What to Black man is 4th of July?

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Everyone should read this prophetic speech by Fredrick Douglass before they barbecue and watch another bias,romanticize, Holloywood produce version of some war where Black people's contribution is deleted.


just the FACTS:

".... What to the Black Man is your 4th of July?... To Blacks your celebration is a SHAM; your boasted liberty an unholy license; your national greatness swelling VANITY; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and HEARTLESS; your shouts of liberty and eqality hollow mockery;.... your sermons are FRAUD, DECEPTION; impiety and HYPOCRISY- a thin veil to cover crime which would disgrace any sovereign nation......"

well umm.. we're American, and July 4th is the American Independence day... so it kind of makes sense for Black Americans to celebrate July 4th...

I agree Dekka...

Though Im gonna try and see if I can maybe look within the lines of what Malcolm is trying to say (since he wont come out and just say it).

Malcolm, are you talking about perhaps the blacks and their service in the armed forces?

I mean Douglass died in 1895...and I can see why he saw things that way back then...even in WWII things were that way...but again, times have changed since then. There are museums devoted to the blacks and their heroics in the wars.

At the St. Louis Airport, they have an entire wall devoted to the blacks and their service..it was hand painted..very cool looking BTW.

Malcolm, Im beginning to get the feeling that you are stuck in another era and havent quite reached the present.

I realize (as Im sure everyone does) that this happened back then...but its not like that anymore. People dont separate black vs. any other race in the service like that in terms of recognition.

Seems to me that you keep separating yourself from people more than people do to you.

It only took 4 posts in this thread to bring up the JEWS again.

What would you suggest as a plausible course of action that would lead to a beneficial situation for everyone involved, Malcolm?

It's a tough question, but you seem up to it.

the next time a white person introduces himself with "yo yo yo yo yo waddup man" I am going to reply with "howdy partner"

Add a "YEHAW!" to it too

aye! will do

http://www.inreview.com/showthread....=371#post458503

I guess your not black enough Dekka. Sorry man.

Wow...... deep Malcolm. So the reason Dekka gets all the same rights and freedoms as the white man is because he's brain washed. You're oppressed and victimized because you can see the truth.

Why don't you stop complaining so much and do something with your life? Perhaps then you won't feel the need to constantly blame your own short comings on other people.

I haven't actually seen you say anywhere exactly what kind of racism you've encountered personally, but to be perfectly honest, if you weren't chained to a fence and whipped till your skin was red and raw, I don't want to hear about it.

Do you do poorly in school, and you think its because you're black? Or the time mcdonalds told you they didn't have any more pepper sachets, you figured because the old white woman behind the counter thought you were going to rob her, because that's what all white people think when they see a black person, isn't it?

Have you been picked on once or twice in your life like the other few billion people in the world? It happens. Sometimes because of race, sometimes because of age, your height, your build, because you wear glasses, your freakin' hair and eye colour even. Have you never picked on someone yourself because you saw they were a little bit different to you? That little fat girl in your class? Kids are kids, they tease, and adults are just sometimes ********. That's life, get used to it.

Are you finding it hard to get into college? Because it isn't easy. They're not just going to say, hey, come on in, we want everyone. No, they want the best and brightest. Study and work hard, and you'll be amazed at what you can accomplish.

Stay positive, smile, and the world doesn't seem so harsh.

Personally, I can't stop smiling. We here in Canada didn't need to go to war over human rights. We didn't need to kill a large chunk of our population over a human rights issue. Today, we don't openly attack others because they are different.

But back in the day, i got called the n word more than enough. In fact, a christian white family came to stay at my family's home for a regional conference, and their little girl called me the n word right in front of her parents, like it was common-place in their household. I was about 13 then, so I laughed it off and dismissed it as a dumb kid not understanding what they were saying. Today, I consider the possibility that it was something that was generally practiced within their family, and I come to a crossroads in how I'd choose to deal with it:

1. Get annoyed and angry at the family, believing that they are racist and crude individuals that didn't deserve my family's hospitality.

