European Corruption

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Yeah, secular Europe in all its vile fecundity of corruption and depravity is truly a role model for the rest of the world.

So much so, that Europe has embraced Islam as a long lost brother.

SOWHATSTHETRUTH,

In detail, list me all of the alleged corruptions that Europe is engaged in, and break down Europe into the specific countries, governments and businesses that are currently engaged in this so-called corruption.

Don't make such inexusable statements if you can't back them up.

And which countries are you talking about when you said "Europe is embracing Islam"? Malta by any chance? Scotland? The Vatican? Maybe even Leichenstein. Pray tell me, my bristle on the brush of sweeping statements.

You humour me.

Preston

Corruption: A country-by-country picture of corruption in Central and Eastern Europe

Corruption (Top 50 Countries

Thanks Ron. I owe ya one. Didn't have the time at that moment.

I didn't realize there were 50 countries in Europe... But on the list of the top 50 corrupt countries in Europe, there were only 33... ???

Former Soviet Eastern bloc countries are now considered Europe.

The EU is considering Russia and Turkey as well to join the EU bandwagon.

Power hungry. They try to compete with the US, so they need all the countries they can get.

Pretty soon it will be hemisphere vs hemisphere.

And Canada is still part of North America...the wonderful country that it is.

It is wonderful. Wonderfully cold...

Now Mr. Ackerman,

That list that you gave me called "Corruption" table is hilarious. "Corruption" is a misnomer in this example. Have you read it thoroughly? Obviously not. Many of the measures deal with anti-corruption, the positive measures in place, which many countries are achieving since the joined the European Union. You've obviously just picked this site from the internet without reading it. So funny.

Example,

The Czech Republic: The 1998 government has made anti-corruption policy a priority with comprehensive legislation in place...

Latvia: The government has been active in working against corruption and has received World Bank and E.U. assistance and pressure...

Bulgaria & Hungary: Lobbying is not a matter of concern... etc

I love the way they're all ex-communist states on that first list. Funny.

Now, can I see a similar list, a "corruption" table of each state of America?
this is only fair if we want to see a balanced picture of corruption on a world-wide scale.

Every country in the world has its corruptors, my little toe nail on the hand of
misnomer.

SOWHATSTHETRUTH, are you a religious maniac or something because you were awfully defensive when I cleverly said that the world would be better off without religious mania and brutal military men (my statement here referred back to your discussion about the alleged flushing down the toilet of the Koran and the violent response from certain Islamic groups around the world – my statement, ergo, was not a generalisation, but a brilliant remark that was in harmony with your argument. Naturally, you criticised my response because you could not give me a concise answer to the so-called corruption throughout Europe.

If you want to play the corruption game, here are a few sites that might interest you, they illustrate specific corruption in the USA. See, it's easy to play the "corruption" tennis game. Any clown can click on the internet and cherry pick simplistic information.

Corporate Corruption
The Conflicts of Interest Driving US Financial Scandals are Being Replicated on a Global Scale by Joseph Stiglitz...

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0704-02.htm

Other business and political corruption in the USA

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations...122offshore.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations...0708layworm.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations.../0114follow.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations...3/0405mobil.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations...4/0115chief.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations...2003/1124us.htm

http://www.marxist.com/usa/corporate_corrupt.html

Police corruption in USA.

http://corporatism.tripod.com/corruption.htm#chi

As I said, you'd be naive to believe that nearly all nations do not have their elements of corruption.

Preston

and not forgetting the greatest corruption of all in recent history:

http://www.informationclearinghouse...article6930.htm

Preston..

Well done George Galloway for enlightening those Americans who have their heads buried in the sand of ignorance and fear.

