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| Posted by: mystic | | Yet AGAIN!
Oh my...what a shocker!
Michael Jackson Treated in Emergency Room
By TIM MOLLOY, Associated Press Writer
SOLVANG, Calif. - Michael Jackson was taken to an emergency room Sunday for treatment of a back problem that has plagued him throughout his molestation trial. He later left to the thunder of flashbulbs.
Jackson, accompanied by a bodyguard, arrived at the Santa Ynez Valley Cottage Hospital about five miles from his Neverland ranch at about 2:30 p.m., spokeswoman Raymone K. Bain said.
"Mr. Jackson's back has spurred up on him again," Bain said. "It's pretty serious. It was serious enough for him to come over here."
Jackson left the hospital in a sport utility vehicle shortly after 8 p.m. in a flurry of activity. His aides had erected white scaffolding outside the emergency room entrance to block the view of photographers gathered outside.
As flashbulbs popped and dozens of fans screamed, "We love you," the SUV and another vehicle drove slowly through a street packed with reporters and fans. Several chased after the vehicles and one photographer was led away by police.
Bain said stress contributed to the entertainer's back problem.
"He's under a tremendous amount of stress right now," she said at an impromptu news conference outside the hospital. "Other than his back, he is doing fine."
It was unclear late Sunday evening whether Jackson had been admitted to the hospital. Bain had offered no further updates since mid-afternoon.
Jackson's health has been an issue throughout the trial. The 46-year-old pop star appeared gaunt in recent days, and officials at the hospital disclosed Friday that he had visited the emergency room overnight Thursday. They would not discuss the reason for that visit, citing privacy concerns.
Prior to last week, Jackson's case was interrupted twice by hospital visits, once for treatment of flu symptoms. He first reported a back problem in early March, when he went to an emergency room on one of the days his accuser took the stand. Jackson arrived late, dressed in pajama bottoms, after the judge ordered him to come to court.
The singer is charged with molesting a 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003. He is also accused of plying him with wine and conspiring to hold his family captive.
The jury received Jackson's case Friday afternoon and deliberated for about two hours before adjourning for the weekend. They will resume discussions Monday. Bain said Jackson planned to return to his family at Neverland when he is released from the hospital to wait for the verdict.
"His mother is a rock of Gibraltar. So is his father," she said.
Also Sunday, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said in an interview that he has arrived in the area to meet with Jackson.
"I talk to him almost every day, and we have prayer," he said. "We are going to be in prayer as we watch and wait." | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Ya know, the man makes a living shaking his bootie and moonwalking and such...how has he ever made it through the years with such awful back pain... ????  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Larke2000 | | oh give me a break!!! back pain. 
smells more like extreme terror of being locked up and becoming somebody's girlfriend. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | If I were living in Santa Maria, I would be a restraining order waiting to happen.
The sad thing is that I will be in LA next week and I know the roads well.
My friends will just have to restrain me or feed me enough Jack Daniels that:
a) I pass out
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b) I just don't care. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | If he goes to jail we all know he will go to country club prison.
And he will be separated from the poopulation.
Special treatment he will receive. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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sowhatsthetruth said this in post #6 :
If he goes to jail we all know he will go to country club prison.
And he will be separated from the poopulation.
Special treatment he will receive. |
I know, but I hope that he is miserable there. ANYONE who harms a child deserves the worst that we can give them.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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fuscia said this in post #7 :
I know, but I hope that he is miserable there. ANYONE who harms a child deserves the worst that we can give them. |
I agree Fuscia.
What will rip him to pieces is that there are not pre pubescent boys there...that would be utter chaos and hell for him...until...
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| Posted by: mystic | | The one thing that scares me the most everytime MJ goes to the hospital...
Is who got kicked out of their room this time so that MJ could have privacy? One woman died the last time he took her room...(I mean we all know his sniffles were more important than her heart.)
Who was at risk this time?
Dont tell me...someone was gasping for air, but instead of allowing that person air on high tech machines, they kicked the person out of the room and put long straws up their nose and ran the straws outside so that the person could get air that way. Heh. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | That is so true Mystic. He should not get special treatment. His pain should not put ANYONE at risk.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I am going on vacation next week to LA...it's way too close to Santa maria for my liking. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | If you get arrested, we will start a bail fund for you.
Seriously, have a safe and happy vacation SWTT.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Thanks Fuscia, unfortunately my vocation never lets me take very long vacations, but I take what I can get.
One day I will break out and take a whole two weeks and tell them all to drink Jack Daniels. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: hazel_dragoneye | | Of course he is trying to prolong this trial.......This back ache crap would not work if one of us tried it.
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| 'Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo.' -- H.G. Wells |
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | You guys are brutal Man no sympathy for MJ whatsoever?
I believe MJ is stressed out, I don’t believe it’s a ploy personally. Let’s face it, he’s a wimp. All he needs to do is man up (if it’s possible) and take his medicine. However, MJ has never had to do that. This is exactly why I believe he paid off past accusers because he didn’t want to suffer the trauma however he should have learned a lesson from them but he didn’t.
I truly believe MJ has learned this time. If not, they need to strap him down and medicate his skinny little butt and commit him because he’s a danger to himself. However, I think it’s hard to fake the weight loss he obviously couldn’t afford during these proceedings.
However, he has no one to blame but himself. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: chodder | | Jacko is psychotic. Amazing we even waste our time with him. And if anyone supports this then you’re retarded. If you support this guy then you support him molesting little kids. These kids could be your kids. Think about. He should just get a bullet in the head and that’s it. We are wasting our time with this guy. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #19 :
You guys are brutal Man no sympathy for MJ whatsoever?
None, call me harsh, call me crazy, but I have NO sympathy for child sexual abuser pervert pedophiles.
Not every one who has been a victim of pedophilia becomes one themselves....so the entire poor Michael and his childhood trauma "defense" goes straight into the toilet, IMO.
