ISRAEL Expects full-scale mideastern war in 2006

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ISRAEL EXPECTS FULL-SCALE MIDEASTERN WAR IN 2006

Israel has reportedly expressed its belief to Washington that Iran and several
of its Arab allies are preparing for a full-scale war against the Jewish state,
possibly following the expected United States withdrawal from Iraq in 2006.

Unnamed U.S. officials told Middle East Newsline this week that according to
Israeli assessments, the departure of most American forces from the region would
lead to increased tensions and provide an atmosphere ripe for an escalation of
violence.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon “has relayed repeated messages to the administration
that Iran and its Arab allies are preparing for war,” one official said.

Sharon reportedly raised the issue with President George W. Bush and Vice
President Richard Cheney during his recent visit to the U.S., telling the
Americans that an Iran emboldened with the acquisition of nuclear weapons would
seek to form a regional alliance against Israel.

Israeli military intelligence reported earlier in the month that the Lebanese
terrorist organization Hizbullah is already planning a major offensive along
Israel’s northern border, likely at the behest of Tehran.

But Washington has been largely dismissive of Israel’s assessments of Iran’s
nuclear program and, therefore, the presence of any serious threat in the near
future.

"Our intelligence community has used in the past an estimate that said that
Iran was not likely to acquire a nuclear weapon before the beginning of the next
decade," state department spokesman Richard Boucher said on April 13.
"That remains the case."

Americans’ top priority in the region at this time, officials said, was to
ensure Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza and northern Samaria and the establishment
of a Palestinian Arab state on the Jews’ biblical heartland.

The birth of Palestine, the Bush administration continues to insist, would
effectively put an end to regional animosity towards Israel.

"If you resolve the Israeli-Palestinian issue, you've resolved the problem
with extremism," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said.

The Jewish state, however, suffered three full-scale, Arab-initiated wars and
countless terrorism attacks during the 19 years prior to taking control of
Judea, Samaria, and Gaza in 1967.

(Jerusalem Newswire, www.jnewswire.com, April 21, 2005)

Did you read this?

If I would remember rightly, the last nation, (in fact, the only nation since the war), that has said something along the lines of "well, we will nuke them then", came from Israel. This is not a cold war, since, Israel is the ONLY country in the ME that has "the bomb". If America had the nuke, and Russia didn't, there would be no such thing as the cold war. It would have been the "Russia backing down and cra**ing itself war". Israel refused to sign up to the non prolification treaty, exactly because it was "going nuclear". Why are we making such a commotion about NK and Iran, when we allowed Israel to flout international law and "go nuclear"? Is it down to a country that "invades its neighbours"? If so, why the **** does Israel have "the bomb", given that they have invaded ALL of their neighbours?

You let that post off easy, if you ask me. Good grief. It never ceases to amaze me, even when the president of a country is overtly genocidal, the disdain for Jews. In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of nuclear weapons. Which country did they use them on, again, in the past 4 decades? I must have history all wrong, because I always thought that it was the Israelis who kept getting invaded.

The comments by the Iranian leader are a god-send to Israel and they should make the most of it. I can't remember a time when so many coutries have so clearly taking Israel's side - they shouldn't blow it by doing anything stupid, like thinking this is a green light to attack Iran.

It's idiotic bluster from Iran and when Russia's start giving them a hard time, they've got to know they've screwed up big-style.

Bluster? Does this mean you feel it to be an empty threat?

Green light to attack? What would you do? Sit back and relax?

h@ts... honestly

Israel and "Palestine" have been going at it for thousands of years.

why is it inconcievable that Iran would use its military for genocide?

How exactly has support for Israel strengthened?

This same call for the destruction of Israel was mouthed by Arafat too...but he was not the leader of a UN nation state. People have bought into the nonsense that Israel has been the oppressor...and now they finally have opened their eyes to see the enemy that has stared Israel in the face since 1948.

If that is true that support for Israel has strengthened, I will only state:
It's $%^$&**%^* TIME!!!

What should be Israel's next move?
I don't know all the top secret details so I don't know.
And if I did I wouldn't post them.
Basically, it wouldn't hurt if they acknowledged their God and realized that He is their defense.

"Palestine" is a part of Israel.

The Arab Israelis in West Bank and Gaza do not want to be associated with Judaism, and so want their own state.

They need to just accept that they are part of Israel, unify the whole area, and move on.

I guess that's the best way to say it. Good job Dekka. A large portion of the blame can go to the perpetuation of the myth that Israel is occupying Palestinian land.

