Terri Shiavo Passes Away

Euthanasia/Right to Die Forum

Just in - Terri Shiavo Passed away this morning. May she finally find peace.

Regardless of how you personally feel about this case, it's obvious there are no "winners" in this situation. Let's all unite now in the hope that the families effected by this woman's passing can begin the healing process and find some peace in their lives. Let's all unite in the hope Terri herself is now in a better place with no pain or suffering.

Here's to hoping also, that the hundreds of protesters, fame seekers and attention grabbing opportunists who have disrupted the peaceful dying process for the 70 other patients in the hospice will now LEAVE and go about their own lives.

Ijust caught the news Chel..Yes may she now Rest In Peace and a healing come over the family.

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Well said Chel!

I agree.

And the winner is! ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, FOX, MSMBC.

Let the lawsuits begin.

I'm sorry that this girl was murdered by the state on hearsay on her wishes and if her death means anything it will be in the bringing of this out as a major issue. I know I will be making a living will and make sure it spells out everything I believe and want.

My sympathy go out to the Schindler family.

As I have already said on another thread Louisiana is now in the process of reviewing to pass a Bill on Death with Dignity. That should prove interesting.

Until and at such time my living will gives my instructions.

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My sympathies go out to Michael and the Schindler family. Chel is right, there are no winners in this. Terri is at long last at peace and in a better place. I hope the familiy can find some peace.

I find it shameful that at this time the politicians are still trying to use this for their own agenda .

So much of the nation has focused on Terri who had no chance to recover. During this time there have been several children abudcted, raped, and murdered by child molesters. Why can't the politicans embrace this "culture of life" and fight to keep these predators off the street? The Schiavo case was a family matter, and it should have stayed as such. What in the world could be more precious than protecting the children?

I have my advanced directive filled out. Hopefully, everyone will go get one or a living will so that politicains do not try to make the choice for us if we should fall into these unhappy circumstances.

So if I understand this, one is not allowed to commit suicide unless they put it in writing, then it's ok. IE LIVING WILL!!!

However in this case she didn't have a Living Will so someone else gets to dictate whether she lives or dies.

It's not suicide.

A Missouri state case gave national precedent for this ruling that patients have the right to refuse medicine, food, and water.

Ron, we each should have that right to leave a living will saying what measures we want to have taken or not taken on our behalf. Perhaps the answer is to have a law passed that says that they will provide hydration and food services unless you direct otherwise. I would not be opposed to a law like that. It would make people go out and have their wishes know. However, I do not want some fanatical group telling me that I can not refuse food and hydration if I chose to go home to my maker.

I don’t believe I ever saw more misuse of a word in my life during the last couple weeks. Let’s look at Merriam Webster’s definition of “murder” shall we?

“The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought”

Now I know that this is an emotionally charged issue, however letting yourself get led by your emotions is definitely a recipe for disaster.

If we were to accept that this was “murder” then there would have to be evidence of malice. Although Mike Schiavo has been accused of everything from killing Terri to killing JFK, there is no credibility in any of the accusations levied at him.

It is the right-to-lifers, living will or not, whom want to impose their ideologies on others. Nothing in this entire case has signified bad intentions except for the Schindlers in their endless attempt to slander Mike Schiavo character.

May Terri now RIP. I’m sure she is was weary and tired in her body and never knew it. I don’t understand the religious right since they proclaim how glorious the afterlife is. Why is it that they’re always trying to stop so many from getting there?

Well guys its not over yet as the experts gather to do the Autopsy.

Indeed some are calling it a Homicide so fasten your seatbealts its gonna be a bumpy ride ...Yet.

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I agree with you Heavens.

This is why I am not married.
With marriage comes family-in-law.
They should have butted out from the beginning.

No wonder this girl had bulimia/control issues....I bet they controlled her her entire life...and then when she couldn't speak!?!?

I just call;ed my Attorney to amend my first will and see to it that my wishes are csrried out if i ever get in a position where heroric metjods are required to keep me alive. I have been too close to death in the past ten years to go thru that again.

I need to update my will now that C is gone.

I am asking for "assisted suicide" but ol Jack will be long gone by then j/k

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Where exactly....scripture and verse does the Bible speak on suicide? Phalaris?
What about King Saul?

Let's not get into religion here, we have a whole other forum for that.