Muslim populations in some European countries are:

UK 2.7%
France 7%
Austria 15%
Denamark 2%
Ireland 2%
Poland 2%
Nethrelands 3%
Germany 3.4%
Sweden 3.6%
Belgium 4%

Now apart from austria these figures are roughly the same as:

California 3.4 %
New York 4.7%
Illinois 3.6%
Indiana 3.2%
New Jersey 2.5%
US estimated average 3.4%

Since census information in the US and some Western european countries do not require you to give a relgion these numbers are estimates gained through other measures such as market research etc

My colourful parrot in the bird cage of tetchiness, you sound like a raving anti-Islamist judging by the tone of your senseless ranting (I forgive you – I put it down to the the great Christian brain-washing legacy). If you don't mind, if you want to rant on about which religion you hate, please do it on another thread – I'm sure there's one that includes the topic of superstition.

Yes, I include in my statement about 'brutal military men' both British and European and all the other twits who've ever worn a uniform and raped, murdered and vandalised nations that they've invaded. You see, unlike you, I dare criticise my current government and previous governments, I can also despise certain aspects of European political history (communism, fascism, Hitlerism, etc).

You asked:

"So what do you think of the European Union? Are you proud of the fact that national sovereignty went out the window with its inception? Will this be your cure for corruption and depravity?"

I am glad to say that Europe is coalescing into a clever unified whole, breaking down dreary trading barriers and setting sail atop a great ocean, which comprises a calm and exciting intergrated trading bloc. As for getting rid of corruption and deprevitiy, I can only say I hope so, but we'll have to wait, because there are fraudsters and liars in every organisation (The White House regime for example, as you're well aware).

National sovereignty going out of the window. I've no idea what you're talking about. I couldn't care less who controls Britain so long as it is done fairly, and does not compromise the wealth and happiness of the Brit' population.

Being part controlled from Brussels can't be any worse than being managed by a lying Blair-led government, which followed that amateurish American government into that diabolical encounter with Iraq (an invasion that dare not speak its name)

Preston

Lodgebo,

Interesting figures to silence that Islam hater.

Preston

There is no need for Anti-corruption if there is no corruption.

Mr. Ackerman, just how long have you been alive for? There is corruption in most huge corporations, governments and businesses. Anti-corruption methods act in the same way as laws do to prevent people breaking the law. It's a sensible and progressive way forward.

Preston.

Now for my Moderator hat...
If this is going to be a thread about corporate corruption, and europe I will have to split it and move it to the appropiate forum. So if we can't get back to the Koran and Afghanistan then that is what is going to happen.

And where all are these Islamic fundamentalists moving to?

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

And the winners are:
Australia 257.01%
Europe 142.35%

Where does Europe have the room?

The information I got came from national governmnet websites, EU, UN and 2 islamic websites ( for a fairer number )

As for your number well they stop at 1998 which makes them slightly unrelaible and the fcta that no ac curate numbers exsist maena that any figures that are posted ( including mine ) will nort be 100% accurate.

I would agree that the EU is not perfect yes there is corruption if you take 25 countries you will have corruption but every country has corruption and as long as the appropriate bodies are delaing with it ( whch they are) then we should let them get on with it. I find it intresting that China probably the most corrupt country on the globe has been saved a tongue lashing form you why is that? why is EU corruption a problem for you and Ron but Chinese is not? you could claim you simply forgot but in my experinece one has to only mention the word corruption and China springs to mind, the diffrence between EU and US corruption and Chinese corruption is that the EU and US activly deal with it wheras China does not. Surely we should all be worried about it maybe the US even more so as the USA biggest competitor will be China not the EU.

Also why is Islam in Europe ( thousands of miles from you) a problem? terrorism well the EU has had 1 attack and we do a good job of stopping terror attacks but another attack is inevitable just as another attack is inevitable in the states. We shoyuld not however treat all muslims as evil because of the acts of other Muslims if we do that the in Europe we must treat the Irish catholics and protestanst the same and the Christian or catholic Basque people, how many have died at thier hands?

Forgive me SWTT bus I fail to grasp wether your gripe is with Islam, Europe, or immigration maybe it is all 3.

If it is the first 1 then I know there is now way of changing your mindset and there is now way of getting through to you.

If it is the second then you should try and see the EU as not so much enemmies but as an ally and that if we work together then we can achieve much in the world. Yes there are countries such as France that the US does not get along but your closest and most loyal ally is one of the strong memebers of the EU.

