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Thread open to horcruxes. There are six. Two have been destroyed-TMR's Diary, and the Ring of Slytherin. What do you think are the others?

Possibly the locked has been destroyed too, but we cant be sure of that.

Does anyone have a strange feeling that Harry's scar is a Horcrux?

I had that feeling, yeah. Seems right. It could be the "Gryffindor's something"

I expect that Nagini is one.

And the key to finding the Horcruxes is to find out who R.A.B is.

i think RAB is sirius brother and i think that the gryffindor horcuxe is the sword that harry pulled out of the hat and maybe the hat it's self?

No, Dumbledore categorically refuted the idea that the sword is a horcrux, and neither is Harry's scar.

Harry said that he has a feeling he needs to go to Godric's hollow. There may or may not be a horcrux there, but it seems to me that it is a place of immense importance to the story and the conclusion.

As for Regulus Black, one problem I find with this idea is that Sirius neither anyone else never seemed to have placed any importance on his intelligence. I don't know if Regulus was smart enough not only to have to have found out Voldemort's secret of horcruxes but also find where one of them was and also get a hold of it and destroy it.

M.

Maybe Harry himself is an involuntary horcrux...just a thought.

remember sirius said that regulus was killed on voldemorts command... maybe it was because he got freeked out by what he had found out and what he had... he left he note in the locket because he knew his master was going to find out and kill him

My instincts are telling me that Harry is carrying a part of Voldie's soul. If he is indeed a Horcrux, perhaps he recieved the better parts of Tom's soul along with his special tallents, such as his Parselmouth abilities. It makes their mind connection so much clearer to me, anyway. Sharing part of a soul does seem like it would give each of them access to either of their minds. We know that Voldemort is now occluding all the time. I think Voldemort has a healthy fear of their connection now.

There is also the fact that the Death Eaters were commanded not to bother with Harry, as was revealed in the end by Snape, and that he was only Voldemort's to deal with. Hmmm... Lucius already brought about the destruction of one Horcrux, maybe Voldie knows now not to let his D.E. deal with the other ones anymore.

As for Harry's sudden urge to visit Godric's Hallow, well, that's where it all began for Harry, really. I don't remember him ever seeing his parents graves, why shouldn't he go?

As for Regulus being the mysterious RAB, Harry owns the Black's ancesteral home and money vault now, perhaps he will find the Horcrux inside one of them... dunno.

This was the message in the fake locket:

To the Dark Lord
I know I will be dead long before you read this
but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret.
I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.
I face death in the hope that when you meet your match,
you will be mortal once more.
R.A.B.

First of all, I think only another Death Eater would address Voldemort as "The Dark Lord".

And besides, I think the person would have to be close to Voldemort, or at least somewhat trusted, to be able to discover a secret as well kept as this one. Unfortunately we don't know what it is exactly the person thought they knew. Did they find out everything? Or just about the locket and what it held?

The person obviously knew they would die for stealing the locket, and so we must assume they are now dead (but by what means is unknown). We know that Voldemort killed Regulus, but not why. Why would JK not explain why, unless there was a greater story behind his death, which we must to discover untill all has begun to be revealed?

Whoever this person is, they believed that destroying the locket would bring Voldemort closer to being mortal again, but we don't know if they actually got around to doing it, or even if they found a way to do it. What if it couldn't be destroyed? Dun-dun-DUN!

We don't even know any details on how Dumbledore destroyed the ring Horcrux, only that he was wearing it at some point (correct me if I'm wrong). Did he absorb the ring into his hand or something? If so, what of the soul inside it then? I find it very suspicious that Dumbledore would not tell Harry anything about it and what it did, or what curse was upon it, considering everything else he was telling Harry about Voldemort and his Horcruxes.

I have this sneaking feeling that Dumbledore knew he was going to die anyway, and was setting it up that in the end when it happened, Harry would be able to carry on his task of destroying Voldemort without him, and because of Snapes vow, that Draco would be spared and given a chance to redeem himself.

And GEEEZE don't even get me going on Snape! Arrrrrgh. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things. *bangs head on keyboard*

Oh well... as you can see I could go on and on about this. lol I think I'll stop here and let everyone have a chance to digest my theories and observations. Sorry for the long post and any spelling mistakes I might have made, I was up late reading. :P

Great post V.S. Black. Sirius actually mentioned having an uncle called Alphard and there seems to be a tradition in wizarding familes in which people's first names become the middle names of their offspring. Therefore, R.A.B. could be Regulus Alphard Black.

Yes, i think it might have been Sirous' cusin (spl) you never know he might have been a double agent like snape, and helped dumbledore find them ... or not

This book makes things very complicated, lots of different possibilitys. And interpritations, the 6th and 7th book is one story split into two, and thats what makes it confuing, because we were left in the middle of a story, and unlike the other books, where harry went back to the dursley's for a summer, this one is left open ended, what will happen to harry? ... he seems to have taken up what Dumbledore was doing, he went around to the important places (the cave, Toms parents house, and possibly mopre places, he had been gone days at a time)

i love this part after a book... its so exciting

*rubs hands together* It's time for the second reading apparently. lol... I'm already forgetting things. :P

i still ahvent digestied the first reading but i think that i am going to look back into my socail like for a day or two and then go back and read it

I dont think the crack in the ring was Dumbledore, it was cracked when Voldemorts grandfather had it as well

Why didnt this RAB get the ring as well? if he knew about the Horcruxes he would know what sort of items to look for. or did he only think he had done it once?