Again we don't really know what her Will was except by someone who didn't come out with "her will" until he was involved with another woman and received a nice court settlement. He then convienently came up with the idea that Terri had mentioned this. And the only ones that agreed with him were 2 of HIS family. Everyone in her family disagreed with this being her WILL.

Bottom line is that once he introduced his new family into the mix, he should have reliqunished guardianship. I think if there is any fight it should be the determination as to when a spouse gives up their rights to make life and death decision concerning their spouse.

We have common law marriages what about common law divorces.....?

Its funny that you are still using the money as a factor for him doing this....there is nothing left of that money for it was spent on her treatment and on his attorneys throughout this mess.

AGAIN...if he wanted money, he would have taken the 10 million that the company offered him to give up this guardianship.

Secondly...if you look around you will find that it was HER parents that told him he should find another person in his life. They never had an issue with the woman he was seeing until he decided to grant Terri's wish...and it was then they made it an issue.

No but when you start a lie then you gotta finish it or end up in jail.

And I expect they figured that if he found someone else that he would give up guardianship which he didn't.

I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live, by loving the Lord, your God, heeding his voice, and holding fast to him. (Deuteronomy 30:19-20a, New American Bible)

And your point is what Delta? Clearly that verse is telling you what "life" he was speaking of choosing and it wasn't carnal, it was everlasting life.

Do you even know what you're quoting here?

I said it once, I'll say it again. It would seem that so many of you who believe in the better afterlife are sure in a hurry to stop those whom are weary in getting there.

I just wanted to express my sympathy to Terri's family, both her mother and father and her husband. No one has really agreed on what has happened to Terri in life, but I think we can all agree that in death she has finally found peace and release from her tragic life.

I had hoped that the family could put their differences aside for just ten minutes and be together and grieve and mourne Terri's passing as a family. No matter what has happened between the two parties previously, it is a tradgedy for them all that someone that they love has passed away and it would have been nice for Terri if they could have put that behind them for just a few minutes.

I have to say one thing about that priest that has been speaking for the Schindler family...how he has been talking about Michael Schiavo being a murderer an all (in so many words)...

What kind of priest is this???

Most priests I have encountered in my life preach forgiveness...he should be stating something along the lines that she should have been kept alive, but now that its done, we all need to forgive and work on the future.

This guy is basically furthering hate towards Michael Schiavo. He certainly isnt doing the right thing......IMO.

Like I said..this is like no priest I've ever dealt with.

A few words from the priest:

Thats nice.

This whole entire thing is surreal.
I am not certain I am dreaming this entire situation up...one day I'll come out of the Matrix...or this is avery odd psychotropic fugue.

The world is upside down.

http://www.inreview.com/attachment.php?postid=559132

Interesting commentary about Michael Schiavo...its kind of nice to hear someone stick up for the guy.

http://www.intellectualconservative...rticle4235.html

I have been on INreview for over two and one half years, debated in the hottest political threads led the Scott Peterson thread from the beginning to end and had heated arguments with Mystic and others, Therein are the differences.

You speak as though its the end of all of conversation. The Catholic position drives you into an emotional fugue and maybe you don't realize it but you are coming across as an arrogant know it all.

I leave my emotions, for the most part out of threads like this.

Save that for the political threads, where I too have called others Idiots or morons but not here

But you have to remember this whole situation is an emotional time bomb that isn't finished yet.

Last night on 'A&E they ran a special ( already) It was a bit slanted against Michael, but very interesting as to many of the most famous Neurologists who over and over claimed Terri was not brain dead but very disabled.
Her husband shut off all treatments for Terri in 94 0r 5, This meant she got nothing. Rumors from a nurse in the home said he was heard saying the ***** should die. she is ruining my life? Right? No difference cause I feel actions sometimes speak l;ouder then words.

He authorized no more treatment. She was left to lie in the bed. no TV no flowers no music therapy Nada zilch nothing.
This move in itself is cruel and intolerable punishment.

The films they showed which were brought to Court obliviously showed Terri responding to her Mothers kisses and one Neurologist examined her total body and one could see the resistance she was giving with a leg.
They also showed her brain scan and it was pointed out that any area that was Grey indicated live brain cells. Imagine that.?

Point being if a person can't talk does not mean they are a vegetable.