I believe MJ is stressed out, I don’t believe it’s a ploy personally. Let’s face it, he’s a wimp. All he needs to do is man up (if it’s possible) and take his medicine. However, MJ has never had to do that. This is exactly why I believe he paid off past accusers because he didn’t want to suffer the trauma however he should have learned a lesson from them but he didn’t.
He needs to keep his hands and body off of children and then I'll cut him some slack. But this isn't going to happen. jail for this pedophile, now. Trauma? Who's trauma are you talking about here? You actually feel sorry for the trauma Michael may have suffered? Give me a break.
I truly believe MJ has learned this time. If not, they need to strap him down and medicate his skinny little butt and commit him because he’s a danger to himself. However, I think it’s hard to fake the weight loss he obviously couldn’t afford during these proceedings.
Oh, gee. I wasn't aware that there were pills that made pedophiles no longer want to molest/rape children. Saltpeter maybe? They say if you castrate a pedophile they will still commit the acts. What is left? Prison for life. Prison for life. Prison for life....or the other option.
However, he has no one to blame but himself.
Yes, and certain family, fans and admirers who enable his behavior by putting him on a pedestal.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | All I can say is that it’s times like this that makes our judicial system shine despite all its flaws. I hope none of you ever sit on a criminal jury. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #22 :
All I can say is that it’s times like this that makes our judicial system shine despite all its flaws. I hope none of you ever sit on a criminal jury. |
I hope you don't either...for the sake of the children.
Do you actually believe the DA's in Santa Maria just have it out for Michael Jackson?
Most times the DA's are certain of these pedophiles...and the problem is nabbing them....getting the evidence...getting children to testify....I am 95% sure there are other children they have interviewed and for very obvious reasons the kids lie and say they weren't molested or they are not willing to testify.
Who would want to testify in this case?
Re-enacted courtooms on the entertainment channels.
People they don't even know calling them "troubled liars with checkered pasts." You think this is fun for these boys? You think they are out to get Michael Jackson?
Phoeeeyyyy to you and anyone with such a mentality.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | |
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I hope you don't either...for the sake of the children.
Do you actually believe the DA's in Santa Maria just have it out for Michael Jackson?
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You believe he doesn’t? Do you know the history of this guy? In fact, did you see that circus he presented in court as proof MJ is a monster?
For the sake of the children huh? I agree, for the sake of the children they should expose this lying family for what they are. It’s because of them that the cries of the innocent children falls on death ears.
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| Most times the DA's are certain of these pedophiles...and the problem is nabbing them....getting the evidence...getting children to testify....I am 95% sure there are other children they have interviewed and for very obvious reasons the kids lie and say they weren't molested or they are not willing to testify. |
The problem with you is that you believe this kid despite everything pointing to the fact that he’s a con simply because he’s a kid. “All the children” has nothing to do with this liar.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Plain and simple.
Michael Jackson is a pedophile.
You choose not to believe it.
And you know what? It doesn't matter what we think. There is Someone far greater who will deal with this situation in His own way. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Maybe he is maybe he isn’t. You all seem to be the ones whom are so sure. My point is simply this. This kid and his family are liars. Knowing they are cons makes it pretty hard for me to send someone away for the rest of their life based on what these cons are saying.
Mike masturbated him even after they launched an investigation into his molesting him and that sounds plausible to you?
I tell you what, just round up a bunch of people, grab your pitchforks and torches and head of to Santa Monica and hang him. After all, this con, I mean kid said he did it right? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | I don't need a pitchfork. I don't even need to go after him myself.
Again, there is Someone far greater that knows about Michael's dirty little deeds...all those things done in the secret quiet place of his secured bedroom. And there isn't any alarm that can keep this Someone from seeing these dirty little deeds.
God save his soul and keep Michael's hands off these boys. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Well since God told you personally that MJ did it, I guess that ends the debate now doesn't it? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #26 :
Maybe he is maybe he isn’t. You all seem to be the ones whom are so sure. My point is simply this. This kid and his family are liars. Knowing they are cons makes it pretty hard for me to send someone away for the rest of their life based on what these cons are saying.
Mike masturbated him even after they launched an investigation into his molesting him and that sounds plausible to you?
I tell you what, just round up a bunch of people, grab your pitchforks and torches and head of to Santa Monica and hang him. After all, this con, I mean kid said he did it right? |
What better child to abuse than one of a con artists? No one will believe what he says because his mom is the way she is. There is a history of this "man" taking the same type of boys into his bed. There is something very very wrong there.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #28 :
Well since God told you personally that MJ did it, I guess that ends the debate now doesn't it? |
Ure crazy.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #28 :
Well since God told you personally that MJ did it, I guess that ends the debate now doesn't it? |
This is crazy talk... no wonder you believe Michael Jackson doesn't have a thing with young boys.
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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fuscia said this in post #29 :
What better child to abuse than one of a con artists? No one will believe what he says because his mom is the way she is. There is a history of this "man" taking the same type of boys into his bed. There is something very very wrong there. |
Well said Fuscia!
Michael is smart in how he chooses his victims. He takes poor people and preys on their children and uses his money to hang over their heads.
When someone calls the family liars I laugh. Im not saying this woman hasnt lied in her lifetime about things...but she isnt the victim...its her kid.
I guess oneofpeace thinks the other families he paid off are also conartists too.
Star struck people with that attitude are the reason why MJ will walk away and be allowed to prey on kids and molest again.
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | mystic,
oneofpeace believes this kid is a "troubled liar with a checkered past."
oneofpeace believes the other kids were in a different category...no trouble...
Read on lady  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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sowhatsthetruth said this in post #33 :
mystic,
oneofpeace believes this kid is a "troubled liar with a checkered past."
oneofpeace believes the other kids were in a different category...no trouble...
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Im sorry, but the this "liar of a kid" with his "checkered past" is the only one of the children whose family has yet to ask for money...so its a bogus statement he made.
