| Posted by: h@ts | | asantana -
This footage was shown on channel 4 news on British television a while back, and it was show again a second night too to try and get a response from our government.
The US military claimed they knew these were terrorists or insurgents but the jounalist on the news said there is no way terrorists or insurgents would EVER run along the middle of a street in large numbers like that knowing full well that they could be picked with ease.
He then went on to say they where more likely ordianary Iraqis, children and families trying to get away from the bombardment. The government afaicr stuck to the US line. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: USA1 | | What you don't see is what the pilot actually sees. This isn't the clear picture he has. It's a recording of that view.
I suspect that the journalist wasn't there or anyhwere near this action. Just hear say and destructive accusations to discredite the U.S. as usual. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | This has been hashed out like h@ts said a few months ago. There is so much propaganda out there, one simply cannot tell what's true and what's authentic.
Isn't it funny though how this stuff seems to be available in quantities on the internet? That should be enough to make it suspect. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: nikiTa | | Yeah its like a shot taken from a video game with sound added.
How difficult is that to produce and disseminate? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | | The US military accepted that it was their footage and their laser guided bomb that killed the people running down the street. They denied that these were civilians that were killed though.
According to a well known Lancet report of a few months ago, airstrikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths in Iraq. Since the Lancet publication bombing has rarely been reported even though cities in Iraq continue to be bombed every day.
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A study published by the Lancet says the risk of death by violence for civilians in Iraq is now 58 times higher than before the US-led invasion
"Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths."
Poor planning, air strikes by coalition forces and a "climate of violence" have led to more than 100,000 extra deaths in Iraq, scientists claim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/3962969.stm
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| Posted by: Wolf_eyes | | Thats a disturbing, but signifigant story. What does it say about our people (Americans)? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | It says we are right and they are wrong. Thats what they get for cutting heads off and hanging people from bridges. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #10 :
It says we are right and they are wrong. Thats what they get for cutting heads off and hanging people from bridges. |
The video shows us nothing other than the US has the capability of killing a large group of people with absolute ease. It's cold, clinical and visibly bloodless and removes the viewer from the absolute horrors of war, unlike the truely barbaric action of cutting off a persons head with a knife or hanging burnt and broken bodies from bridges.
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | |
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h@ts said this in post #12 :
The video shows us nothing other than the US has the capability of killing a large group of people with absolute ease. It's cold, clinical and visibly bloodless and removes the viewer from the absolute horrors of war, unlike the truely barbaric action of cutting off a persons head with a knife or hanging burnt and broken bodies from bridges. |
Yes.
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #15 :
Yes. |
How does our overwhelming force mean we are right and they - whoever they are - are wrong? If these are civilians, then innocent women and children have been destroyed in an instant.
The longer this war goes on, the more it becomes clear that America is a barbaric nation, with a people who have become too disinterested to care much about how it's military is being used to destroy people abroad.
And your broadcasters censor the reality of a war you started and support and paid for because Americans haven't the stomach to witness the death and destruction being done in their name.
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | |
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rowdy wrote
In what world is it OK to invade and occupy another nation that IS NOT attacking you.... and then have the audacity to complain when they strike back in whatever manner they can.
what else can they do to fight back? the tools of the freedom fighter/terrorist/guerilla soldier have always been shock over substance... they do not possess the technology to fight successfully on a conventional basis... so why should they?
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There is a gleam of ringing fact in these statements but I think there is more pretentiousness here than facts.
Not without respect for your position but let’s be honest shall we? These people attacking and beheading others aren’t Iraqis and it’s not their country either. And although our so called reasons for invading were obviously flawed from the start, this doesn’t give any of them a license to commit some of the most despicable acts in warfare.
Fighting a guerilla war is not the same as snatching someone off the street and beheading them while screaming “God is great”. These are sick people, sick. And although they speak one thing (like we did) their motivations are another.
Yes we are in a foreign land that never attacked us. And anyone who wanted to be honest with themselves who saw that presentation made to the UN and knew it was bogus. But all the hoopla from Muslim extremists about how the US is killing Iraqis and other Muslims is a bunch of malarkey; especially when they are bombing Mosques and market places with enough bombs to disintegrate a third world.
Indeed we need to change our protocols to reflect the principles in which we preach but nothing nullifies the heinous crimes of these hate filled religious wielding zealots are committing over there.
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| Posted by: USA1 | | Those "insurgents" fighting back do not speak for the majority of Iraqi citizens or Muslims for that matter. Some are Iraqis yes but, they are supported and run by those from other countries or the left over muderers of Saddams regime.
It is hard to belive that there are still those who believe Iraq and the middle-east was better off with Saddam in power.
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
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USA1 said this in post #18 :
Those "insurgents" fighting back do not speak for the majority of Iraqi citizens or Muslims for that matter. Some are Iraqis yes but, they are supported and run by those from other countries or the left over muderers of Saddams regime.
It is hard to belive that there are still those who believe Iraq and the middle-east was better off with Saddam in power.
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The fact is that many—if not most—of these "insurgents," particularly nowadays, are foreign jihadists and not Iraqis. Their bodies have yielded foreign papers showing they are mostly from Syria and Jordan. To include 'freedom fighters and guerrilla soldiers' in one's description of these terrorists, shows either ignorance and/or typical anti-U.S. propaganda.
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| Posted by: USA1 | | These so called freedom fighters are doing the exact oposite of what is needed to be free so, I wouldn't call them freedom fighters at all.
I am sure there are those who believe the coalition is there to steal their country and feel obligated to fight. Arab news and many left wing liberals spread this untruth as fuel for American failure in Iraq. Those are the ill-informed and a minority. This isn't going to fail. It may take a while but it isn't going to fail. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: h@ts | |
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USA1 said this in post #20 :
These so called freedom fighters are doing the exact oposite of what is needed to be free so, I wouldn't call them freedom fighters at all.
I am sure there are those who believe the coalition is there to steal their country and feel obligated to fight. Arab news and many left wing liberals spread this untruth as fuel for American failure in Iraq. Those are the ill-informed and a minority. This isn't going to fail. It may take a while but it isn't going to fail. |
If the US government had said it's policy was to invade Iraq, overthrow the government, and take control of the enormous resources of the country, would your feelings be any different towards any of the many different groups now fighting in Iraq? Wouldn't you just excuse US military aggression some other way.
There is a fact that you don't seem willing to accept (I'm sure Curly Joe does and is proud to accept it) and that is America needs not just the oil, but control and influence in the region.
Extremism in Saudi Arabia (and 9/11) was making that supply less reliable and Chavez in Venezuela is refusing to bend to US pressure. To help the US remain sole superpower (a clearly stated neocon aim) Iraq was a no-brainer option. The neocons stated well before 9/11 that Iraq was in their sights whether or not Hussein was in power.
The democracy angle is no different than the WMD and the links to Al Qaeda. It's for US consumption, to get Americans to support this war. Simple as that.
Iraqis know full well what the US is doing, but the many different political and religious and ethnic groups see an opportunity to control their own country. But to do that they will eventually have to get America out. In any major way, this hasn't even started yet. This insurgency going on now is small fry compared to what could be coming.
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Iraq Forum: see this
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