the saddest part of HBP..........

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all talk of the saddest part of HPB must go in this thread.

Hands down, it was when Dumbledore died. Harry lost his mentor and the closest thing to a grandparent he will ever have.

So you finished it then

Yes. I got it this morning. It took me 6 1/2 hours, but I was reading slow for a change.

I had to read mine in bits...I had to go to work, so i was reading chapters without being noticed ^_^

You know, the death of Dumbledore and the (seeming) moral collapse of Severus Snape were sad. I bawled and weeped and cried. Harry's pain, Hermione and Ron clinging to each other in grief, even the most powerful wizards in the world falling part at the funeral all broke my heart. However, that wasn't the saddest part. In fact, there wasn't one scene that I could specifically call the saddest part. However, above all else, the story behind Voldemort's mother was what tore me up the most. That is the storyline that will haunt me.

I reather enjoyed the background story about Voldemort, it was very informative ... and important

Merope Guant was a pitiable character. Her own son knowing what she had to go through, never felt that. Harry should take stock of that lesson.

Dumbledore's death was sad, but Hagrid's reation to it was the saddest part for me. I think that Dumbledore knew he was going to die, and intended for it to happen the way it did.

Did Dumbledore EVER show fear with Voldemort? No. Did he fear death? No. Then why would he plead with Snape before he died? Remember this is a man who could easily do wandless magic. He intended to go the way he did, and he had to urge Snape to do it.

Dumbledore pleaded for Snape to kill him or spare his life?

M.

My vote goes to Dumbledores death or Malfoys personal probablems.

But more for Dumbledore.

But then again there was what happened to Bill.

I think Dumbledore was genuinely shocked about Snapey being on the other side...I dont know what he was pleading for (it doesn't seem to me like Dumbledore was a man who would plead someone to spare his life) but with his wandless magic...I have a feeling he would need to be in full health to do that.

Having read the book, I think Dumbledore was pleading for Snape to help him. Snape knew from the beginning what Malfoy's task was and he had agreed to the Unbreakable Vow, confirming his betrayal (if he ever had a true alleigance to Dumbledore that is).

M.

I think that Dumbledore was pleading with Snape to help him by being the one to fufill the vow. Dumbledore didn't want Draco to become a murderer, and with the unbreakable vow, Snape would die if he did not do it. There were other Death Eaters there, so there was no doubt that someone would kill Dumbledore, so why sacrifice Severus when he could still be acting on the side of Dumbledore? We just don't know where he really stood. I do find it odd that Snape never retrieved his book when he knew that Harry had to borrow a potions book from the classroom.

Maybe he wanted to be discovered

Maybe that was knowledge that Harry needs to fight. Remember that there are a lot of spells in there that are not taught at school. You never know. It could have been a mistake, but now Harry has the tools to use against Snape.

Harrys also found the room where there are forbidden books in the RoR, maybe theres something about Horcruxes

It would be a smart thing for Harry to raid that room and take every book on hexes, jinxes, horcruxes. He will need all the tools he can get. Ron and Hermione are not strong fighteres like Harry.

Couldnt Harry just ask the RoR for the Horcruxes?

Nope. It doesn't work like that silly.

ok then, ask for a portal to each of them ... surely it could help, not just give him the books

The ROR only provides things that stay in that room. You can take and hide things in it, but things that the room conjures remain in the room.

Oh and a very sad part was when Harry told Dumbledore that he said that he was Dumbledore's man through and through, and Dumbledore's eyes got all teary. I think that is a clue that he knew that he was going to be leaving Harry.

it might have been pride?

We know that he loves Harry, but I think it was knowing that Harry looked to him as a hero and that he could not do this one for Harry. His time of guiding Harry was coming to an end.

I think that Dumbledore was mistaken to have trusted Snape and I really doubt he will come through. It just shows that Dumbledore was human as everyone else and as he said himself, his being cleverer than most made his mistakes bigger than most as well.

M.

