james ... who knows

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Posted by: flying panda

JK said in an interview that there will be no more quiditch matches, this could be a clue that Harry isnt going back, for lessons at least. Or maybe there aren't enough students to play

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Posted by: Maja88

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flying panda said this in post #21 :
JK said in an interview that there will be no more quiditch matches, this could be a clue that Harry isnt going back, for lessons at least. Or maybe there aren't enough students to play


Hey, that's interesting. What did she mean by "no more quidditch matches"? Is it just in Hogwarts or is it, no more Quidditch Premier League, no more English Quidditch Team matches... in general?

Oh no...... I'll miss QUIDDITCH...
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Posted by: fuscia

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Kris Rucker said this in post #18 :
Dumbledore said that he was sure that Harry's death was going to be what Voldemort used to make his final horcrux.

And, Dumbledore doesn't know, FOR SURE, that Voldemort made only seven of them... but, from the memory that was viewed, and Tom's comment about seven being a good number... that would lead you to believe that it how many made.

No, it didn't say that you must kill someone and then make the horcrux... so, we don't know about the 'timing'


"but how do you do it?" Tom Riddle

"by an acto of evil-the supreme act of evil. Buy committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart......"Sluggy

Why run around with your soul torn apart. I would assume that he would make a horcrux right away. Procrastination does not seem to fit Voldie at all. I do think that Nagini could be the seventh, and that it was made after he returned to his body. He was hell bent on having 7.
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Posted by: flying panda

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Maja88 said this in post #22 :


Hey, that's interesting. What did she mean by "no more quidditch matches"? Is it just in Hogwarts or is it, no more Quidditch Premier League, no more English Quidditch Team matches... in general?

Oh no...... I'll miss QUIDDITCH...


I think she ment that she doesnt write any more matches, not that there are no more, anywhere ... dont worry, you can still have your quirditch
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Posted by: bluejeanbaby

I think that Hogwarts will remain open, but not necessarily as a school. I'm sure that the option of learning will be made available to those students who want to learn, but that will not be the main point of Hogwarts.

I think that it will be "base of operations" kind of thing. Hogwarts still has all kinds of protective spells on it and it would be a great place for the Order to opperate out of. It's a place that is familiar, safe, and protected. But I don't think that the majority of the story will take place at Hogwarts. I think that the majority of the action will take place outside of the grounds.

But Howarts will most definitely still be in the story. She's taken away Dumbledore, she can't take away Hogwarts too.

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Posted by: fuscia

bluejeanbaby, welcome to the forum.

I like your idea about the order using Hogwarts as headquarters. They will need to help Harry, and I have a feeling that Voldemort will still want Gryffindor's Sword. It won't be a horcrux, but it will be a prize that he desires.

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Posted by: flying panda

Ive just had an idea, what if Harry carrys Voledemort away from his death eaters through apperation it would be easer to asscape after killing him ... its an idea, and Harry needs to use his apparation, even if he doesnt have a licence, he knows how to do it, why would he need to learn it otherwise?

I dont know if you can track someone apparating

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Posted by: bluejeanbaby

I just got my newest Entertainment Weekly with Harry on the cover (I recommend picking it up if haven't already. It has a pretty decent interview the GoF director and they dissect HBP as well.) and it says that JKR has said that there will be a new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher next year, so that must mean that Hogwarts will be open as a school in the next book.

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Posted by: Lawless

AWESOME!!! So, we got some confirmation on the school for the final year for Harry, and friends. Wonder WHO it will be....

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Posted by: bluejeanbaby

I haven't a clue, but the article also said that JKR wouldn't be introducing any new major characters, just bringing those that we've been introduced to but haven't properly "met" back into the mix.

If you'd been at work today, I would have let you see the magazine.

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Posted by: Lawless

That's what I get for taking today off! And now, you're on vacation for the next month!!!!

Well... I guess that we've got more than enough time to speculate what we think book seven will entail.

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Posted by: Maja88

That is really great! Hogwarts will open again, yaaay!! What does it mean that there won't be any new major characters introduced in book 7? Maybe there'll still be someone new coming to work as teacher, they just won't be very important. Either that, or some of the old characters will come to fill up all the empty teachers' spots.