2. Forget about it as a figment of the past, and an event that is beneath my dwelling upon it. I take back the power that someone tried to remove from my possession in their attempt to upset me.

You could say that #2 is the "christian" thing to do. For me, it's just the "better" thing to do, and the more selfish thing as well, cuz I like having power. It makes me feel powerful.. And that keeps me smiling.

That's too bad S.D., I have this view of Canada, that they are real tolerant, but racism exists in every country at some level.

You are more forgiving than me, I would have give them the cold shoulder.

I got called "Jew-boy" a lot in Elementary School, (dumb kids!), cause of keeping the seventh day sabbath.

You seen my pic, I don't look Jewish at all, but I thought it was cooler than **** being called that, because I was into the bible story's and was always taught a great respect for the Jews in church.

So, even though they was ragging on me, I found it something postive. But I wasn't very happy with those punks. I made onto high school with them, and never did try to make any kind of friendship with them.

I guess I still got a grudge over it to tell the truth. Shoot, they was just some stupid kids.

What would Jesus do?

Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. Acts 10:34

For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:11

Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good anyone does, he will receive the same from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free.
And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. Romans 6: 5 - 9

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

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He would say, "Run to me. I am your Protector and Provider. Vengeance is mine says Yahweh."

I'm black. Therefore my views are the view of a black man. Anything I read is something that a black man reads, anything that I write is Black writing. Anything that I listen to is music that a black man listens to, any music that I make is Black music.

You telling me what I am supposed to believe, and then telling me I am not black because I see things differently, is like when the Neocons tell me that I am un-American because I hate Bush and what he is doing to my country.

It's absurd.

If you had to label me, it would be 'white'. But my mother spent a few years growing up in the dirty South with a Jewish step-mother and had a cross burned on their lawn by those chaps with the pointy white hats. My mom always said the 'n' word was worse than the 'f' word and raised me accordingly.

While it's human nature to immediately identify differences in others and stay near people that look similar, I like to think my blinders have been turned off in that regard. I see people for people. So, I find it hard to believe that a significant percentage of black people spit on the 4th of July.

What happened with slavery was horrible, and yes, racism is still alive and well. In the bar I kick it at, there are a few dudes there that I talk to, and I might be friends with them if they didn't fling the 'n' word around all the time. It's sad, really.

But celebrating our nation's birth is an American thing, not a race thing. Plain and simple.

-HECK!

Malcom, it's pretty ignorant of you to assume that because I'm white I have not been affected by racism. Quite the contrary. I would never assume that it's on par with what a minority goes through, but it still stings.

And the word 'honkey' doesn't bother me. Anything made up by George Jefferson makes me laugh.

To be honest, a lot of people's ancestors went through a bunch of crap. It's sad, horrible, and should never be forgotten. But you're waging a war of words fueled with the pain of people who turned to dust long ago. The healing began before you were born. Join us, won't you?

-HECK!

What I find puzzling is why Malcom thinks he alone knows what a black person should be. God made every person unique. How boring would it be in the world if everone was alike. There are many types of people. To tell Dekka that he is not black is subjecting him to limits that you are imposing upon him. How is that advancing the cause?

malcolm, where I grew up (Northern Virginia), there was very little racism against blacks besides white kids trying to be "black" to be cool.

I got harassed by police from time to time, but plenty of my white friends did too, so I'm not sure how much race had to do with that.




There WAS racism, but is was directed by both black and white people against Mexicans.

I mean, you're sitting here trying to tell me that I'm oppressed when I know I'm not. You're making something out of nothing.



My grandpa owned a small business in Upstate New York way back in the day. It was burned down multiple times by the KKK and finally he gave up.

but that was two generations ago.



when my mom was growing up she experienced racism, not violent, but she would get bad or no service in restaurants and such. Plus she was poor and had to join the Army because she could not get a degree (even though she made all A's in community college).

