Quick reference guide. Inreview members for or against the WAR in IRAQ. |
| Posted by: Whidden | | Drop in this thread and say if you support the war or are against it, and you will be added to the list, which will be updated from time to time.
It's not a contest to see which side gets more votes, but rather a quick reference guide for new members to see who thinks what.
You will NOT be added to the list, unless you say you want to be added in this thread.
If you do not fall in either category, we will make up a new category for you.
These Inreview members support the war in Iraq and think it is justified:
1. Whidden
2. Larke2000
3. Sayzak
4. Curley Joe
5. Flying Panda
6. Becker
7. Delta
8. Advance
9. Heavens11
10. Edward Teach
These Inreview members support the war, but have serious misgivings about how it is being waged:
These Inreview members don't agree with why the War was started, but want us to stay and do the job right, now that we are there:
Brochu13
EleanorRigby
These Inreview members support the SOLDIERS, but not the war, because they have serious doubts about the administration's motives for engaging in the war:
1. Sierradaddy
2. Shadow Stalker
3. Heck!
4. Fuscia
5. Jim Nasium
6. Spaliznad
These Inreview members say "You made your bed, now lie in it!"
1. Sowhatsthetruth
These Inreview members DO NOT support the war in Iraq and believe it is unjustified:
1. hazel dragoneye
2. Inner City Blue
Does not support the war but thinks that McDonald's french fries r gud.
1. Dekka00
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | I've been unclear as to how I feel now that the war is going on, so I'm going to go with "have serious misgivings". I feel that the war shouldn't have been started, but since it's already underway and apparently WON, I'd have to say that the SOLDIERS deserve our support, but the government that sent them have caused me to have "serious misgivings".
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| Posted by: fuscia | | I support the soldiers, but I think it is time to pull out. We got rid of Sadam, and the problem now is that every jhiadist is looking at our boys as a soft target. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | You leave now and a vaccum is created for someone worse than SH.
Take responsibility for creating the vaccum and hope to hell that the next US imposed leader of Iraq like SH is better, but don't count on it.
And again, it's the Iraqi people's country...let them do what they want. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Larke2000 | | whidden, you know me. 
i support the war and think it's justified. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sayzak | | HMMM... where does Sayzak go? (humming to self)...
Put me...
*pause*
(pacing back and forth)
*beeds of sweat*
With Larke and whidden. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | | Well, lemme see… … … … … … umm, count me in with Larke and Whidden. (Shocking isn't it?) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: brochu13 | | I don't agree with the reason we are in there. However, now that we are we have to stay the whole time and get the job done. I want to see this done right since apparently it was worth doing at all. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | Aight, I am adding as we go along, if I miss-word your intentions, let me know, and I can change it to more accurately describe how you feel.
It's a lot more complicated than just "for" or "against", aint it?
I pm'd Fuscia for an update about where she wants to be added, waiting on that,
and SWTT had a reply but I'm not sure where she wants to go on the list, if she wants to be put on there at all.
(For right now, I will put her down as an unabashed Bush supporter, who is in love with Dick Cheney and thinks the war in Iraq is cool.) <---------100% j/k | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | Seems to me that fuscia would probably best be listed with Brochu, but let's wait and see if I'm right... (Fuscia, don't change now, just to make me look bad... ) | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: flying panda | | Im pritty much for the Invation ... But half think it was for oil, and half think it was to get a couple of bad men out of the country ... where do i fit  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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Whidden said this in post #11 :
and SWTT had a reply but I'm not sure where she wants to go on the list, if she wants to be put on there at all.
There is no option above that would fit my take on it.
(For right now, I will put her down as an unabashed Bush supporter, who is in love with Dick Cheney and thinks the war in Iraq is cool.) <---------100% j/k
There is only one word or concept that I like in the above sentence. Starts with a "d". 
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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flying panda said this in post #13 :
Im pritty much for the Invation ... But half think it was for oil, and half think it was to get a couple of bad men out of the country ... where do i fit |
well, if you support it and think it's justified (morally correct, etc.) it doesnt' matter why, if's it for oil or the other, to remove Saddam.
You would go in the first category, or we can make one up for you, I don't care, I'm easy. 
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Whidden,
Sign me up for the "You made your bed now lie in it" category, how's that?  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: flying panda | | *Thinks and scratches head and other parts for a while ...*
I guess i support the "war" / invation | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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flying panda said this in post #18 :
*Thinks and scratches head and other parts for a while ...*
I guess i support the "war" / invation |
aight, I added you bubba, you are in with the cool people now.