Yeah..the kid has quite a checkered past...Ill bet he even made up the whole cancer story too. That damned liar!
oneofpeace is gonna have to do more than state that this kid is lying (which ironically, he doesnt know that for a fact either...obviously).
Im not saying that there has never been a kid that never lied on the stand in cases like this....but no one is gonna tell me that with MJ's past history of paying off little kids for their silence, that he is as innocent as an angel.
If MJ is found not guilty, I hope they do take this SOB to civil court and rape him right back....take the guy to the poor house...maybe then he will get caught one day because he wont have the money to pay people off.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Why is it that all the boys that accused MJ look alike? Because he has a type. What boy would put up with two years of humiliation at that age for money? Not many. I think the kid is telling the truth about the molestation. I think the mom may have made up the being held hostage part. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Fuscia
I have heard on TV court talk that if the prosecution had simply stuck to the molestation type charges and left the conspiracy part out of it, they could have had a better case. There was more evidence for the molestation, and the conspiracy and kidnapping charges detracted from the case. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | I think that is true. That would have eliminated the mom as a witness. Still, it is hard to dismiss those boys that got settlements looking like the accuser and telling the same stories of abuse. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | You guys are reaching. So if MJ molested a child without a checkered past what would you all be saying then, why would the child be lying? If someone is a con artist and they accuse you of something, you think it’s not reasonable to believe they are conning you?
Mystic, not without respect for your position but you honestly believe that this family isn’t after money? Why is it then that they seem to gravitate toward celebrities? Why is it that Leno and Tucker came to the same conclusion that this family is on the take? Why is it that after Tucker warned MJ to watch this family, MJ finds himself in court?
How is it that we are to believe that the mom made up the part about them being held hostage and didn’t make up the rest of it? Didn’t this same accuser say on the stand that they “escaped” from Never Land 3 different times?
I just don’t buy their story and I buy even less that MJ targeted them because they were ripe for the pickings. You claim that MJ is so smart to pick this victim yet he’s so dumb to molest him numerous times in front of his entire staff? In the shower, at the pool, in the yard in front of everyone at his ranch? Wow, I can see how you all can conclude that MJ is such a genius.
Certainly past allegations and payoffs are something to look at but it doesn’t prove his guilt no more than his innocence. The man (and I use the term loosely) can’t stand up to the pressure that should be obvious by now. His worst enemy is himself.
Lastly, I am by no means “star struck”. I simply think it’s a ridiculous story to believe MJ kept molesting this boy even after the police started investigating him on these charges. You can’t have it both ways. Either MJ is smart or it didn’t happen. I find it hard to believe that he’s so smart to pick out his victims and so dumb to molest the same victim after the police is watching him. The story just don’t jibe. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mystic | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #38 :
You guys are reaching. So if MJ molested a child without a checkered past what would you all be saying then, why would the child be lying? If someone is a con artist and they accuse you of something, you think it’s not reasonable to believe they are conning you?
If MJ didnt have his past, then I would give him the benefit of the doubt more so than I do now...but as it stands, he has made it clear that his pay off "hush hush" money wasnt paid just because...
Mystic, not without respect for your position but you honestly believe that this family isn’t after money? Why is it then that they seem to gravitate toward celebrities? Why is it that Leno and Tucker came to the same conclusion that this family is on the take? Why is it that after Tucker warned MJ to watch this family, MJ finds himself in court?
Funny...I remember Leno specifically stating that the family never asked him for money. He can assume all he wants, but the fact that they DIDNT ask for any, makes it just that...they didnt ask!
Funny though, I dont remember them asking MJ for any money either.
If all they wanted was money, why didnt they do what the OTHER families did and settle for a settlement?
Hmm...
How is it that we are to believe that the mom made up the part about them being held hostage and didn’t make up the rest of it? Didn’t this same accuser say on the stand that they “escaped” from Never Land 3 different times?
I never said the mother isnt all there...but people need to focus on the kids more so than the mother....she isnt the victim, the kid is. I saw that Martin Brashir interview...it disgusted me how MJ brainwashed that kid. MJ was holding hands with him and saying that it was okay for kids to share his bed...
Dude, this guy has problems, and dont even say that he was innocently sharing his bed with a 10 year old kid and not doing something.
The fact is that MJ has a pattern of picking his children, and for reason.
I just don’t buy their story and I buy even less that MJ targeted them because they were ripe for the pickings. You claim that MJ is so smart to pick this victim yet he’s so dumb to molest him numerous times in front of his entire staff? In the shower, at the pool, in the yard in front of everyone at his ranch? Wow, I can see how you all can conclude that MJ is such a genius.
Oh yeah...you are talking about the same MJ that had a habit of paying people off for their silence, correct? Uh huh...I see.
You dont buy THEIR story, but you buy his? All those people, including the past victims, and they are all liars in your eyes and MJ isnt?
He pays people to quiet them...I'd venture to guess he paid his staff just as well for their silence. Im not saying all of his staff are being honest, but Id also guess that some are telling the way it was.
Oddly enough, I think its even more funny that you question all these people, including his past victims, rather than questioning him.
Lastly, I am by no means “star struck”. I simply think it’s a ridiculous story to believe MJ kept molesting this boy even after the police started investigating him on these charges. You can’t have it both ways. Either MJ is smart or it didn’t happen. I find it hard to believe that he’s so smart to pick out his victims and so dumb to molest the same victim after the police is watching him. The story just don’t jibe.
Molesters dont quit just because the cops investigated them once before. Molesters dont know how to stop...how many times have you heard of a molester getting out of jail and doing it again, even when they had to register as a sex offender? Well, I dont know how many times youve heard it, but Ive heard and seen it happen to many times.
I dont know if he continued to keep on molesting him, but why not? If he wanted to make it seem as if the relationship was still the same even after the investigation, it wouldnt surprise me at all that he kept on....but that I dont know about...but what Im pretty sure about is that the guy has molested kids....and since he will probably be found not guilty, it will continue. |
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | |
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he has made it clear that his pay off "hush hush" money wasnt paid just because...