If it is the third then you will know that US history was built on the odea of immigration and in some EU countries ( mine included) we activly encourage immigrants from all over as we see them as useful members of society. alos check out where most of Scotland immigrants come from you might be shocked I certainly was.

If it is all 3 then I would hat to be in that boat it obviously works for you but I could not live hating or dislikeing so many people.

A close friend of mine once told me that there are no evil religions, groups or governments just evil people acting under thier name.

First of all, why is it that when anyone is critical of somthing, someplace, or someone it automatically gets equated in people's minds that it stems from hatred? That is an assumption no one should make, especially since I made no comments of hatred toward any of the people. In fact this all started when I commented on sordidmesh's statement in the "Screw the Koran" thread in 9-11:

Sordid said:

SOWHAT'STHETRUTH,

You said,

"I did not bring up China simply because Preston Likely is not Chinese. He sits around criticizing the USA, as well he should in relation to Iraq and the Middle East...but he brushes over the European element that is just as culpable. Witness Paris 1919."

If you care to look through my posts over the course of the last two years or so (since the invasion of Iraq) you will find that I have criticised the Blair regime as severely as the Bush regime, ergo, seeing how Britain is part of the E.U. doesn't that amount to criticsim of Europe?

I will criticise corruption wherever it is, whoever it is and whenever it is, and Europeans will not be exempt from the microscope of my attention. If the majority of European governments had initiated the invasion of Iraq on the back of those silly lies about WMD et al, I would now despise them as much as the Bush cabal.

I'm here to find answers, ask questions and learn, not just to defend my viewpoints at any cost, which I will surrender at the drop of a hat if somebody presented me with a superior arguement than mine. There are too many people on inreview who just come on to defend their precious view point no matter what and will not budge even though they have been out-debated, and I'm sure I have been guilty of this behaviour too, but we can never truly learn anything if we just continue to defend a point of view blindly.

Anyway, I've got to rattle off to bed.

Preston Likely

I'm right there with ya Preston.
I have learned alot from many folks, including you.
And I must say I do enjoy your flair with the English language.
Even if I haven't agreed with you on something, I truly enjoy reading your words and how you put them together. Never told you that before, have meant to say something about your talent with the English language on many occasions.

Will mention something I learned today.
I had lunch with my favorite co-worker. He is from a very small village in Great Britain. I don't care that he is a secularist and he really doesn't much care that I am devout Jesus lover.
However, we look at the world with the same microscopic eye. We both see that this world is headed for disaster, its just that I believe in divine intervention and he doesn't.

Anyway, he mentioned today about the ruling class and how they are the ones who have been pulling the strings since day one. I call this group the elite, but we are talking about the same group. The ruling class is the rich, the upper echelon of the rich. These people do not work. They are not celebrity, in fact they hide behind any spotlight. They are ruling and pulling the strings of Bush, Blair, Chirac and on and on and on.

I said to him "you are intelligent, I am reasonably intelligent, what sets us apart from the elite? You and I cannot exploit others, squash them down in order to feed into our wealth. There is something in my brain that shuts down when I attempt to live off of the well being of others." He agreed and added, "take Hitler, he was a poor nobody, and something flipped in his mind and voila, tout de suite, he took control of Germany in a short period of time."

Well, then my friend went on to say, and this is the main point. The ruling class doesn't care what form of government exists, they take control anyway. Democracy is the best and purest form for the control of the ruling class. Democracy gives the illusion that the people have a say because they "elect" their leaders. And from that point, the ruling class gets hold of or has setup these candidates from the get go. So, when they are elected, they never do the will of the people, they always do the will of the ruling class. And if anyone complains and murmers, they always come back with "You have elections don't you see how free you are." Meanwhile, stooges like Bush and Blair rape the people of its money and its freedoms and take this mentality off to foreign lands to rape, pillage, and plunder. He said revolution has been the only way to escape such tyranny, not democracy, not elections. He wasn't espousing revolution and taking up arms, but he said this really is the only way. But then after awhile, the ruling class steps in and takes over whatever government and situation is the result of such revolution. So, it's basically hopeless.