(Joke, 100% joke)
If you change your mind later, we can always move you to another category.
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| Posted by: flying panda | | might as well put me in every category now and save time (Joke) then im sure to be with the cool people , im just waiting for them to turn up ... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: becker | | I support this war and any war we get into that will make more nations into a democracy. Iraq will prove to be a brilliant strategy for our administration.
Free nations and freedom from tyranny lends motivation for people to grow into self improvement. The US is a prime example of how rapidly a country grows where there is freedom.
So is Israel.
Iran will be sore pressed to start anything with a free Iraq on their border.
Israel has already been armed with "Smart bombs" by the US.
I totally support Bush and his agenda.
Libya has already thrown in the towel.
Terrorists will fade if the countries that support them decide it will be invaded by our wonderful country.
We are the guardians of the entire world along with Great Britain.
I am grateful that Bush is our leader. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | ummmm I don't like being categorized but what the hey
put me under "I do not support the war" | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jim Nasium | | you can list me with sierradaddy, heck, fuscia and shadow stalker. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Delta | |
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Curley Joe said this in post #8 :
Well, lemme see… … … … … … umm, count me in with Larke and Whidden. (Shocking isn't it?) |
Count Del.ta i with Larke, Whidden and Beck.And Curley Joe
We might not agree on many issues but we must finish what we started.
Our troops can not come home until the Iraqi people are trained to fend for themselves.
How can this now become an issue? Beats me.
Any one read my post on how we are training these Iraqi people? Guess not.
Its bettee to educate theself then blow bubbles in the wind.
Sincerely
Delta
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| Posted by: Delta | |
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becker said this in post #21 :
I support this war and any war we get into that will make more nations into a democracy. Iraq will prove to be a brilliant strategy for our administration.
Free nations and freedom from tyranny lends motivation for people to grow into self improvement. The US is a prime example of how rapidly a country grows where there is freedom.
So is Israel.
Iran will be sore pressed to start anything with a free Iraq on their border.
Israel has already been armed with "Smart bombs" by the US.
I totally support Bush and his agenda.
Libya has already thrown in the towel.
Terrorists will fade if the countries that support them decide it will be invaded by our wonderful country.
We are the guardians of the entire world along with Great Britain.
I am grateful that Bush is our leader. |
Wow Beck you took the words right out of my own mouth.
Oh its so nice to have you speak for me and others of the cool group
Delta
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| Posted by: Spaliznad | | I could probably say a lot here, but I won't.
I do not support the war.
I do not support the administration.
I do support the soldiers. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | I want to thank peeps for dropping in,
when new people show up, they can get an idea of who is thinking what.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EleanorRigby | | i am against all war although i realize that sometimes war is necessary. the iraq war is not necessary. i do not support bush, his administration, or this war. i think that anybody outside of iraq doesn't truly know what the iraqi people need. but i also think that now we are fighting over there, we better finish the job and finish it well, because we were the ones who started this war.
i am a confused individual. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | EleanorRigby,
It sounds like you are in the category I chose, the "You made your bed now lie in it category" perhaps??? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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EleanorRigby said this in post #29 :
i am against all war although i realize that sometimes war is necessary. the iraq war is not necessary. i do not support bush, his administration, or this war. i think that anybody outside of iraq doesn't truly know what the iraqi people need. but i also think that now we are fighting over there, we better finish the job and finish it well, because we were the ones who started this war.
i am a confused individual. |
I put you under the "These Inreview members don't agree with why the War was started, but want us to stay and do the job right, now that we are there: "
I can always move you later, if you want.
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | Isn't support for the soldiers a given?
I thought this war was unjustified from the beginning, middle, and whenever the end comes. I don't understand the separation of supporting the soldiers though, I have family over there, I've seen a friend buried, and I've had friends who've been there but are now back, so the whole "misgivings" part, I always thought they were lying and thought the military action was unjustified, but you better sure as hell know that I support the troops, I almost joined the Reserves before I saw the results of the 2000 election, and then I knew we were going to Iraq.
So I guess you can put me down on either the list with Sierradaddy or Dekka because I really don't know where I fall. Would misgivings fall under "completely unjustified" too? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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Inner City Blue said this in post #32 :
Isn't support for the soldiers a given?
I thought this war was unjustified from the beginning, middle, and whenever the end comes. I don't understand the separation of supporting the soldiers though, I have family over there, I've seen a friend buried, and I've had friends who've been there but are now back, so the whole "misgivings" part, I always thought they were lying and thought the military action was unjustified, but you better sure as hell know that I support the troops, I almost joined the Reserves before I saw the results of the 2000 election, and then I knew we were going to Iraq.