But the Civil Rights movement progressed, and with it a lot of racism disappeared. And that is what you fail to understand.

Maybe you have experienced a lot of racism, and that is why you view things the way you do.

Please share. Don't quote statistics, share some personal experiences where the white man has held you down (if it has actually happened).

Racism is concrete: it's the hatred of another human because of their skin color.

The only thing that has evolved is the definition of racism; it keeps getting broader and broader so that now one can't judge Martin Luther King's children even by "by the content of their character" without being accused of racism anyway.
YOu spoke out against Rice and Powell in an earlier post, and why not, they are evidence that black people who go to school and work hard for what they want can get it. Your only response to this evidence is to discredit them and say they aren't really black! It's racism to stereotype what is black and what isnt! Black is a skin color, and nothing more ... don't attribute behavior to skin color, or else you ruin MLK's dream.

You know what Malcolm....

We are all assuming you are Black.
I am not convinced that you are Black....
I don't recall any time in the 9-11 forum or this one that you actually stated that
you are Black....
and when confronted with why you are an angry Black man feeling oppressed in the USA...
you dodge any and all questions.

and for that matter, you live in the UK, do you not?
Why are you starting up crap about the USA?

The only thing I do know about you is that you [warning: euphemism coming up] have a problem with Jews and you are Islamic....

Also, you write like many of the Arab Palestinian backers in the Israeli forum...you write with an accent....and it's not ebonics and it's not British.

What am I to deduce from these observations???

Set me straight, or I will contintue to believe my suspicions.

I was under the impression that malcolm xx is descended from Black Americans and is currently residing in Britain. I imagine he is 16-17, maybe 18 years old.


malcolm xx: please tell your story

malcolm asked:

Yes I'm aware of the story of the 5 year old. That was not racism brainiac. That was an issue of a child who was completely out of control, whose parent was unavailable for contact, of school administrators at the end of their rope with no other option. Of police who simply abided by the laws on the books. The child was not processed into the criminal system for her behavior. She was cuffed, placed in the back of a squad car and released to her parents' care when they were notifed and arrived at the scene.

Question: What happens if a teacher beats a student?
Answer: They go to jail and lose their job.

Question: What happens if a student repeatedly assaults their teacher, principal and any school staff members within their reach?
Answer: They get treated the way the teachers would in the same scenario.

You seem to be avoiding the question implied to you, why are you a racist? You scream discrimination and wrongdoing against only blacks and feel offended that other ethnic groups should be sympathized with over their equally, if not worse plights. Why?

For being a proponant of anti-discrimination, pro-segregation and anti-racism you certainly seem to ignore the fact that in order to become such a person, you must be willing to denounce the misstreatment of all races...even those outside your own.

And please, by all means post this speech you've derived your hatred and scowling from. I find it interesting that you interpret such as those who interpret the speeches of terrorist leaders, thereby justifying their actions of murder and mayhem. By all means, enlighten us.

Handcuffing children of any race for behavioral issues and putting them in the backseat of a police car

I have seen the video....

Did she threaten anyone's life? No
Did she wield a weapon? No
Did she even say "My daddy is gonna kick your ass teacha? No

Instead of girls gone wild, this is a case of cops gone wild.

Next, they will be putting seclusion rooms in all the public schools complete with four or five point restraints.

Yeah I saw the video of the girl jumping onto furniture, ripping stuff off the wall, etc.
I didn't see her actually punching or kicking the teacher though.
The teacher was behind a desk practically trying to stay out of her way.

I was a Sunday School teacher assistant at a church for a while.
They bussed in kids from the projects and other areas.
I remember dealing with a similar almost exact kid, a boy about 7 years old.

When he started punching the other kids and kicking the teacher I took him and
I held him and hugged him and whispered in his ear, "Jesus loves you. I love you sweetie. Calm down." etc etc
And I got quite a few bruises out of it, but after awhile of this, he calmed down and I could just hold him. And after that he didn't hit any of the others for the rest of the day. But every Sunday I had to do the same thing for him.

