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Posted by: sordidmesh

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Tarik Ibn Osman Shah, 42

A Bronx man who wanted to set up an al Qaeda training camp in the United States bragged that he could smile at someone one minute and slit the person's throat the next, court papers reveal.

Tarik Ibn Osman Shah, 42, made the chilling boast in a meeting with an undercover FBI agent April 1, 2004, near Orlando, Fla., according to a criminal complaint unsealed yesterday.

Shah saw a girl nearby looking at him and he smiled back.

The Bronx man, the son of a Malcolm X lieutenant, then turned to the agent and said, "I could be joking and smiling and then cutting their throats in the next second," the complaint said.

Shah, a professional jazz bassist, brought along his instrument "so as not to bring attention to himself." Being a musician was a great cover, he said.

A bassist named Tarik Shah played on a tribute to Billy Holiday recorded by jazz singer Abbey Lincoln, but it could not be confirmed if he is the same person. Shah and a friend, Dr. Rafiq Sabir, 50, a former Harlem doctor who now lives in Boca Raton, Fla., were arrested Saturday and charged with plotting to train and provide medical aid to al Qaeda members.

They face up to 15 years behind bars if convicted.

The complaint said the plot was hatched Dec. 16, 2003, when Shah met with an informant — who offered to work for the FBI after being convicted of robbery in 1990.

Shah told the informant he wanted to find a place where he could train Muslim "brothers" in hand-to-hand combat, bragging he was an expert in teaching martial arts that are "deadly and dangerous."

The informant said he had access to a Long Island warehouse Shah might want.

Shah replied that he might have to hang tires in the warehouse because "I teach the brothers how to use swords and machetes."

He also discussed opening a machine shop "so you wouldn't have to depend on people to make your gun barrels."

Shah visited the warehouse Dec. 31, 2003, but apparently decided it was too far from The Bronx.

The informant said he knew an al Qaeda recruiter — actually the undercover agent — and a meeting was arranged in upstate Plattsburgh on March 4, 2004.

Shah said he had a close friend, Sabir, an emergency-room doctor "who has the spirit to wanna be right in it." He suggested the recruiter sell them to al Qaeda as "a package."

Shah and the undercover agent met the following April 1 in Orlando, and the agent asked Shah to make a demonstration videotape and prepare a syllabus on hand-to-hand fighting.

"We are one-hundred percent on the same page," Shah replied. "Since I was pretty young, [jihad] has always been one of my dreams."

He said he had trained "a lot of my brothers" who had gone overseas to training camps in Afghanistan and Yemen.

He also said he would like to learn about "chemical stuff," explosives and firearms at overseas camps, but couldn't leave the United States because he's a deadbeat dad.

The next meeting happened May 20. Shah and Sabir swore loyalty oaths to Osama bin Laden.

Shah claimed he and Sabir had been kicked out of a Bronx mosque for trying to teach urban warfare to members.

He also claimed that the U.S. government was training its agents to pose as Islamic fighters, adding that "the Jews were already doing this."

Shah's silver Chevrolet Impala was parked outside his Bronx apartment yesterday. In the back seat was a reminder to buy a DVD of Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who called 9/11 victims "little Eichmanns."

Neighbors recalled Sabir, who had a Harlem office before moving to Long Island and then Florida, as a caring man who tried to help people in the neighborhood.

Source: http://www.nypost.com/

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Posted by: h@ts

So have you got an opinion on this? What are you trying to say? We should all be living in fear? Muslims will smile at you one moment and cut your throat the next? What's your point?

Saying there are violent people in the world is about as perceptive as saying grass is green.

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Posted by: sordidmesh

That is exactly what I am saying. There are Muslims who will smile at you one moment and cut your throat the next. Maybe on your next flight it will happen as it did on 09/11/01 and then you will not be so comfortable anymore and have to realize who your enemy is, not sordidmesh, but radical Islamic terrorists.

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Posted by: brochu13

I guess, that could be said of anyone. Lots of people with a mental disorder could smile at you and kill you the next minute. I'm not saying that these muslims have a disorder, I am saying that this description shouldn't be limited to Muslims only.

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Posted by: sordidmesh

"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims." - Abdel Rahman al-Rashed

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Posted by: h@ts

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sordidmesh said this in post #3 :
That is exactly what I am saying. There are Muslims who will smile at you one moment and cut your throat the next. Maybe on your next flight it will happen as it did on 09/11/01 and then you will not be so comfortable anymore and have to realize who your enemy is, not sordidmesh, but radical Islamic terrorists.


So you think you're telling people who their enemies are? Is that just in case they run into any suspicious looking Muslims. Btw - how do you recognise the Muslim enemy?

Is a Muslim enemy more likely to cut my throat than say being killed by a teenage driver, or a God fearing Christian who's drunk too much beer? It's good to have a realistic perspective on life's dangers, so you don't end up a gibbering wreck, fearful of your own shadow.
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Posted by: sordidmesh

I am not fearful of my own shadow. The enemy however, is afraid of us.

Racial profiling is a useful tool in this war. Some say the technique is a form racism when it is really just one of the many logical things a country must do to not be taken advantage of.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

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sordidmesh said this in post #1 :
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Tarik Ibn Osman Shah, 42



Would I trust this cat sitting next to my 9- and 7-year-olds on our plane bound for Greece this summer? Not on your '72 holy virgins' I wouldn't! I would keep a keen eye out for him and any lookalikes in the cabin.
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Posted by: Dekka00

that's kind of what I look like, and I'm not Arab or Muslim...

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Posted by: nikiTa

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sordidmesh said this in post #7 :
I am not fearful of my own shadow. The enemy however, is afraid of us.


After this statement:
1) you aren't describing Islam
2) If you are describing Islam, you don't understand them.
What exactly are they afraid of?
Death?
Ha! They welcome you to martyr them in jihad. That's their entire purpose for living! They believe they will go straight to paradise if killed in jihad or for Allah's name....

So again, what exactly are they afraid of?
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Posted by: Curley Joe

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Dekka00 said this in post #9 :
that's kind of what I look like, and I'm not Arab or Muslim...


Allow plenty of time for yourself at the airport.
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