Errant means "wrong" H@ts. Go back and look through this forum and you will see all the evidence you need to understand the truth about "palestinian" people, and a land named "Palestine". Dekka's plan is a good one and one I think would work, BUT it will NEVER happen....because of Islam.

Brother
Islam demands the death of Jews and Christians, and it doesn't matter what H@ts thinks it says. It is well defined and redundant to the point of nausea. If you don't know this, it is your problem, not mine. When the president of Iran calls for the death of Israel and Jews, let me be the first to break it to you, that it is also the call of Muhammed and the call of Allah. Muslims hate Jews because Muhammad and Allah hated Jews. If you would ever grasp this overt position of Islam, you might one day understand the workings of the ME.

Now then, there is no such thing as a Palestinian, and there is no such land as Palestine. You are as informed on this subject as the other. I wish you would just go back and research it, so I wouldn't have to post the evidence again. And no, it isn't just me. There are many people who research facts and MUST come to this conclusion, but the majority have the knowledge only afforded them by their media, and thus wrong. It has been the home of Jews for four thousand years. Their enemies have attacked them and lost, that’s the bottom line.

Now, the last part of your post is the most disturbing. Ignorance of a doctrine calling for your death is fine( although the last time
the world was ignorant of such a hateful and violent doctrine, it cost us 55 million). The end time prophesies demand our ignorance and political correctness. Therefore, I am not surprised.Believing that there is such a people as Palestinians and that they own land occupied by Jews is foolish and uneducated, but I don't care what you want to believe. But to somehow call someone who exposes the truth about a murderous, hateful, doctrine "part of the problem" is not only ignorant beyond comprehension...it is deadly. But I fully understand why this is done to me now. The lack of evidence to counter my claims leads you to this lowly position. All this, just for telling the uncomfortable truth. Thanks for confirming to me... our chances.

This quote by a former "Palestinian" terrorist, now Christian sums up the entire situation of the identity theft of Israel and it's ownership of the land for many centuries:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” - Walid Shoebat

go here for more enlightenment on the situation www.shoebat.com

Never heard that one before nikiTa. Priceless
Many do not understand that the West Bank was part of Jordan at the time, and Gaza part of Egypt. Is there an article that you pulled that quote from? I will go look for it. I like the link you provided. Thanks

Perhaps you should read it before saying that it isn't there. Other than time and place, the Qur'an and Mein Kampf are identical. The only one mentioned in Hitlers religion, is Muhammed. I understand your point about the sects spawned from the Bible, but the very idea of religion is counter to the scriptures. None of them however, say that Jesus was a rapist, murderer, pedophile or slave trader. That is because it isn't true and there is no evidence for it. I don't care about man's interpretation of the texts. It either says something or it doesn't. To miss the quran's hateful, racial, immoral and murderous message, one would have to skip over 90% of it. It just isn't possible. That's why it is so easy to know whether or not someone has read it. Therefore, the only thing ridiculous, is wishing for something not to be true. Will you even read the proof?

Islam's thirst for blood is no conspiracy, it's right in front of our eyes.

There are thousands of them, and there is no other way to interpret them H@ts. I can show you 6 different translations that say when you meet the infidels cut off their heads... and I can show you 6 others that say to "smite their necks". They may vary slightly, these 12 different translations of the same verse but the message is the same. The truth is as clear as it is undeniable. “Allah’s Apostle said ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’”
The message is as clear as Mein Kampf, as undeniable as the Midrid bombings, as brutal as 9/11: “There is only Jihad.” Hitler, interestingly enough, repeated Muhammad’s line the morning he invaded Poland: “There is no more emigration now, only war.”
I wonder how many called mein kampf a "conspiracy"

It isn't rational to think I have mistranslated or missed the message over 5 thousand times .

Just because it says so in a old book doesn't mean to say people are going to abide by it or act on it or even understand it. It might also say give all your money away and love your enemies and be nice to people or whatever but most people don't do it and aren't.

The troubles in the Middle East are varied and complex and to pin it all down to some old text is simplistic. You are denying any responsibility for the interferance and actions we have taken in the region, Rice has admitted as much. We prevented change in the Middle East becaues we wanted and supported "friendly" governments, no matter how vile they were to their own population. Overthrowing governments we didn't like and supporting dictators does not make people amiable towards us.

Where to start. Hitler was an atheist, not a Christian. His religion was identical to Muhammeds, as they both have world conquest, eliminating all other religions, on the top of their list. The only difference is that Hitler was much smarter.
Regardless of how many ways you have HEARD jihad expressed, there is only one definition in the Qur'an. Never will you see it say "spiritual struggle". It is always full force, all weapons, war or fighting. So much so, that Allah will only excuse the handicapped from participating. Hard to explain if a spiritual struggle .