Now, I don't know if a school could do this type of thing, or not, but what I do know is that there are other options than calling the cops, handcuffing and traumatizing her with a ride in the back of a cop car.

The teacher did a piss poor job and had no skills whatsoever and should have not been in charge of this girls detention or whatever she was in.

I don't even have children, but I have been an out of control and violent child myself and all I did when confronted with such a kid was do what I knew I would have needed or wanted in such a situation.

SWTT, your response was a wonderful way to defuse the situation. Unfortunately teachers and admin staff in public schools have been hit with so many lawsuits and new rules of conduct and procedure, that even restraining the child in a hug until they calmed down would likely result in the teacher's termination and a charge of assault. I'm positive that the choice to involve police was a last resort.

I feel I must add my own thoughts to this. Being British I have no special thoughts or feelings about July 4th however what I have to say is my feelings about what Malcolm xx has said on the whole thoughout this thread.

Now I realise I know nothing of American politics or the way of life in the states but I have never known anyone come across as so biased or racist as Malcolm xx. In the few threads I have seen him write in his views have seemed extreamly one-sided and he seems ignorant of other peoples views.

It was my understanding that those who accuse people on a whole as being discriminating and racist are often racist themselves. I do not believe that the world discriminates agains Black-americans or whatever, I believe that we are all born equal.

I am Atheist and do not believe in anytype of god but I'm not going to go out and try and stop people living their lives as they want to. Everybody has different views on the world and your not going to agree with everyone, so theres no point in trying to change other peoples views.

Malcolm xx said this in post #59

It is very unfair of you to judge me by what happened to that man. I am only one person, I can't control what the police do. I live in Portsmouth for pete-sake, I have nothing to do with London and absolutly NOTHING to do with the death of the innocent man.

Do you honestly believe that people in Britain were happy with what happened to that man?! Do you think that we all just ignored what happened or that we thought it was justified?!

It was a horrible thing and nobody was happy with what happened. I don't know anybody personally who thought that what the police did was justified.

You cannot judge an entire country on one incident. If you do then it just proves you own ignorance.

SD, you brought up the questions we all are wondering. WHY was this child so out of control? Why didn't her parents discipline her and teach her that hitting is wrong?

Malcolm, this one is really about parenting not race.

What about parenting differences between races,?

Didn't Bill Cosby get into a flap because he said that some black people didn't make their kids mind?

ive heard people say that black people dont care if their kids break rules and run riet (spl)

Untrue. My parents cared. Correction: CARE. They still try to set us straight when we don't do things the way they would prefer we did them.

There ARE black parents that don't care as much, but that holds true for all races. My parents cared a lot, but my older sister doesn't care at all, it seems, and she's got two kids. Different strokes for different invididual folks...

ok i generalised there, some black people dont respect others, and teach there kids not to care, but someof the problem has to lie with the parents ... theres some where no matter what the parents do they won't get through. But in lots the parents dont try hard enough to stop kids offending

I am really aghast that people are freaked out by children who hit....has everyone been living under a rock for golly sakes?

People get freaked out for all kinds of reasons that don't make sense to me. I'm far too easy-going, I guess, than most people. Maybe something's wrong with my brain and my emotional wiring is fudged up, making me more mellow than is clinically acceptable...

Well, SDaddy, can you accept the fact that children hit at times?
Sometimes, at the most inopportune moments.

When I was at the gov agency today, someones' child grabbed my leg and started hugging....I was more freaked out by that than if she had hit me.
Yeah, my freakin' wiring is completely messed up, ok?

I can accept that fact, but if the hitting is extreme, and the behaviour can't be controlled, one starts to ask questions about what brought such a young and supposedly innocent child to that brink.

It would have been nice had they been so concerned about me doing the same around that age.....
Instead I was put into athletics and excelled tremendously at them for the simple fact that it was a channel for my hostility, anger, and aggression.

By the age of 5 a kid should not be hitting. They also should have respect for authority figures.