There might be a problem to find new teachers, because three will be needed - someone to replace McGonagall in Transfigurations, someone to replace Snape in DADA and (as I don't think Slughorn's brave enough to remain in school now that Dumbledore's not there to protect him) I'd say JKR will have to be introducing a new Potions teacher as well...

What do you think? Will new, but not very significant characters come to work in Hogwarts or will JKR just use some of the old ones (like Lupin, Tonks, Bill Weasley...?)

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Posted by: fuscia

It would not surprise me to see a Weasley show up to work at Hogwarts. Tonks will be needed as an auror, or she could quit her job and be there to help protect the kids. You never know with JKR.

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Posted by: flying panda

I think thats part of the "Harry's not going back to Hogwarts" ... they might be new, but of no signiofigance likethe anchant runes teacher is to Harry, have we accually met him? ... maybe he will tell harry/hrmione what the symbols on dumbledores pensive mean!

Or all classes will be changed, so to teach how how to defend against Voldemort, instead of doing things like love potions (thats an idea, give Volde a love potion) and transfigureing heghods to pin cusions

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Posted by: adityamahesh

Yeah, Harry should slip him a love potion. With Voldemort having an infatuation for Harry, it would be much easier to kill him.

M.

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Posted by: Oliphaunt

That would be so funny, can you imagine Voldie running around after Harry? "Oh Bellatrix, I can't take it anymore, I don't think he knows I exist, can you introduce me?" "Harry, Harry, where art thou Harry". Hehe.

I've just realised how wrong this all is

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Posted by: Maja88

It's at least as funny as it's wrong...

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Posted by: adityamahesh

Wrong? You people don't like homosexuals do you?

I think it would be a great boost to homosexual rights if the Dark Lord turned homosexual. It would be good to have him campaigning for homosexual equality.

M.

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Posted by: Lawless

*faints* I do NOT want Voldie promoting homosexuality!! Like we need HIM in our community, making things worse!!

Besides... that is all that the book needs. Isn't there already enough controversy regarding Harry and Satan?

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Posted by: Oliphaunt

Oh God yeah, can you imagine all the priests, "here's the proof, Harry Potter is gay! A terrible sin! How can we let our children read this blah blah blah" (No offence to the many christian hp fans we have here )

And M, as you well know, I have no problem with homosexuals (), it's....well, what would you call relationships between dark lords and their nemesis'?

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Posted by: adityamahesh

I would call those relationships 'bridging of old differences'.

M.

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Posted by: Maja88

Okay. Allrite. Harry/Draco shippers I understand, Harry/Voldy shippers - NOT! Call it homophobia, republican-ness or irrational hatred towards snakelike humanoid creatures, but I still think that's wrong... it's so very wrong...

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Posted by: flying panda

The fact that Vole's trying to kill harry kind of puts a dampaner on the harry/Volde shippers

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Posted by: Maja88

Yeah, it kinda does, doesn't it? I don't think their relationship could ever recover .

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Posted by: White Tiger

There are some pretty sick stories on the web regarding Harry Potter.

Some stick him in sexual relations with Dumbledore, some with Moody, some with Voldemort and some with Umbridge of all people.

There are many more that I have read the summary of and then gotten away as fast as I could. I could live perfectly happily without some of these images in my head.

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Posted by: Maja88

Bleh! Yuck! UMBRIDGE?? Well that's not even funny. Dude. As u said, White Tiger... completely unnecesarry images to visualise.

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Posted by: flying panda

The book didnt say what they were doing before she got him to engrave writing in his arm, just for aperances

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Posted by: adityamahesh

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White Tiger said this in post #45 :
There are some pretty sick stories on the web regarding Harry Potter.

Some stick him in sexual relations with Dumbledore, some with Moody, some with Voldemort and some with Umbridge of all people.

There are many more that I have read the summary of and then gotten away as fast as I could. I could live perfectly happily without some of these images in my head.


Thankfully, my idea is completely in humor and I also think that if Voldemort is slipped a love potion, it would be easier to kill him. All Harry would have to do is ask Voldemort where his horcruxes are.

M.
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