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So Mystic by this reasoning then this same accuser and family was sexually molested by the staff at JC Penny. After all, they paid them off too now didn’t they?
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Funny...I remember Leno specifically stating that the family never asked him for money. He can assume all he wants, but the fact that they DIDNT ask for any, makes it just that...they didnt ask!
Funny though, I dont remember them asking MJ for any money either.
If all they wanted was money, why didnt they do what the OTHER families did and settle for a settlement?
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Leno stated that he believed they were after his money. So did Chris Tucker and you are saying because they didn’t say “I want some money” that it’s all some coincidence?
If someone warned you a friend was trying to take your money then suddenly you find yourself in a vulnerable position for them to get just that, you wouldn’t believe you were played?
Again why is it that this family seems to be involved with so many celebrities, coincidence?
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but people need to focus on the kids more so than the mother....she isnt the victim, the kid is
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The kid has been caught shoplifting, lying in court against his dad and JC Penny. The kid had a troubled childhood before MJ came along and you somehow believe his accusations that MJ molested him even after the cops were involved? That’s just absurdity at its height.
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I saw that Martin Brashir interview...it disgusted me how MJ brainwashed that kid. MJ was holding hands with him and saying that it was okay for kids to share his bed...
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I saw the interview too and I was equally appalled but why would MJ admit to sharing his bed if he was molesting this boy? Do you think a pedophile would admit sleeping in bed with children innocently if he were molesting them?
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Dude, this guy has problems, and dont even say that he was innocently sharing his bed with a 10 year old kid and not doing something.
The fact is that MJ has a pattern of picking his children, and for reason.
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I agree, he has serious issues and sharing his bed with children, though not illegal, is inappropriate and that’s exactly why he’s in the mess he’s in now but I find it hard to believe that MJ would be carrying on with this child in front of his staff and out in his yard as he’s been accused of.
A pedophile tries to conceal their behavior not expose themselves. It was MJ who said he let children sleep in his bed.
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You dont buy THEIR story, but you buy his? All those people, including the past victims, and they are all liars in your eyes and MJ isnt?
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MJ has refused to believe there was something wrong with his behavior therefore yes he was vulnerable to the accusations whether he did it or not. I don’t know the story of “All those people” I know the story of this young man and it simply doesn’t have any ring of truth to it or it’s so embellished that it doesn’t resemble anything near the truth. I believe the former.
This “he pays people to keep them quiet” is assumption and though it looks bad against him, when I weigh the entire story of both sides, it’s not that I believe MJ, it’s that I DON’T believe the kid. They are grifters and con artists.
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Oddly enough, I think its even more funny that you question all these people, including his past victims, rather than questioning him.
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Your wrong on this account however it would seem that so many of you are questioning MJ’s past enough, there’s no need for me to do it.
What’s worse is that you dismiss the past of this child and his mother who is most definitely a thriving influence in his life.
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Molesters dont quit just because the cops investigated them once before. Molesters dont know how to stop...how many times have you heard of a molester getting out of jail and doing it again, even when they had to register as a sex offender?
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First, Mike was under investigation for allegedly molesting this same boy and while he’s proclaiming his innocence turns around and molest him again? That’s absurd.
Secondly, if MJ was so uncontrollably driven to molest children that he couldn’t control himself even after the police were investigating him on it, I find it would be impossible for someone with such uncontrollable urges to pick and choose his victims.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Just a thought, but does anyone think that the makeup of the jury will follow certain guidlines? I know that my views about children's rights got so much stronger since I became a mom. Once you have kids, you really think "what if that were my child?" and it has a power. | | Reply To this Message
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oneofpeace said this in post #40 :
So Mystic by this reasoning then this same accuser and family was sexually molested by the staff at JC Penny. After all, they paid them off too now didn’t they?
If they paid off the family, then maybe they were guilty as well. Im sorry but if someone accused a person of molestation and the person didnt do it, then why pay them off just because they didnt want to deal with it. Thats ridiculous!
Leno stated that he believed they were after his money. So did Chris Tucker and you are saying because they didn’t say “I want some money” that it’s all some coincidence?
If someone warned you a friend was trying to take your money then suddenly you find yourself in a vulnerable position for them to get just that, you wouldn’t believe you were played?
Again why is it that this family seems to be involved with so many celebrities, coincidence?
They BELIEVE, which is a hell of a lot different than they DID!!
The kid has been caught shoplifting, lying in court against his dad and JC Penny. The kid had a troubled childhood before MJ came along and you somehow believe his accusations that MJ molested him even after the cops were involved? That’s just absurdity at its height.
If the kid was lying about the person at JC Penney, why did the person pay them off???
Sorry but the reason I give this kid more credibility is because he isnt the first kid...he is like the what? third or fourth?
I agree, he has serious issues and sharing his bed with children, though not illegal, is inappropriate and that’s exactly why he’s in the mess he’s in now but I find it hard to believe that MJ would be carrying on with this child in front of his staff and out in his yard as he’s been accused of.
A pedophile tries to conceal their behavior not expose themselves. It was MJ who said he let children sleep in his bed.
Well, then you must think all pedophiles are smart correct? Hmm..this is obviously not the case, I mean, considering that there are more than too many of these freaks in jail. They got caught, and it was because people had to testify against them.
How many of them do you think were filming their crimes? They got busted because people chose to tell! Also most molesters know their victim, and the victim usually is the one that blows the whistle.
Ever heard of NAMBLA? Try looking into it..these pedophiles arent exactly hiding how they feel. Dont be so naive to think that pedophiles are smart enough to hide their crime.
MJ has refused to believe there was something wrong with his behavior therefore yes he was vulnerable to the accusations whether he did it or not. I don’t know the story of “All those people” I know the story of this young man and it simply doesn’t have any ring of truth to it or it’s so embellished that it doesn’t resemble anything near the truth. I believe the former.
