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Posted by: Curley Joe

By Tom Goeller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 9, 2005


A fictional crime drama based on the premise that the Bush administration ordered the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Washington aired this week on German state television, prompting the Green Party chairman to call for an investigation.

"I think absolutely nothing of the conspiracy theory that has been hawked in this series. I hope this particular TV movie will be discussed very critically at the next supervisory board meeting of ARD [state television]," said Green Party Chairman Reinhard Buetikofer, who acknowledged that he had not seen the show.

Sunday night's episode of "Tatort," a popular murder mystery that has been running on state-run ARD-German television for 35 years, revolved around a German woman and a man who was killed in her apartment.

According to the plot, which was seen by approximately 7 million Germans, the dead man had been trained to be one of the September 11 pilots but was left behind, only to be tracked down and killed by CIA or FBI assassins.

The woman, who says in the program that the September 11 attacks were instigated by the Bush family for oil and power, then is targeted, presumably to silence her. The drama concludes with the German detectives accepting the truth of her story as she eludes the U.S. government hit men and escapes to safety in an unnamed Arab country.

As ludicrous as it may sound to most Americans, the tale has resonance in Germany, where fantastic conspiracy theories often are taken as fact.

Many Germans think, for example, that the 1969 moon landing was faked, and a poll published in the weekly Die Zeit showed that 31 percent of Germans younger than 30 "think that there is a certain possibility that the U.S. government ordered the attacks of 9/11."

In fact, three of the hijackers who seized control of commercial airlines on September 11, 2001, including the ringleader, Mohamed Atta, purportedly had ties to a Hamburg, Germany-based al Qaeda cell.

ARD, and ARD-produced television shows, are funded by a monthly tax on German televisions. The network plays a role similar to the British Broadcasting Corp., or the Public Broadcasting Service in the United States, which is nominally independent but funded by taxpayers.

"Tatort," which translates to "Crime Scene," is a drama with a rotating cast of actors solving mysteries in weekly episodes set throughout Germany.

The U.S. Embassy in Berlin was not impressed with the latest episode, which seemed to use haunting Arabic music to portray Arabs and Muslims as innocent victims of American aggression.

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Posted by: lodgebo

I think the main word in this whole article is fiction. Nobody is or was making the claim that Bush actually really did this it is just a story that was atched by a very small number of the German population nearly 76 million did not watch it. And as for the fact that German people believe that the moon landing was faked and that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks well those ideas are not exclusivly German are they

Point is that this was not an allegation just make bleieve and I cant imagine that it has in the least bit done any real damage to anyone.

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Posted by: Dekka00

It was not planes that crashed into the Twin Towers, people.

WAKE UP!

There are no Twin Towers, and never were any Twin Towers.... SO HOW COULD PLANES HAVE CRASHED INTO THEM?

the American public has been fooled. Gullible, gullible, sheep.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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Dekka00 said this in post #3 :
It was not planes that crashed into the Twin Towers, people.

WAKE UP!

There are no Twin Towers, and never were any Twin Towers.... SO HOW COULD PLANES HAVE CRASHED INTO THEM?

the American public has been fooled. Gullible, gullible, sheep.


You're kidding, right? Tell me that you're kidding and that you're being sarcastic.
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Posted by: Dekka00

I AM ABSOLUTELY 100% SERIOUS















and by "absolutely 100% serious" I mean "being EXTREMELY sarcastic"

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Posted by: HECK!

Actually, there was just one tower. The other 'tower' was just a huge mirror.



-HECK!

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Posted by: Curley Joe

Whew…

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Posted by: USA1

Another great reason to pull our troops from Germany.

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

Um, because a tv show used artistic license, you're gonna run away from the country where it was aired? In my opinion, that's weak. It's weak to use this as any reason for anything. It's simply a tv show. We've all seen tv shows that glamorize crime and criminals, make certain professions seem more exciting than they really are. Lies are told everyday in tv, but the idea is that we're supposed to recognize that it's FICTION. If the US pulls troops out of Germany over something that is OBVIOUSLY artistic license in fiction, then I've got a fresh new reason to laugh at Bush.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

The TV show accurately reflects the overwhelming mentality of the Germans. That' the point—use 'artistic license' to dance around it all you want.

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

Exactly. Dance around it and never actually have the balls to come out and SAY it. Artistic license is a beautiful thing, but I can't think of many reasons why one would take it so seriously as to pull troops out of a country like Germany. I don't know of any current political tensions between the two countries, but even if there are, pulling troops out of the country over something like this, isn't enough of a reason imho.