I think the first mention of the crack is when Dumbledore has it. When Marvolo is wearing it, there is not a description of the crack.

The phoenix at the end. Did anyone else think when the tomb went over the body, and Harry thought he saw a bird, that maybe just maybe that Dumbledore had his own Horcrux? COS-
he said that as long as help was needed it would be give to those that were loyal to him. Well, what if Fawkes is Dumbledore's Horcrux?

Ah that is right, he had to have killed, BUT he did defeat the Dark Wizard Grindewald. SO he could have killed him way back then. Dumbledore did not fear death, but he might have created one to have part of himself around to help Harry.

I don't know if Dumbledore would stoop so low as to create a horcrux. And he defeated that wizard a long time ago, even before Voldemort was born.

As for a part of him, he already has his portrait in his office, and who knows where Fawkes went? There might be more to that phoenix too.

M.

There are many that think it/ Fawkes is Godrick Gryffindor.

What do you think would happen if you threw a Horcrux into "the veil" that Sirius fell through?

Do you think when Harry's parents died people sifted though the rubble? If not, Voldemorts dead body might be there, because his body must of died but his soul surevived.

We know that Hagrid sifted through the rubble to get Harry out of there. I would assume that they only went in to recover the bodies for burial.

Well, hopfully we will se in Book 7

Considering it will have been 16 years since voldmorts death, I highly doubt that voldmorts corpse would still be there, even if it had been left there, which I also highly doubt.

I also really doubt any speculation that there is a horcrux at harrys old house, or that voldmort had it with him. Voldmort made a big deal out of hiding his horcruxes, i doubt that he would carry one in his back pocket.

As for Harry being a horcrux, I agree with fuscia that it is not possible, not only because Voldmort did not expect that the avada kedavra spell would backfire, but because the prophecy says " neither can live while the other survives". If Harry tried to kill voldmort, and part of voldmorts soul was still in harry.. well then Harry would have to kill himself, in order to kill voldmort. And if voldmorts soul is in Harry, then Harry living, would make sure that voldmort did survive.. so it would contradict the prophecy. That sounds more like a two for one sale, than an either/ or kind of thing. I highly doubt it would work, and Voldmort said in the 4th book that he put a lot of effort into making the horcurxes. Voldmort didn't even know about Harry until the prophecy, he'd never even seen the boy, nor would the boy have had any historical significance like the locket and the founders items.

Book 5, chapter six, bottom of pg.116

Wish I would have found it first, but I can't take credit for it.

ahhhh, yes I see it now.

Hm, that is interesting.

They never did say if Sirius smashed the locket or what became of it. Kreacher being Harry's new elf could retrieve it for him.

Kreacher might have kept it, like he did so many other tings in his cubourd

and all Harry has to do is Order him to destroy it. MWHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

He could order both dobby and Kretchler to distroy them all and not tell anybody about what they are up to, and not been seen, caught or detected ...

I loved it when Dobby was beating up Kreacher. That was cool. Dobby could just observe.

Hm, I'm also suspicious of Borgin and Burkes. We know that Mr. Burkes was the one that originally bought the locket off of Voldmorts mother, and was the one who sent Tom to Hepzibah, where he first recognized it as the heirloom of Slytherin.

We know that tom stole the locket and the golden hufflepuff cup, and then left the shop. However in the second and sixth book only Mr. Borgin was in the shop. Both men have surnames that begin with B. I wonder if Tom made the mistake of telling Burkes where he was going with the locket, and if it was Burkes who took the locket later on, after all working with him could have shown him just who Tom really was. It could explain the reason why Mr. Burke has not been seen in the present store yet. Also, the store Borgin and Burkes does seem to work very closely with death eaters. Especially after the vanishing cabinet inccident. I think it would be highly likely that at least one of Boring and Burkes is or was a death eater.

Brilliant. That really would explain a lot. I think that will be my favorite theory.

i like that theory too

That would be a reason for Regalus to be killed.

If Voldemort knew what Regulus did, he would make another horcrux, but as far as we know he hasn't. I really doubt Voldemort knows that one of his horcruxes has been destroyed (apart from his diary).

M.

but he wouldn't make another. He wanted his soul split only into 7 parts because that is the most magical number.

Yeah, but then why would the locket and the note still be there? Voldemort wouldn't want someone to know that a horcrux has been destroyed.

M.

Voldemort never got the note, therefore never knew it was taken. Remember Dumbeldore said that Voldemort made the Horcuxes so long ago he no longer fells them, or has a connection with them

ahhh, but maybe Voldmort knew that it wasn't destroyed.

I think it's highly possible that Regulus tried to take the locket, and tried to destroy it, but couldn't. To quote pg 112 in the 5th book. " From what I found out after he died, he got so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out."