If you believe the former person then you believe that MJ molested a kid before...if he got away with that, then I say let him get charged now. heh!
This “he pays people to keep them quiet” is assumption and though it looks bad against him, when I weigh the entire story of both sides, it’s not that I believe MJ, it’s that I DON’T believe the kid. They are grifters and con artists.
Well, its hard not to NOT believe MJ, I mean after all...he paid off two families so that it wouldnt go public....so i dont know why you are saying that "its not that I believe him"..you shouldnt believe him just based on that fact alone.
BUT...Im not saying I believe the family in this case 100 percent either..but the fact is that MJ put himself in that position (no pun intended)..and since he has been blamed for doing this from other families, then he put himself in a position for it to happen again, and Im sorry, but I dont doubt that he could have molested this kid. Many kids have troubled backgrounds...it doesnt make their story less than the "former" as you put it.
I guess you would think that a woman who had sex before or was a prostitute could never be raped too huh? I mean who would believe a prostitute could be raped? Her and her troubled past! But...it happens, as much as you wouldnt give her the credibility either.
Your wrong on this account however it would seem that so many of you are questioning MJ’s past enough, there’s no need for me to do it.
What’s worse is that you dismiss the past of this child and his mother who is most definitely a thriving influence in his life.
No..what I do, is look at the defendant and look at his past....his past is more important when I weigh that he has had these child troubles before!
First, Mike was under investigation for allegedly molesting this same boy and while he’s proclaiming his innocence turns around and molest him again? That’s absurd.
Secondly, if MJ was so uncontrollably driven to molest children that he couldn’t control himself even after the police were investigating him on it, I find it would be impossible for someone with such uncontrollable urges to pick and choose his victims.
You need to take a trip to the police department, and allow them to fill you in on how molesters work if you believe that a molester wouldnt do such a thing.
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Just a thought, but does anyone think that the makeup of the jury will follow certain guidlines? I know that my views about children's rights got so much stronger since I became a mom. Once you have kids, you really think "what if that were my child?" and it has a power. |
Im sure they have guidlines to follow, which was given by the judge, but I dont know what those are...I would think they would follow them, but many times juries dont.
But the children's right statement, I agree with 100 percent! Its much different when one has a child...though many people without children feel the same way...but those are the ones that sympathize and understand, those that have no children and see stars in their eyes, dont care about the kids moer than they care about letting a star go free! 
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| Posted by: Jim Nasium | | mystic & sowhatsthetruth, all i can say about your posts is "amen." i think, with all due respect, oneofpeace is a little naive. i think he probably believes oj simpson was innocent too.
if you throw out even half the evidence that was legally admissable, there is no question in my mind that mj did everything he was accused of, never mind all the things that cannot be brought in as evidence. if it looks, walks like a duck... etc.
when it comes to sexual abuse, especially with children, many victims are not willing to subject themselves to the emotional trauma of reliving the experience and having to face the ruthless attacks from the unscrupulous defense lawyers. i have no doubt, ZERO, that there were many more children abused by jackson than we have even heard about.
and what frosts me the most is the stupid legal system we have in this country that gives more rights to criminals than it does to victims.
for the umpteenth time, i say that nothing is all black or all white. victims often are less than perfect themselves. the fact that this victim's mother is an apparent liar, cheat and nutcase, DOES NOT automatically mean that her son was not the victim of a crime. yet, the defense knows that all it has to do is demonstrate those facts and, therefore, voila! mj must be innocent. i have news for them. they are NOT mutually exclusive!
poor little mj. he had a rough childhood. so did millions of others. no on can tell me he didn't know right from wrong. he thought he was king of the world and exempt from our laws, especially in the shelter of his little children's paradise. then of course, if there was ever any trouble, all he had to do is come up with another twenty million or so and buy his way out again. hopefully (against all hope, i fear) he will not get away with this one. what's good for anyone else who did the same thing he has done should be good for him as well! i'm sick and tired of seeing celebrities and otherwise wealthy people living by a different set of rules than the rest of the world.
once again, jury, PLEASE use your common sense. there's no question what really happened. don't be fooled by the defendent's well-paid legal eagles loophole-finding tactics to divert jurors from seeing the truth and to coax a "reasonable doubt" verdict once again. let's have JUSTICE! | | Reply To this Message
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Jim Nasium said this in post #44 :
for the umpteenth time, i say that nothing is all black or all white. victims often are less than perfect themselves. the fact that this victim's mother is an apparent liar, cheat and nutcase, DOES NOT automatically mean that her son was not the victim of a crime. yet, the defense knows that all it has to do is demonstrate those facts and, therefore, voila! mj must be innocent. i have news for them. they are NOT mutually exclusive!
poor little mj. he had a rough childhood. so did millions of others. no on can tell me he didn't know right from wrong. he thought he was king of the world and exempt from our laws, especially in the shelter of his little children's paradise. then of course, if there was ever any trouble, all he had to do is come up with another twenty million or so and buy his way out again. hopefully (against all hope, i fear) he will not get away with this one. what's good for anyone else who did the same thing he has done should be good for him as well! i'm sick and tired of seeing celebrities and otherwise wealthy people living by a different set of rules than the rest of the world.
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Amen back to you Jim!!
Well said!
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If they paid off the family, then maybe they were guilty as well. Im sorry but if someone accused a person of molestation and the person didnt do it, then why pay them off just because they didnt want to deal with it. Thats ridiculous!
If the kid was lying about the person at JC Penney, why did the person pay them off???
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Things are not always that black & white (no pun intended) when it comes to lawsuits Mystic. People settle lawsuits for various reasons. JC Penny settled the suit because it was more so a nuisance. The publicity alone whether innocent or guilty could prove devastating.
As for MJ, he could have offered to pay this family off but he made no such offer.