So I guess you can put me down on either the list with Sierradaddy or Dekka because I really don't know where I fall. Would misgivings fall under "completely unjustified" too? |
Uh, I dunno. It's so complicated, I didn't want to put people in a little box and not let them out, so many of those are what they made up on thier own,
aka, SWTT's "you made your bed, now lie in it".
I will add you under Dekka, then later if you want to be moved,
or if you want to make up your own "description", I can do that also. 
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | put me under "Does not support the war but thinks that McDonald's french fries r gud." | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | |
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Dekka00 said this in post #34 :
put me under "Does not support the war but thinks that McDonald's french fries r gud." |
Done.
And I can change it back to whatever you want, when you sober up. I'm easy. 
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| Posted by: flying panda | | i love being [edit], in fact im in rather tipsy myself ... Mcy D's is pritty good ... Yes i think thats a good idea, wont tell you what tho 
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| Posted by: Advance | | Although, I havent been here for a while, I am still as american, more republican and for the Iraq war as I ever was. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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Advance said this in post #37 :
Although, I havent been here for a while, I am still as american, more republican and for the Iraq war as I ever was. |
Glad to hear you're still ejoying it.
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| Posted by: Edward Teach | | Well now let's see, I supported the war from the get go. I think though that not finding WMD, doesn't mean that Saddam didn't have the intent. After all, he had the scientist, the technology, the means and the precursor agents. I mean he had Dr. Death and Dr. Germ. AND he used it in the past which means that he doesn't care who he hurts.
Just like the Iraqi lady that said we found the ultimate WMD called Saddam.
Have you seen the commercial done by the Iraqi Kurds? That's all I need to see to support us being there. Funny how most of the Iraqi's are happy we did what we did and it seems that nobody cares what they think.
The Iraqi's aren't trying to throw us out. They are not up at the UN saying get the Americans out. So as long as they want us there then we need to stay and protect them the best we can. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Whidden | | I saw the Kurd commercial. The "other" Iraq.
I thought it was cool.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Inner City Blues | | I know this thread is old, but I hate seeing statements like this:
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| think though that not finding WMD, doesn't mean that Saddam didn't have the intent. |
That is the worst thing I've ever read. You don't invade a country and cause the deaths of thousands just because you think you know someone's intent. I don't shoot some kid five years before he turn sixteen because I think his intent is to become a criminal, it's wrong. You can't just attack someone with no evidence.
And for all the talk about spreading freedom and democracy to the Middle East....what about Saudi Arabia? What about Pakistan? What about Kuwait? What about United Arab Emirates? What about alsom every Middle Eastern country that the US is a strong ally of. It is complete bull and you are lying to yourself if you actually believe the invasion of Iraq has anything to do with freedom and democracy. So what are you left with? No weapons, no terrorists (you made more actually), no democracy...why is the US in Iraq.
My cousin works for an oil company in another country, it seems that now everything is controlled by Halliburton (and they're stealing from our treasury), so what is the reason for being in Iraq? What is the reason for having Chase Manhatten take oaver the banks there? What is the reason for not having Iraqi companies rebuilding infrastructure (they did that after WWII so don't make the comparison)?
I don't think there is any rational reason for invading Iraq and I think people just don't want ot see the truth, at least the hardcore supporters. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: A. Feengurstinx | | The war in Iraq is a complete waste because democracy and sharia law cannot mix.
The only think Muslims can decide democratically is who is going to oppress who.
Democracy ends with elections. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USMC_Sniper | | I support the war completely. Just cuz we didn't find and chemical or biological weapons doesn't mean he didn't have any. WMDs can be destroyed.
Oh... Mcdonald's fries are so good. One of the first things I did when I got back from my last tour was gorge myself on fries. 11 months of MREs everyday... that was the best meal in the world. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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USMC_Sniper said this in post #45 :
I support the war completely. Just cuz we didn't find and chemical or biological weapons doesn't mean he didn't have any. |
We know where the WMD are, said Rumsfeld, before the US attacked Iraq. Mushroom clouds, 9/11, Al Qaeda etc. Anything can be "true", and of "course the people don't want war" but "it's always a simple matter to drag the people along..."
You were duped, lied to and steamrollered into believing the US needed to attack Iraq. It's a truth you're going to have to one day swallow.
Is Cheney still making the claim that the worse it gets in Iraq the better we're doing because it just shows how desperate they are?
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| WMDs can be destroyed. |
Or can be used to convince people a country needs to be attacked.