Tried to back out of what? Is it possible that he stole the locket, but then chickened out when it came to destrying it? The book never says that Voldmort asked him to do anything.. simply that someone asked him to do something. Is it possible that after he died, the family which was dedicated to Voldmort offered to keep the locket safe in return for what their son did when he betrayed the dark lord? And if so then it wouldnt have been nessecary for voldmort to go and find the note. In fact it probably would have been safer to leave it there, so as to trick anyone that was trying to find it... like Dumbledore and Harry.

(remember that UK and US copies have different pages)

Good point

I also think that number 12 Grimmauld place, is very important.. more important than just being headquarters of the order.

Something no one has brought up, at least I don't think anyone has yet, to get to the locket and successfully get it, you need TWO people. R.A.B. had to have had a helper-or perhaps a servant

Its been mentioned beofre, i think the person who mentioned it thought Krechler ... but possibly someone else. Harry can now make Krechler tell him stuff about the deatheaters as well.

I think you may be right about B & B. Notice that she has NEVER metioned either of their first names. Perhaps it was also a grude for Voldie stealing Hepizbahs stuff. You just never know with JKR.

IF you were Voldie, where would you hide the other horcruxes?

AND an odd though. Dementors can suck out a soul, so it would have to be someplace that a dementor could not get it. I will go on record as saying that at least one part of Voldies soul will be devoured by a dementor.

That would be awesome. How about Harry feeds the last part of Voldemort's soul that is inside him to a dementor? I can just see a dementor and Voldemort engaged in a liplock.

M.

Thats an interesting thought, but arn't Dementors drawn to happiness, not the soul itself?

Yes but they also suck all happiness out of you, without kissing.

Voldemort knows happiness in a twisted way. He derives happiness at the expense of others. Finding a soul just away from the body would be an easy snack.

You are also talking about Dementors, they dont look for souls, they look for happiness, and the soul segmants have been away from volde that he doesnt feel them, and they arnt apart from him

Whats the point in sucking Voles soul? he has no happines, it would just be left with sadness anyway ... i wonder what would happen if volde gets kissed by a dementor (apart from it being his first kiss and its not killing him is it ...

If you are soulless, then you are just a shell. That would be a horrible existence. I seriously doubt that Voldie has marked his horcruxes as "property of Lord Voldemort". So how would a dementor know whos soul it is.

I can just imagine the horcruxes being marked as "Property of Lord Voldemort, chairman of Death Eaters, Ltd."

(For the ignorant, England has companies register as Ltd. instead of Inc.)

M.

Now M, it would also have to say
"Property of Lord Voldemort, heir of Salazar Slytherin, most powerful wizard in the world* too.


note- Lord Voldemort has yet to defeat Harry Potter, but he is confident that he will sometime in the future.

I received a pm from a very nice person who has not posted yet in the forum. This person thinks that the last horcrux is Harry. Well, I respectfully disagree. Harry can not be the last horcrux. A horcrux is made with deliberation. Harry must destroy the last horcrux before he can kill Voldemort, so unless he can kill himself then kill Voldie from the grave, he can not be it.

You know, I think... perhaps Voldemort DID deliberate turning Harry into a Horcrux.

The prophecy... if you think about it... if Voldy heard that... perhaps he thought his best bet was to turn his arch nemesessi... messi... nemesis... into a Horcrux. That way, he'd know that the only way for them to destroy Voldemort would be to kill Harry... and ta-da, you have Voldemort's motive for doing so.

Just an idea, though.

Well, remember that "Scar" is supposed to be the very last word. Maybe the scar is finally gone, because it's destroyed.

I just don't see Harry dying at the end of this series.

How would he destroy the scar and not himself? I just don't think that Voldie could have done it. He went there intending to kill Harry, not make him into a horcrux. If Harry had died, then the horcrux/Harry would have been no good.

That's what I'm talking about... I just don't see how it could be him, or the scar, because it would have to destroy him... unless she's really got something sneaky up her sleeve.

I think that the scar will go away once Voldie dies because the link between the two will be broken.

That's what I think too... I've said that for a very long time.

But, there is the possibility that it will always be there, as a reminder of what he went through.

I just think the idea of Harry being a Horcrux shouldn't be discounted. I mean, it just makes sense that Voldemort could make a Horcrux of Harry, knowing that he's the only one with the power to vanquish him.

Though I'd dearly hope that if it ends up true, they can find a way to destroy the horcrux without, like, killing Harry and that.

But if Harry is one of those Horsenuts things, then if Voldie killed Harry, wouldn't Voldie get jacked up too?

-HECK!

No .. .all the Horcux's have to be destroyed ... if harry distroyed them all but then got killed ... someone else would be able to kill Voldie, but he wouldnt die because of it ... he still holds a part of his soul

The problem with that is that Harry is the one (the only one? Hmmm) with the power to vanquish the dark lord, like the prophecy says.

thats only if they follow the prophecy ... if they both turn away and ignore the prophcy then it wont come true

They wouldn't ignore the prophecy, though. Harry WANTS to kill Voldemort.

Does he? Does he really want to kill? OK he hates him because he kille everyone harry's ever loved, but he is full of love.

Hehehe well, I think he does... Really, really, really does