And he added that this ruling class made up of a few wealthy families througout the world, doesn't live in America, even if they were born here. They may vacation here but not much. On top of that, these ruling families, caesars, wind up with nasty drug habits. Vice, money, weapons, and drugs seem to rule these people because quite frankly they are bored. They have trillions and trillions of dollars and nothing substantial to do, except take over governments and rule the people from afar without even the public knowing what is going on.

This, Preston, is corruption. This is what is running the "world" as we know it. Pushing global capitalism and democracy for *what* ends? Because these people are bored and have nothing else to do, but amass wealth at the exploitation of others? We cannot fight it, and I am finding it doesn't help to fret and worry over such people. Their day is coming.

And the difference between me and my British friend and quite possibly you is....I believe in divine justice for these actions. I believe one day their little house of cards will come tumbling down. And that there is hope.

I must mention a good book that discusses much of what we talked about.

The Power Elite by C Wright Mills Oxford Press, 1956

Excerpts online
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/B...PowerElite.html

The thesis of this book is that America is truly an oligarchy with the superficiality of democracy.
And it goes into great detail about their machinations and the hierarchal structure and how they interact with government, economy, and military.

SWTT first off if I ever implied that you personally have a hatred toward Muslims I apologise , that was never my intention.

these people that you wrote about are they like Illiumanati

No problem lodgebo.

Yes to your question. And the problem is that these people are slippery, they may have come from prominent bloodlines, money that goes back for centuries and centuries. When they came to America, many of them changed their names, go by various names. And like I said, they stay out of the limelight. The lists of the richest men in the world do not even hold their names. These families were trillionaires x trillionaires even in the mid 1950's. Imagine their "worth" today.

People like Bill Gates who is a billionaire, or Donald Trump do not hold a candlestick to these people. Anyone who actually holds a job is not in this category, they are considered new money and are looked down upon by these people and many are used by them promising more power and money and fame and vice.

But these families have gone back for centuries.
And the heritage hearkens back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel in Shinar (Babylon, Iraq). I find it very interesting that the new European Union parliament building in Strasburg is modeled after Brueghel's painting, The Tower of Babel. And also that in front of the parliament building is a statue of the woman riding the beast from Revelation 17:3-5 and Ovid's Metamorphosis (43 BC). For the European Union to claim secularism and tolerance as its motto, it sure uses ancient Biblical symbology in its architecture.

Further on from The Tower of Babel came the Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Greek, and Egyptian empires. Then the Roman Empire in its pagan and papal histories.

You will find the Illuminati/upper echelon freemasonry goes back to these ancient empires in its belief structure and symbology. Basically, they want to create another "Tower of Babel," one world unity, one world government, one world economy/commerce, one religion. And that is what we are seeing today...the beginnings and fruition of these efforts.

The founding "fathers" of the USA sought this as well. The symbology of this is all over the currency and architecture in Wash DC.
And the guru of American freemasonry, Albert Pike, writes praises to these ancient empires in his book Morals and Dogma. He also reveals the machinations of these people in this book. As he was one of these.

SOWHATSTHETRUTH,

I enjoyed reading your last but one post about the power-mad and greed for greed sake conversation with your friend. I agreed with 94.2% of what you had to say. Corruption, as you said, is, and probably always has been a corrosive force throughout the ages, in nearly all organisations, including religious institutions, and we should always try to fight it, and unite against it, if or whenever it is possible to do so.

And thanks for the compliment about my literary acrobatics. It adds a bit of flavour to things, don't you think?

Anyhow, I'm just going to retire with my can of beer and trawl through Inreview.

Preston.

Yes, Preston, your language adds much flavour to discussions.

I have been called many things but NEVER "My colourful parrot in the bird cage of tetchiness."

Oddly enough, this little pet name endeared you to me more than you could imagine.

Hope you enjoyed your beer. I am literally surrounded by 100's of thousands of gallons of it right now as we speak.