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They BELIEVE, which is a hell of a lot different than they DID!!
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This is where I think you’re being dismissive. Of course they were after money. Again, why were they trying so hard to endear themselves to so many celebs? MJ made a much easier mark because of his own arrogant and stupid behavior with children.
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Sorry but the reason I give this kid more credibility is because he isnt the first kid...he is like the what? third or fourth?
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Ok granted however, how many kids did MJ sleep with over the last 2 decades and only 3 or 4 kids came forth? Does this sound like the uncontrollable pedophile that would molest the victim after the victim reports the crime to the police?
What’s detrimental to MJ is his behavior. If anyone acts the way he does, innocent or guilty they would be in the same situation eventually. It’s inevitable.
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Well, then you must think all pedophiles are smart correct? Hmm..this is obviously not the case, I mean, considering that there are more than too many of these freaks in jail. They got caught, and it was because people had to testify against them.
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I never said all pedophiles are smart however you say that MJ knew enough to pick a child with a troubled past but didn’t know enough not to molest the child in front of his staff? It just doesn’t compute.
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Ever heard of NAMBLA? Try looking into it..these pedophiles arent exactly hiding how they feel. Dont be so naive to think that pedophiles are smart enough to hide their crime.
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MJ is not a part of that group and all pedophiles do not proclaim their love for boys publicly. You yourself just said that they would never admit molesting children then you turn around in the next post and say they publicly proclaim their love for boys?
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If you believe the former person then you believe that MJ molested a kid before...if he got away with that, then I say let him get charged now. heh!
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I was speaking of the former part of that posting that this family is on the take, not the former children.
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the fact is that MJ put himself in that position (no pun intended)..and since he has been blamed for doing this from other families, then he put himself in a position for it to happen again, and Im sorry, but I dont doubt that he could have molested this kid. Many kids have troubled backgrounds...it doesnt make their story less than the "former" as you put it.
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Couple of things. First MJ’s behavior hasn’t changed since then. He’s still putting himself in a position to be accused so it’s no wonder why he would be.
Secondly, it’s more than just a “troubled past” the kid has been involved in shady dealings prior to knowing MJ. He got caught shoplifting then he said the JC Penny security beat him up and his mom said when she went in to get her child that the guard then sexually molested her.
A psychologist that examined the family said the boys seemed to be coerced and the mother troubled. The boys admitted in court that the mom made them lie against their dad. Suddenly their imposing themselves into several celebrity’s lives and both believe the family’s after money, one of which warned MJ.
And to listen to their story of being held captive, going back held again and going back and held hostage a third time, and MJ was still jerkin the kid off (pardon me) after Sneddon was investigating him on this, I’m sorry I just find it all way too much to remove reasonable doubt that this family is lying.
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I guess you would think that a woman who had sex before or was a prostitute could never be raped too huh? I mean who would believe a prostitute could be raped? Her and her troubled past!
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That’s ridiculous, I never said that. However I think if you find a prostitute in a strange man’s room in the middle of the night, it may be a little tough for her to prove she was raped.
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No..what I do, is look at the defendant and look at his past....his past is more important when I weigh that he has had these child troubles before!
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And when the accuser has had similar troubles before that removes reasonable doubt? What is reasonable here? MJ could have molested the children? Yes that’s reasonable. Is it also reasonable that MJ could have wanted to squash the publicity? Sure that’s reasonable as well.
What’s NOT reasonable is MJ smart enough to pick a trouble youth but dumb enough to admit on public tv that he sleeps with the kid. What’s NOT reasonable is that he’s smart enough to pick a child with a troubled past because no one would believe him then molest the child publicly in front of dozens creating witnesses to bolster a case against him. And what’s even worse is that you believe MJ is so uncontrollable that he had to molest the child again after the police were involved yet the child and mother is lying about being held hostage only?
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You need to take a trip to the police department, and allow them to fill you in on how molesters work if you believe that a molester wouldnt do such a thing.
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You didn’t answer the question. If MJ was so uncontrollable that he just had to molest the child again despite police involvement then how is it that he could restrain himself to pick and choose victims with only “trouble pasts”?
I think you need a lesson in how pedophiles work. If MJ was this uncontrollable pedophile you say he is, then most certainly they would have found some child porn or something in his house since he was rationing out his uncontrolled urges for the perfect victims. I mean how else would he get relieved of all those uncontrollable urges in the meantime?
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| Posted by: Jim Nasium | | what you're not seeing, oneofpeace, is that jackson is under the microscope, unlike the typical child predator. he can't escape the fact that he sleeps with little boys, especially since the world is well aware of it after paying off the kid ten years ago (or whatever it was) and after the Bashir documentary. His attempted way out of the whole mess is to fabricate a story about being overly fond of children. he has been seen by staff in aroused states. even if that is unrelated to sleeping with a boy, at the very least, he is guilty of that and displaying pornography in the presence of children. but c'mon, oneofpeace, deep down, don't you know full well that it went far beyond THAT?
again, i say that it doesn't matter if the mother and/or the kid are liars, connivers, cheats, lowlife scumbags, and/or anything else undesirable that you want to say about them. it's painfully obvious that they just kept their mouths shut for a long time, availing themselves of all the favors jackson was willing to grant, then at some point, got disenchanted and decided to blow the whistle and maybe get a little money out of it. two wrongs don't make a right. the mother and the kid deserve no rewards from this.
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oneofpeace said this in post #46 :
Things are not always that black & white (no pun intended) when it comes to lawsuits Mystic. People settle lawsuits for various reasons. JC Penny settled the suit because it was more so a nuisance. The publicity alone whether innocent or guilty could prove devastating.
As for MJ, he could have offered to pay this family off but he made no such offer.
Thanks for the law lesson, but Ive know enough lawyers to know this. Thing is that when it comes to accusing people of molestation, its more guilty looking to settle than to charge them legally.
If someone accused you of molestation, would you pay them off or would you make them prove it?