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"... and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials |
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| Posted by: USMC_Sniper | | H@ts-
Maybe you've been duped by the media. If you haven't noticed, the only thing that the news reports is tragedy and destruction. You never hear about the good things that happen in the world; only the bad. This leads to you and your simple mind to believe things that might not be true. You have been duped by the liberal media's propaganda. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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USMC_Sniper said this in post #47 :
H@ts-
Maybe you've been duped by the media. |
Funny that you claim I've been duped, seeing as the stuff I believed, and read about, ie - that there was no WMD, Saddam's neighbours did not see Iraq as a threat, there were no ties to Al Qaeda, no ties to Islamic terrorism, etc etc - all turned out true. Meanwhile everything you believed turned out to be BS, and you didn't see it because you couldn't be bothered to look. You were duped so easily by the Bush admin's BS that I doubt you can even admit to yourself what happened, and no doubt you never will.
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| If you haven't noticed, the only thing that the news reports is tragedy and destruction. You never hear about the good things that happen in the world; only the bad. This leads to you and your simple mind to believe things that might not be true. You have been duped by the liberal media's propaganda. |
A tired old conservative argument - pin the blame onto the "liberal" media, who only report the "bad" stuff.
Truth is bad foreign policy is bad foreign policy. Dress it up however you want, but in nearly all respects much of Iraq is a disaster, and Bush is using yet another surge to continue the war until he leaves office, so he'll never have to admit responsibility for the quagmire he created.
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | I'm with h@ts on this one. I never felt like it was a good idea to begin with, going to war with Iraq over WMD's, POSSIBLE al-queda connections (when the Taliban and bin Laden were centralized and hiding in AFGHANISTAN...), etc... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | And yet when every single reason has been rebuffed, every piece of logic knocked on its ass we still cannot even get a timetable withdrawl. Mind boggling.
-HECK! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USMC_Sniper | | Regardless of if you believe that the war is just or not the fact is this. It happened and we are there; and we are going to be there for years. If we were to pullout, there would be some serous consuequences. The death toll would spike as full out war and genocide would spread like wildfire across Iraq. Then one side would gain dominance over the others. Then some bloodthirst leader would rise to power and would brutally suppress the others. Either Sunni over Shi'a or vice verse but the Kurds would be suppressed regardless and Iraq would be in no better shape than it was before the war.
I am fighting this war for the rights and freedom of the Iraqi People. The same right that you and I have. The same rights that allow you to criticize me for helping others obtain these rights.
And so I will continue to fight for freedom so long as my fellow marines are in Iraq and across the world.
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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USMC_Sniper said this in post #51 :
Regardless of if you believe that the war is just or not the fact is this. It happened and we are there; and we are going to be there for years. If we were to pullout, there would be some serous consuequences. The death toll would spike as full out war and genocide would spread like wildfire across Iraq. Then one side would gain dominance over the others. Then some bloodthirst leader would rise to power and would brutally suppress the others. Either Sunni over Shi'a or vice verse but the Kurds would be suppressed regardless and Iraq would be in no better shape than it was before the war.
I am fighting this war for the rights and freedom of the Iraqi People. The same right that you and I have. The same rights that allow you to criticize me for helping others obtain these rights.
And so I will continue to fight for freedom so long as my fellow marines are in Iraq and across the world.
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I agree with you there. I can shake my fist at the administration for getting us in this debacle but it's not going to do any good. The past election and popularity ratings speak volumes in that regard.
Now we just have to support our troops and honor their sacrifices and bravery. I may not be a Dubya supporter but I sure as hell support my country and our troops without exception.
I just feel that it's almost a self-serving argument in that the adminstration gives false information to get us over there (or lies, depending on how you see it) and justifies a prolonged conflict by basically saying it will cause more of a disaster to leave. It's like saying I can't clean up this broken glass because I'm going to break it more.
The thing about the Middle East is there will always be someone who will lead the radical Muslims, ascend to power and follow in the footsteps of all those before him. By no means am I saying we just pack up and go because of the inevitibility of the situation, I'm saying that if we are going to stay there until we are sure Iraq and the surrounding area will be peaceful, democratic and love America then we will never leave.
The debate to stay is a circular argument, the proverbial snake swallowing its own tail.
While I see we've gone from hunting Bin Laden to hunting WMD's to giving democracy to Iraq it really makes me step back and take note that not only did we encourage Saddam's rise to power we supported him and turned a deaf ear to the 'war crimes' he committed because at the time he was the lesser of two evils.
I find this entire mission over glorified and it needs to come to an end.
-HECK!
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