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Posted by: lodgebo

Are there actually any troops left in Germany because I thiught that the Pentagon sent the majority to Iraq, back to the States and some to Eastern Europe.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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Curley Joe said this in post #10 :
The TV show accurately reflects the overwhelming mentality of the Germans. That' the point—use 'artistic license' to dance around it all you want.


A co-worker's son in law working in Germany had his car bombed with eggs because he was known to be an American. There's your 'artistic license' hard at work for ya.

Complete U.S. troop withdrawal from German soil is already in the planning stages and will be initiated very soon. All of the 30,000 U.S. troops will wave goodbye to a Germany that does not want them, does not need them, does not deserve them. The withdrawal will be completed in stages over the next few years. Come on home, boys, you're welcome here.
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Posted by: lodgebo

You can't prove that thid guy getting egged was due to the TV program or due to him being an American ( you want that to be the reason though) fact is it could have been any number of reasons like kids playing about.

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

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Curley Joe said this in post #13 :


A co-worker's son in law working in Germany had his car bombed with eggs because he was known to be an American. There's your 'artistic license' hard at work for ya.


The act itself can't be artistic license. That just doesn't make sense. If you're saying that the influence behind the egging was because of artistic license, then that's really hard to prove. I understand that life imitates art, but the quandry with that is regarding the right to free speech. People have to use discernment and judge for themselves what's up. I hate seeing how easily people can take on the opinions of others at the drop of a proverbial hat. Makes me quite frustrated, actually...
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Posted by: Curley Joe

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lodgebo said this in post #12 :
Are there actually any troops left in Germany because I thiught that the Pentagon sent the majority to Iraq, back to the States and some to Eastern Europe.


Where'd you get that idea? Transferring 30,000 troops that have been based there for so long takes time.
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Posted by: lodgebo

I remmeber that the US did move a lot of troopsfrom Western Europe to Eastern europe at the end of last year and I thought that Germany would be one of those countries that had troops leaving.

But if you kow exactly where the troops are going it should not take that long to move the vast majority of them.

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Posted by: USA1

By the sounds of this news in Germany, they want us out anyway.
I'm glad we are obliging them.

The 30,000 troops also has a support group with them. German contractors and support poeple for food, sewer, water and fuel. Also many have families who are on the base and it brings the fugure closer to 40,000. This is equivilent to a small city dissapearing in a couple years. Many of the sorrounding villages will be hit hard economicaly.

Oh well.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

quote:
USA1 said this in post #18 :
By the sounds of this news in Germany, they want us out anyway.
I'm glad we are obliging them.


Exactly.



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The 30,000 troops also has a support group with them. German contractors and support poeple for food, sewer, water and fuel. Also many have families who are on the base and it brings the fugure closer to 40,000. This is equivilent to a small city dissapearing in a couple years. Many of the sorrounding villages will be hit hard economicaly.


The German U.S.-hating majority can't have it both ways. Too bad, so sad.
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Posted by: lodgebo

We have had this warning form USA1 and Joe beofre about cities and economies being hard hit when troops left bases acroos europe and the far east last year and guess what guys life went on.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

Guess what, lodgebo. We don't care. We want our troops out of Germany and other places in Euroland where they are not wanted. It is to America's benefit—what it means for the Germans doesn't concern me in the least.

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Posted by: USA1

They haven't left completely yet but the impact to some local German cities will be pretty huge when it happens.
Germany for one has some serious issues in regards to the economy in general and the affect will be more localized but still felt.
I am not sure if the Naval bases in some parts of Eruope will also be closed. Those are even more huge economic impact issues.

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Posted by: Dekka00

somehow I doubt 30,000 troops leaving a country of nearly 83 million is going to have an enormous impact on the German economy...

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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Dekka00 said this in post #23 :
somehow I doubt 30,000 troops leaving a country of nearly 83 million is going to have an enormous impact on the German economy...


Yeah, you can't dig much lower than the bottom of the barrel.
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Posted by: lodgebo

quote:
Curley Joe said this in post #21 :
Guess what, lodgebo. We don't care. We want our troops out of Germany and other places in Euroland where they are not wanted. It is to America's benefit—what it means for the Germans doesn't concern me in the least.


Guess what Joe nobody gave a rats ass when the US pulled out trrops from all these other countries either so therefore everybody wins.
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Posted by: Sierradaddy

Rats' asses go for a lot of money in these parts...

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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lodgebo said this in post #25 :


Guess what Joe nobody gave a rats ass when the US pulled out trrops from all these other countries either so therefore everybody wins.


Exactly!
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Posted by: Preston Likely

Republicans join critics of war in Iraq
By Demetri Sevastopulo in Washington

"Donald Rumsfeld is used to criticism from Democrats when he testifies before Congress. But on Thursday the defence secretary was greeted with increased concerns from Republicans about the situation in Iraq and declining US public support for the war" (read on)...