If I didnt do something, I certainly wouldnt give them money...thats stupid, no matter how you word it!
Ok granted however, how many kids did MJ sleep with over the last 2 decades and only 3 or 4 kids came forth? Does this sound like the uncontrollable pedophile that would molest the victim after the victim reports the crime to the police?
There are many kids that dont come forward. Think of all the children that were molested by priests that didnt come forward until years and years later!
I never said all pedophiles are smart however you say that MJ knew enough to pick a child with a troubled past but didn’t know enough not to molest the child in front of his staff? It just doesn’t compute.
MJ is not a part of that group and all pedophiles do not proclaim their love for boys publicly. You yourself just said that they would never admit molesting children then you turn around in the next post and say they publicly proclaim their love for boys?
You read it wrong. YOU said that they didnt just let people know what they were doing, I gave you an example that do.
Most get caught due to the victim coming forward.
I know I made that clear.
You didn’t answer the question. If MJ was so uncontrollable that he just had to molest the child again despite police involvement then how is it that he could restrain himself to pick and choose victims with only “trouble pasts”?
Because those are the kids that he could buy. Its easier to buy off silence with those children and their family than picking a rich kid whose family alredy has money and doesnt need MJ's.
I think you need a lesson in how pedophiles work.
Working at the police department, Ive seen more pedophiles than I care to see. I know enough about their behaviors and traits than I care to know already.
So, again, I say take a trip to your local police department and have them give you a lesson on who these people are...maybe then you might understand.
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Jim Nasium said this in post #47 :
what you're not seeing, oneofpeace, is that jackson is under the microscope, unlike the typical child predator. he can't escape the fact that he sleeps with little boys, especially since the world is well aware of it after paying off the kid ten years ago (or whatever it was) and after the Bashir documentary. His attempted way out of the whole mess is to fabricate a story about being overly fond of children. he has been seen by staff in aroused states. even if that is unrelated to sleeping with a boy, at the very least, he is guilty of that and displaying pornography in the presence of children. but c'mon, oneofpeace, deep down, don't you know full well that it went far beyond THAT? |
Of course he does...he already stated that he believed the former kids, but he doesnt believe this one.
I guess that he feels that MJ doesnt deserve to be in jail like the other scum molesters because of his status in Hollywood.
He believes the former kids were molested...and all he claims is that MJ needs help and not jail...maybe you can figure this one out...because I dont get it.
He deserves to be in jail like any normal molester. I dont see why he should get special treatment when other molesters dont.
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Not in a case when publicity could serve to kill a business or a career. It’s done more times than you give credit for.
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There are many kids that dont come forward. Think of all the children that were nolested by priests that didnt come forward until years and years later!
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Now Mike molested “many kids”? The story just keeps evolving somehow, however when the men came forward about being molested by these priest there were scores of others that came forth as well. This hasn’t happened with Mike and you are now baselessly assuming that he was on a molestation tangent.
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Because those are the kids that he could buy. Its easier to buy off silence with those children and their family than picking a rich kid whose family alredy has money and doesnt need MJ's.
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There is no evidence whatsoever that MJ paid off more than 2 prior accusers. Where is all the kids he’s paid off located?
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Working at the police department, Ive seen more pedophiles than I care to see. I know enough about their behaviors and traits than I care to know already.
So, again, I say take a trip to your local police department and have them give you a lesson on who these people are...maybe then you might understand.
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So MJ is the classic pedophile? Show me one case where a pedophile has gone on TV and publicly blabbed that he sleeps with children. And in all your knowing, didn’t most of them have something material tying them to pedophilia, like child porn?
I find myself defending MJ when that’s not my purpose to do so because I don’t necessarily believe he’s not a pedophile. But the stuff I see posted in these forums, most of it is ridiculous. I don’t carry signs saying “Free MJ” but from what I heard of the story this family is telling coupled with their past, there is too much doubt about it to send someone to jail because it’s all shabby.
In a court of law, if a witness is found to be lying in part of their testimony, their entire testimony should be considered untrustworthy. This is a classic case of such.
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I guess that he feels that MJ doesnt deserve to be in jail like the other scum molesters because of his status in Hollywood.
He believes the former kids were molested...and all he claims is that MJ needs help and not jail...maybe you can figure this one out...because I dont get it.
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Now I see why you’ve come up with your conclusions. I don’t believe you are a good deducer of fact.
I never said I believe the other kids, I said I don’t know their story. I could care less of MJ was the Pope or a regular guy on the street. If this family come forth with this obvious lie, coupled with a shady past of trying to extort money, then I wouldn’t convict someone on their words alone.
As it stands now you and Jim believe every word spoken about MJ and question nothing it would seem. I find that less than reasonable. Furthermore the fact that you believe this child even though you realize their probably lying shows pure bias for whatever reason, be it working in a police station or being exposed to child abuse itself in some way.
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| Posted by: Aggie | | It's peeps like oneofpeace that promote the acquittal of guilty criminals. There probably isn't a case in the world, where the best possible evidence (video tape, fingerprint, DNA, and the like) can't be challenged by the defense. There is a flaw in virtually everything that happens in life. A cunning lawyer can demonstrate that there is doubt about almost anything that can be presented as evidence by the prosecution. Almost anything! I have seen it time and again. That is what's happening here, and it disgusts me.
Years ago, a business acquaintence of mine demonstrated to me, using algebraic formulae, that one plus one did not equal two. There was no trick to it. I knew my algebra well at the time and every equation was factored perfectly, yet the net result was that one plus one did not equal two.
So that's how criminals escape justice and, mark my words, this diversion of proving the boy's family as less than upstanding people will, as oneofpeace says, be enough to convince jurors that every single thing that family said cannot be trusted. So sad. I just saw on Court TV that MJ already has a multi-million dollar contract waiting for him in Las Vegas, once he is acquitted. This is our jutsice system at work, eh?