I have been re-reading the book and I think this paragraph did it for me:

Around this time i had a small tear in my eye ... might have been from lack of sleep, but im not ashamed, it was a very sad time in the story

M, that was the part that made me very sad too. Hagrid, well, Dumbledore was his hero, and he was Harry's as well. It was just sad to read their reactions. The other part that got me was when Hagrid carried the body.

I dont usually cry over books ... its just i had a tear ... I guess us guys are tuffer than you gals

The death of Dumbledore, was beyond doubt, the absolute saddest part of the book... and the scenes that happened following it... where people found out, and the grief that they were struck with over his death.

The last 50 or so pages, from Dumbledore's death, which was written so well it made me gasp with shock, although I only had the slightest tear in my eye, to Hagrid's reaction, to the funeral, were the saddest. I can't believe Umbridge is still in the Ministry, let alone at Dumbledore's funeral!!!! I was so angry!

I was SHOCKED to find that Umbridge showed up at the funeral... and even worse, to find that after everything she did at Hogwarts, she is STILL working for the ministry. SHOCK SHOCK SHOCK!!!!

I had the impression Umbridge was killed by the Centaurs.
Or was it just wishful thinking?

Dumbledore was seen emerging from the forest with umbridge in his arms

Oh... well, I haven't really studied book 5 thoroughly enough to notice that. thanx for the enlightment FP

I think it might have been mentioned in HBP ...

Oh and at the end she is in the hospital wing, and ron teases her making clucking noises like a hourse hoof ... and she bolts up right

I was not mentioned in HBP but you are right about the hoof sound. It was hilarious.

M.

Sorry, that 'I' was supposed to be 'It'. And yes, it is mentioned in OotP.

M.

Yes, I'm sure that she got herself in REALLY good with the new minister, and what she said to him about Harry. This new guy definately has his eye upon our Harry, and getting him to represent the MoM... but, it won't happen. Even if Harry became an Auror... he will NEVER support the MoM.

As much as I might be flamed for this, for me, Dumbledore dying wasn't the saddest part. He was getting old, and didn't have much time left any way around.
To me, the saddest part was the fact that a brilliant mind like Snape's, who under different circumstances (like not having an abusive Muggle father) could have turned out better, was lost to the Dark Side. He's so smart and had so much potential, but he threw it all away because he was so smothered by his own hatred that he couldn't see past it.
Now, he's Voldemort's strongest ally, and I don't think Harry'll be able to get to Voldemort unless something is done with Snape first. I think that Wormtail will repay his debt to Harry by killing Snape, or distracting him long enough for someone else to kill him. In a way, he'd also be repaying James and Lily for what he and Snape did to them, at least inasmuch as something like that could be repayed.
Dumbledore's death was sad, and everyone's reactions even sadder, but I'm still mourning the loss of Snape even more.

I think that Wormtail is most likely to kill Grayback with his silver hand more than anything else.

As for Snape being lost, he was a lost cause as a child just like Voldemort was. Who knows how Voldemort would have turned out if his mother had lived?

But yes, Snape better cork it at Harry's hands before Voldemort does. I would like to see a Levicorpus and then a sectusempra while he is hanging upside down. Man, I am cruel.

M.

Here is another excerpt that I found emotional:

M, that one really hit me when I read it. As a mom, I felt so much for Harry. He was alone. The enormity of it hit him then.

For me, the saddest part was at the end when Harry entered Dumbledore's office with McGonagall and saw the new portrait, the portait of Dumbledore. I think at that moment, it hit me that the real Dumbledore was actually GONE.
And then there was the moment when Harry approached the astrology tower with Hagrid, and they saw Dumbledore's body lying there. Those two moments were when I cried the hardest.

I thought it was very touching that while Hagrid stood there with everyone else, Harry bent down and straightened Dumbledore's glasses and wiped the blood from his face. that part really got me

Yeah, that was another part that made me stop to cry...Poor Harry. And yet, he manages to be so strong...