World conquest is far from being specific to Muslims. Take a look at the last 500 years and see who'd been doing all the world conquesting and then tell me it's Mulsims leading the way. America's history is soaked in the blood of Native Americans. White European Christians colonised pretty much most of the world at one time or another. Power is seductive and no-one needs a book to persuade them they want some of it. It's seductive, corrupting and dangerous.

The "Palestinians" are part of Israel. There can be no seperate state.

how come they didn't consider Jordan an occupying force pre-1948?

well let's at least stop referring to them as "Palestinians." They are Egyptians (Gaza) and Jordanians (West Bank).

I didn't want to over shadow this very good question, so I will bump it back in order to get a response.

I just don't get why Great Britian doesn't take more responsibility for cleaning up this mess. They promosied the Arabs a Palestinian state when they were running the show over there. Yet the U.S. has to be the peacekeeper.

-HECK!

devildog -

The problem I have with your posts is not that you criticise the Koran. I couldn't care less what it says in the Koran and I'm sure it's full of mumbo jumbo. What I do have a problem with is when you say stuff like - it is impossible to be a good Muslim and a good person at the same time, or Muslims worship the devil, or Mohammed was a paedophile. Even if you don't mean it to be, this is exactly the kind of statements far-right racist groups would love to widely promote, and rather than informing people of anything, it just feeds people's hatred and racism.

No, not at all. Used too.

-HECK!

Whoever gave Iran the idea they have "good sense"

Isreal now has 350 "Smart bombs" transported to them by the U S.

I rhink the bombs will be used to incinerate Irans's nuclear facilities.

Isreal is one of the world's most technicology advanced nations.

Anyone who attacks Isreal will no longer exist .

But who says the religious fanatics of Islam have any semblance pf having human brains?

Remember people, the topic is: 'ISRAEL Expects full-scale mideastern war in 2006,' not about the Koran. There is an appropriate thread/forum for that.

-HECK!

Oh yeah

we are talking about Jews/Muslims

but we can't talk about Judaism/Islam

the topics are intertwined....

I have to agree with Dekka. The reason they want to destroy Israel is because they are Jewish and not Muslim.

Arafat turned down a Palestinian State at Camp David. That would have given them statehood. He said the purpose of the 67 war was to destroy Israel. There are hundreds of Imams telling us also, along with their leadership, what they ultimately desire but we are too wrapped up in political correctness to see it.

Instead of removing Arafat the US, EU, Russia and the UN all wanted to reward this Islamic murderer for killing Jews by giving him this so-called West bank as his Terrorist State, in order to finish his goal of the total destruction of Israel. The reasons for their support are probably found in these numbers. Europe has over 24 million Muslims, In Great Britain there is over one million, France has over 2 million, over a million in Germany, something around 80 million in Russia. And the UN represents over 1.5 Billion Muslims. While Israel only has 5 million Jews, so with these numbers it just isn’t political correct for them not to be against Israel, right or wrong has little to do with it.

It's always the blame game, and it will never end due to the ignorance of the topic by most of the world. Their economy is in total ruins, but never look toward their Leadership who are getting very rich. Arafat was reported to be the tenth richest man in the world. How? From money given him by the US, EU and others to feed his people and rebuild their infrastructure. Arafat dies as a hero, while the ones donating this to the people are hated with a fervor unimaginable.

It should also be mentioned that from kindergarten through high school and beyond they are fed a constant diet to hate the Jews, destroy Israel, and the need to be a martyr. Surveys have been taken that shows over 80% of the Palestinian grade school kids want to be a Suicide Bomber.

And you know as well as I do, if you have any children, that kids have to be taught this kind of hate, in short they are brainwashed with Islamic hatred.

That was one of the best descriptions of the reality facing Israel I've read...kudos devildog.

h@ts:

I thought we agreed to stop calling them "Palestinians" and to call them Jordanians (West Bank) and Egyptians (Gaza)

H@ts,
The agreement would have given them(AA-angry arabs) ninety-five percent of the West Bank and all of Gaza. Statehood. And even east Jerusalem, including the Jewish Temple Mount. For what? A promise of peace. It isn't their land and never was. Continuing to say "palestinians" or "occupied territory" is simply a mantra. It doesn't make it true by just repeating it. Like nikiTa said, take it up with the UN. Do you even know why they were given their homeland back? There are many reason why the Jews belong. The most obvious is because they have thousands of years of documented history that proves it has been their home since the beginning( barring any time away because of exile)
Some say possession is the rule. Well, they are there and have fought off many attacks.
Maybe you want to go by the religious aspect of being the chosen vessel of revelation. They are right where they are promised by god and the Arabs BTW are right where they were promised land. Since Allah claims to have revealed the Torah, they haven't anything to cry about because he said this is their land.