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It's peeps like oneofpeace that promote the acquittal of guilty criminals…
….There is a flaw in virtually everything that happens in life. A cunning lawyer can demonstrate that there is doubt about almost anything that can be presented as evidence by the prosecution. Almost anything! I have seen it time and again. That is what's happening here, and it disgusts me.
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That opening statement is nonsense and I won’t dignify it with a response, however the latter part of your statement I will address.
You call the story that this family is telling about MJ is a mere flaw? I’d hate to see your examples of burden of proof. The bar is set high for a reason however this kid, his brother and his mother don’t come anywhere near that bar if someone used a shovel to lower it.
It’s ridiculously absurd to say that every prosecution case has the “flaws” that this case has in it. No one needs absolute proof but when you have an admitted liar on the stand, how can any one not find a reason to doubt the story?
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So that's how criminals escape justice and, mark my words, this diversion of proving the boy's family as less than upstanding people will, as oneofpeace says, be enough to convince jurors that every single thing that family said cannot be trusted.
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I see what the problem is now. Since you all obviously see that this family has conned people in the past, it troubles your sense of reason so you would call something like making frivolous accusations against JC Penny and their father smoke screen. Furthermore, you dismiss the ridiculous assertions that MJ “held them hostage” as they “escaped from Never Land” 3 times as probable lying but accepts everything else that’s said as truth.
And you compare this to tricks such as 1+1 not equaling 2?
I can accept that MJ could be guilty and has admitted such, however none of you are willing to accept that this family is on the take. You dismiss their past behavior as smoke screen and their current behavior as credible.
In that I find nothing reasonable about your positions. Other than Mystic saying that MJ had experienced similar accusations in the past, I don’t think I’ve seen anything else as reasonable.
As you seem to believe the prosecutors have such a burdensome task, I firmly believe there are more innocent people in jail than guilty ones that go free however that isn’t grounds to assume MJ’s innocent and I don’t.
It’s plain and simple. The story the family is telling simply don’t jibe. Mike has alarms all throughout the halls yet his brother happens to by past them twice, unlocking the door and watching MJ molesting his brother in his sleep and MJ never notices any of it.
Or how about the MJ masturbated him against his will no less and after the police and Sneddon was investigating him for molesting him earlier.
Or how about the “we were held against our will and escaped Never Land” then came back, escaped, the came back and escaped again and never called the police not once.
That’s just for starters. We won’t even talk about how they tried to bilk JC Penny for millions and endear themselves to numerous celebrities all of whom believed they were after something monetary.
Somehow these are “diversions”? Do any of you suffer any form of skepticism whatsoever? Or are you all so blinded by the weirdness of MJ to see that maybe MJ could be guilty but this family has a higher probability of being liars?
Now you all are entitled to believe the child in spite of all of this if you want but don’t tell me I’m the reason for the guilty to go free because I have serious doubts of the nonsense this family keeps finding themselves equally involved in.
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Oh yeah...JC Penney kills its business over that? As if!!
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I don’t know, maybe I’m having trouble making myself clear. Let me take another stab at it.
No business enjoy negative publicity. It almost always have a negative impact on profits and no one could accurately predict how much of an impact it would half.
Summarily negative publicity has killed careers as well or at least slowed them down. That is just plain on basic Publicist 101.
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You said: Ok granted however, how many kids did MJ sleep with over the last 2 decades and only 3 or 4 kids came forth? Does this sound like the uncontrollable pedophile that would molest the victim after the victim reports the crime to the police?
I said: There are many kids that dont come forward. Think of all the children that were molested by priests that didnt come forward until years and years later!
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I read fine, however your comment has a accusatory tone of saying that Mike molested many children and only a few came forth. Forgive me if I could have misinterpreted.
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Again, look above...I never said there were more. You have a tendency to misread people.
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Gesh I don’t know, maybe you should read. When I asked you why didn’t more children come forward you response was that not all children come forward giving examples of past priests activities.
Then when I asked you why would someone with such uncontrollable urges as to molest a victim again even after the police is investigating him for you and restrain himself from messing with the other children you responded with the “those are kids he could buy off”.
Now maybe there’s a communication gap here but it sounds to me that you are insinuating that there were more victims.
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And NAMBLA has what affiliation with MJ again? Maybe I’m a bit clouded on it. So since NAMBLA has a bunch of pedophiles they are the national spokespeople for everyone accused of it?
But seeing how you can dismiss the family’s bs accounting of events at the Never Land and their past similar behavior, I can see how you can make such a connection.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Oneofpeace, please keep in mind that many victims of child abuse never tell. They feel fear, guilt, and shame for what happened. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | I agree fuscia but then if they aren’t coming forth how can you hold someone accountable for molesting them in the past?
My reasons for doubting the accuser has more to do with him and his family, the story they’re telling and how they were surfing for celebrities than the belief that MJ is innocent. In good conscience even though I’m not convinced MJ is innocent, I could not convict him based on their shabby account which is obviously full of lies.
For some it doesn’t matter if their lying or not but for me I can’t put someone behind bars for years knowing that the story they’re telling was a load of bs.
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| Posted by: fuscia | | They could have been trying to get money from celebrities, but the kid also could have been molested too. Both could be true.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Well yes both could be true and I am not blind as most others believe I am nor am I naive. However it’s good to know that there are those who can agree to disagree. Thanks Fuscia.  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Jim Nasium | | oneofpeace, if i am ever put on trial for a felony indictment and the prosecutor has a videotape of me committing the crime, plus three eye witnesses, I'd sure want you on the jury for my trial, especially if it could be shown conclusively that my victim once lied. | | Reply To this Message
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I don’t know, maybe I’m having trouble making myself clear. Let me take another stab at it.
No business enjoy negative publicity. It almost always have a negative impact on profits and no one could accurately predict how much of an impact it would half.
Summarily negative publicity has killed careers as well or at least slowed them down. That is just plain on basic Publicist 101.
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