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/d1b746e8-e...000e2511c8.html

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Posted by: USA1

As I said, it's the local economies the suffer, not the country in general.
Local support for 30,000 people is like feeding a city. When it's gone, there is a huge hole to fill.

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Posted by: lodgebo

I still do not think it will have the impact that you wish it would. The German communities that have these troops are not stupid and have known that they are not staying forever,therefore they would not have pinned all hopes on income from military bases. I reckon that the areas affected will have seen the money that troops brought as a bonus rather than a necessity

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Posted by: USA1

If you can read German, you can find this all over Germany. It is a real issue for a 10%+ unemployment rate.
We don't make our own food or fuel or cloths or furnature on these bases. It all comes from the local community support and contracts. Also, the money spent off base by 30,000 poeple on a regular basis is huge.

Also, you get me worng as usual. I don't hate Germans, I dislike their government policies. Ha, sound familiar?

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Posted by: lodgebo

This fear that Germans have is not needed though. As you will probably know the US closed a few bases globally toward the end of last year and in to the beginning of this year. Economic reserach was carried out on the communiites that had lost bases and the finindgs showed that " these areas are faring well compared to national economic indicators", 69% of these areas had unemployment figures under the national average and that 48%had rates of growth above the national average.

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Posted by: USA1

Good for them, they don't need any hardship from this.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1299315,00.html

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0...1152253,00.html

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Posted by: lodgebo

Well we will have to wait and see what happens I guess. You and me could go on forever swapping stories, facts and figures but ultimately it will be down to the people in the villages on whether or not they remain economically strong.

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Posted by: USA1

Europe and America is a Love - Hate relationship.
Money and governemt.

As Europe moves to a more open society with more Muslims setting up camp, I think there will be less and less vacations there as time goes by. It's bad enough to get robbed or spit on in France and when they start burning the American flag over there (and it will happen), I for one will have reservations for going there for work or pleasure.

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Posted by: lodgebo

What has this got to do with anything. Just seems like more typical, French, muslim and european bashing. mind you I expect nothing less from you.

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Posted by: brochu13

quote:
USA1 said this in post #35 :
Europe and America is a Love - Hate relationship.

I see no evidence of this.
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Posted by: Curley Joe

quote:
USA1 said this in post #33 :

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1299315,00.html

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0...1152253,00.html


The impact of US plans to pull some 70,000 troops out of Europe and Asia is likely to be felt most acutely in Germany — especially in smaller towns whose economies depend on the US presence.
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Posted by: peanut1

Here we are in April of 2006 and you some of you are still stubbornly clinging to remaining way way off track when it comes to the events of Sept., 2001.

It is categorically impossible to hijack a Boeing 767 or 757 because their appurtenant anti-hijacking system code named "Home Run" would come into play. The flight crews on 767s and 757s have their choice of up to seven key pad locations on board whereas they can type in a four digit code alarming air traffic control of an attempted hijacking. The aircraft would be taken over electronically from the ground and flown to a military airfield.

It was this very anti-hijacking design feature "Home Run" that was being tested in the Amalgam Virgo and Triad military war games exercises on Sept., 2001.It was under the cover of these anti hijacking drills that flights 11, 175, and possibly 77 (if it ever actually took off) were taken over, redirected and flown to secret air port facilities under the control of the Synarchist US invisible government.

The original planes were hastily replaced by drones in order to feign a Kamikaze style attack on at least the two WTC towers. Two aircraft within 50 meters of one another appear as one to air traffic controllers on radar screens. That's how the switches were made ,and that's why the planes appeared to cut off their transponders and make sharp changes of direction.

A commuter size Saab drone hit the first tower, and then a very specially modified 767-300 drone hit the second tower .A cruise missile hit the Pentagon. The reason it looked like the transponders were cut off is because the "Home Run" system works through the FM signal ports normally used by the transponders by overpowering the transporter FM signal with a much stronger reverse signal. The reason the black box tapes were blank is that these tapes are on a thirty minute loop and the aircraft were under "Home Run" control from the ground
for more than thirty minutes.

America needs to quickly wake up to the fact that the events of 9/11 were fake simulations (Synthetic Terror), and that talk of there having been 19 Arab hijackers is pure flapdoodle,Zacharias Moussoui's torture induced lies
not withstanding. If America continues worshipping at the feet of the 9/11 myth,the Synarchist invisible government will do something much larger in scale and then have the Bush Junta declare martial law and bring about the onset of internment and mass extermination of Americans.




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Posted by: whoop45

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/01/359238.html?c=on

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007...l?c=on#comments

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