It were these films that made the court rule in favor of the parents two times and Terri's food and water were continued.

I believe that as the special said, husband finds new romance wants out of marriage and her death. Painting him as a high moral character is incorrect .He has moved on with his life, Common law wife, new family, why want this albatross on his back.REmoved.

People are just human and I guess he was sick of Terri and the money going out. Good Reason to stop all therapy?

There will continue to be debate on this subject, Now comes the Autopsy.

Dr Michael Baden was on Greta's show last night and offered a dramatic discourse on the Autopsy. In Fact he made mention of it being done to find criminal injustices to Terri even bordering on Homicide.

So one of peace I don't really mind your questions just when you hit me personally
. You have questioned everything Rebel; has stated and you friend you are no doctor. I admire his patience

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Lets be friends. I am really a nice Wonder Woman. Ha Ha.

I would think you woul.d keep our private conversations private but thats too much to ask of one who knows everything.....J/K I knew you would reply as we talked.

I have to get dressed, jujst learned my back brake lights are not working. And the techinicians are coming out to fix my blown gasket. Ha Ha

NOt my week. Wondering around in the rain yesterdsy 40 miles from home,I would have freaked if Ihad known. My Guardian Angel took care of me and I think Ineed him here on this bosrd at times Hee Hee.

I will be back and address your critque which by the way you didn't see the first twent minutes of,f you remember.

Lata

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Mystic!

You are a truth junkie!
You love the truth!
How extremist of you!

[Come on people love the lies hate the truth] Be an extremist for the "right" side.

Here is something I didnt see mentioned:

At this juncture Mystic, I believe the Schindlers would have said just about anything to stop the tube from being removed, even renege or recant some of their earlier statements. Certainly in their deluded minds they believe that the love they have for Terri is justification for slandering Mike Schiavo’s name all over the public.

Isn’t it funny that for 3yrs, they all got along great, then after the fall out, Mike Schiavo was the devil reincarnate? They accused him of everything since, even strangling his wife and causing this condition she suffered from and instead of reasonably sound minded people, though they disagree, saying that the Schindlers are obviously slandering him out of grief, no they are accepting all of the garbage chapeau that comes out of their mouths.

I understand grief and disagreement but when does character kick in? That is, if you have any.

Hmmmm... because that's what people do, Bob... they tend to believe the media, and what they see and hear.

We all know the story. How is it that with total absence of anything resembling truth, you can accept the slandering of Mike's character as fact?

I've said it before, the character assasinations one sided. That should be enough for the reasonable to question it.

Delta... you've RESEARCHED his character? What, are you a private investagator now... and you've been following him around, and PERSONALLY seeing things, and PERSONALLY interviewing him, and people who KNOW him???

Come on... researching what you can find on the internet, in the news, etc.... that's all slanted reporting. You pick and choose what you want.

Unless you KNOW this man.... you don't know ANYTHING about him. I don't know him... and I don't know what he's like.... but, it is NOT my job to judge... nor yours.

I hope people what people take from this case is that eating disorders are no picnic. You're lucky if live with minor injury, since you can turn your life around. You're lucky if you die because the pain will be gone. Terri on the other hand was locked in limbo killed herself enough to not be able to interact with the world, but not enough to extinguish brainstem function.

There have been very many nasty things said against the husband, and I think he was really trying to fulfill his wife's wishes. I can understand the parents grief and their inability to let go. How many people really want their children to go before them? But I think you have to step back and let the spouse decide. Not only is it best legally, but the spouse is the one that is there 24/7 so they know their spouse better than any parent will ever know.

As for the allegations of spousal abuse, I'll put it succinctly. She was bulimic. That means low potassium levels, which leads to higher blood pressure, kidney stones, bone loss, and higher probability of fractures. Her bone scan revealed injury to here skull, thoracic cavity, a vertebra, including here knees, hips, and ankles. Everything makes sense. Potassium level below normal adult due to bulimia. She probably exercised a lot also to lose weight, and she already has weakened bones, thus fractures should occur in the legs. She suffered cardiac arrest and collapsed (not uncommon), this explains injuries like those to her head and, according to her medical record, her knee. As for the thoracic cavity, CPR and resuscitation. The abuse claim is just another claim to slime the husband, which is unfortunate.

I guess more people will make sure they get a living will now.