You still haven't answered Dekka's query, and here's another to add. If all they wanted was pre-’67 borders, why did they attack in ’67?


nikiTa, Saw that you mentioned the little european that will form a covenant with many. You can't sneak that by me Just wondered where you thought he would come out of. Many think it has something to do with the roman empire but I think that is only because those lands are the same as the ones conquered by Alexander- which is what we are to go by, right. Everything I have seen points to a Muslim from Turkey- the same as Gog. What say you( or anyone else for that matter- many are very bright on the subject here)

In 1948, when Israel was awarded two-tenths of one percent as much land as was given to the Arabs, that was considered far too generous by the we-hate-Jews community, so they declared war. The Secretary General of the Arab League told Muslims living in Israel to leave so his armies could slaughter Jews more freely. In his words,

“We will annihilate the Jews in a massacre comparable to the crusades.”

But they lost that war. So calling the Arabs who fled, who are now in their late seventies, “Palestinian refugees” because they moved out to make it easier for their brethren to kill Jews, is macabre.

After the UN established the nation of Israel in 1948, Gaza was conquered and occupied by the Egyptians. The West Bank was conquered and occupied by the Jordanians. Neither saw the Arabs living there as Palestinians and neither had any interest in giving them autonomy—much less a Palestinian state. When these and other nations massed their armies on Israel’s borders with the express intent of finishing what Hitler started, they lost. Israel reclaimed the West Bank in 1967. They were hers and they are hers.

In 1949 the United Nations established UNRWA as a provisional body to provide relief for the Palestinian refuges. The agency’s director, Ralph Garroway said,

“The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the UN, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don’t give a damn whether the refugees live or die.”

How about this one from the Saudi ruling family’s favorite sheik? At the state-sponsored fundraiser to reward the good work the Palestinian suicide bombers were doing killing Jews, Buraik said,

“I am against America. My hatred of America, if part of it was contained in the universe, would cause it to collapse. She is the root of all evils and wickedness on earth. O, Muslims, don’t take the Jews and Christians as allies. Muslim brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion, on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. Allah made them yours. Why don’t you enslave their women?” Why don’t you wage jihad? Why don’t you pillage them?”

All of this hateful rhetoric can be found verbatim in the Qur’an.
Now, can you respond with evidence and logic or is it still just
"Jews are occupiers and that is a fact"? This is known as a mantra. Jews have thousands of years of history. I dare you to find the word "palestine" before 1920. You can't.

34 And Abraham sojourned in the land of
the Philistines many days.

That means he was a foreigner. The land of the philistines is the now Gaza strip. The philistines have been extinct for thousands of years and have no connection at all with todays arabs. They were probably a sea going people of Greek decent.

BTW, no need to put words in my mouth. Just ask.

devildog -

What exactly are you arguing for?

The Palastinians hate the Jews. The Jews hate the Palastinians. I could post stuff from Israelis who have called for the death of all Arabs, so what?

The UN couldn't force Israel into a two state solution because the US governments always rejected it. But now Bush is very gently pushing for it (although he's ignored Sharon's expansion in the West Bank). Bush has three years left and he probably wants some kind of legacy and Iraq will more than likely still be a problem when he leaves office so that leaves Bush with the the Israel/Palastine conflict.

So whether you like it or not, the two state plan could become a reality.

Oh, I realize that Bush will continue to fulfill end time prophesy, H@ts. It's just one more thing a real Christian would NEVER do- but ofcoarse, he's a bonesman . Isaiah is very clear about the fate of America and the reasons for it. Making Israel "thin at the waist" will result in further "pruning". While Muslims see America as Israel’s best friend, this nation has actually been the only country to loot the young state—and the U.S. has done it repeatedly. Following each Arab Israeli conflict, America has taken the lead in demanding that Israel abandon the Sinai, Lebanon, the Golan, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank. This was done to improve America’s relationship with Islamic nations so that their dictators would either buy American military hardware or sell oil more cheaply. The U.S. required Israel to give up something they possessed to gain something America wanted. The Scriptures say that we will be pruned right before the rapture because of it, and the next time you will see peace in that region will come when the