President Bush MUST send U.S. Marshals into secure and save Terry NOW |
| Posted by: FreedomB4Peace | | This is what is going to come down to if the Supreme Court in Washington ignores this case today. President Bush will be forced to make an executive order and send U.S. Marshals to secure the Hospice and evacuate Terry Schiavo if necessary. Law is undermining Humanity.
The Republicans will pay if this lady dies. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Lawless | | Bush has NO RIGHT to get involved in this... gov't needs to BUTT OUT!!! PERIOD! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: EthicalAtheist | | FB4P--
Wow. You cannot be serious. Either you are playing devil's advocate or you are truly off your nut. Either way, you have no basic understanding of the Constitution and are therefore completely unfit to safeguard it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Aren't these the same Republicans that speak of democracy and freedom? I see, only if you agree with it, right Freedom?
The only people undermining humanity are those that seek to interject themselves in the middle of such a private matter as this. Simply put, honor Terri’s wishes. If you disagree with it that’s your business but certainly not your “right” to supercede hers to die with dignity. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: fuscia | | Bush is the same president who speaks of the sanctity of marriage, yet he will not allow her husband to follow her wishes. HYPOCRITE! The President has no business interfering in this matter. Terri has had due process and then some. You do not push your power because it violates your sense of morality. You follow the law and respect the decision that the courts have made. As our commander in chief, he above all people should respect the way the law works in this country. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: mystic | | I read in an article today that President Bush has already stated that there will be no more intervention. If I can remember...he said something along the lines that they have no more legal obligation in this case.
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| Posted by: FreedomB4Peace | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #4 :
Aren't these the same Republicans that speak of democracy and freedom? I see, only if you agree with it, right Freedom?
The only people undermining humanity are those that seek to interject themselves in the middle of such a private matter as this. Simply put, honor Terri’s wishes. If you disagree with it that’s your business but certainly not your “right” to supercede hers to die with dignity. |
And just what are those wishes of Terri? Do you have the certified documents that state her wishes? She is dying with SUFFERING. Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot believed in law too. Again you take no stance and stand for nothing.
What if this was a black woman?
What if this was a homosexual woman?
What if this was a Muslim?
You think Barney Frank would be as willing to kill in those situations?
The white Christians lose again.
You know I'm right.
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| Posted by: gaboman | | It doesn't matter who the woman is, gay or muslim or whatever; if the circumstances were identical, it would have no bearing.
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| Posted by: FreedomB4Peace | |
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gaboman said this in post #8 :
It doesn't matter who the woman is, gay or muslim or whatever; if the circumstances were identical, it would have no bearing.
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It does matter. Would the ACLU not be crying their eyes out to save gay, black or Muslim? Come on Professor.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Wow, I had no idea whitey had it so bad 
Not happy unless there is something to complain about, methinks of the republicans...
-HECK! | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: gaboman | | Dekka, quick with the picture of the crying baby; just change the word democrat to republican. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | |
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Freedom wrote
And just what are those wishes of Terri? Do you have the certified documents that state her wishes? She is dying with SUFFERING.
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And why is it so far fetched to believe that her husband and she had such a conversation? In fact, it is most plausible that they did so why the need for an affidavit? How many 26 yr olds have “certified documents” of any kind?
Secondly, Terri is not suffering because she cannot feel hunger. Comparing this to Hitler is a detachment from reality (no offense I hope).
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What if this was a black woman?
What if this was a homosexual woman?
What if this was a Muslim?
You think Barney Frank would be as willing to kill in those situations?
The white Christians lose again.
You know I'm right.
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No you are not right. This is not a question of black or white, gay or straight, Muslim, Christian or Jew, it is about the rights of a human being, a woman and her family. Government has encroached on this and they are blatantly wrong for inserting their will on such a privacy issue as this.
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| Posted by: Sayzak | |
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oneofpeace said this in post #13 :
And why is it so far fetched to believe that her husband and she had such a conversation? In fact, it is most plausible that they did so why the need for an affidavit? How many 26 yr olds have “certified documents” of any kind?
Secondly, Terri is not suffering because she cannot feel hunger. Comparing this to Hitler is a detachment from reality (no offense I hope).
No you are not right. This is not a question of black or white, gay or straight, Muslim, Christian or Jew, it is about the rights of a human being, a woman and her family. Government has encroached on this and they are blatantly wrong for inserting their will on such a privacy issue as this. |
You're wrong.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Swab.rm
She can feel cotton on her lips.
That means she can feel the slow agonizing pain of starvation.
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| Posted by: mystic | | I dont think you quite understand that reflexes like this are common in PVS.
These video's are keeping people from fully understanding the true nature of what the symptoms are.
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Schiavo's condition, described as a persistent vegetative state, family members can be deceived by things like eye movements and reflexes, experts say.
"It creates this ironic combination of wakefulness without awareness," said Dr. James Bernat, a neurology professor at Dartmouth Medical School.
That's because in a persistent vegetative state, the brain centers that control wakefulness are functioning, but those that permit conscious awareness of oneself or the environment are damaged or destroyed.
As a result, patients close their eyes to sleep and open them when they wake up. If a doctor brushes the eyeball with a wisp of cotton, they may blink. If something gets caught in the throat, they will cough. There may be limited eye movements, though patients can't follow a person walking from one side of the room to another, for example.
Bernat, past chairman of the American Academy of Neurology's Ethics, Law and Humanities Committee, said outward signs of persistent vegetative state can give family members false hope.
"There's a normal tendency of family members to interpret (random) movements as evidence of awareness," said Bernat, who recalled seeing that happen with his own patients. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Ken NJ | | Religion plays a powerful role in what we see in the media under George Bush with his push for "Faith- based Initiatives." Bush has wielded lots of influence in the highest levels of American government under his presidency to make weaken our democracy he wants to export around the world.
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Next he will start having Homeland Security start keep tab of who are friends and who Carl Rove considers foe. We all have to support the Fuhror. There is no middle grounds nor is he a compassionate person to tolerate dissents. No wonder we are NOT surprised to see this type of government seizure thinking - Bush brother Jeb will send in State Troopers to rescue Terry Schiavor, despite losing dozens of court rulings. Jeb has NO basis in Constitutinoal law.
"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.
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FreedomB4Peace said this in post
This is what is going to come down to if the Supreme Court in Washington ignores this case today. President Bush will be forced to make an executive order and send U.S. Marshals to secure the Hospice and evacuate Terry Schiavo if necessary. Law is undermining Humanity. The Republicans will pay if this lady dies. |
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | |
I couldn't open this stream but this I do know. Doctor's have said on more than one occasion that Terri cannot feel hunger or pain because the part of the brain that signals it is dead.
Now, judging from your post, I know you'd rather believe that she can over the advise of medical expertise and that's fine but in I'd rather believe those in whom their expertise reside over rejection.
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| Posted by: chelktty | | The doctors that are monitoring Terri's condition in the hospice can administer drugs to prevent the feeling of pain from the dehydration and starvation process. Besides, doctors and nurses have been coming forward on the local talk radio stations here in Tampa explaining that after a few days of depravation of food and water, the body emits a natural euphoric feeling, not pain.
Personally I think if she has been conscience all these years she'd be in more pain knowing she cannot move, communicate or function. A person would certainly lose their mind after only a few years. I submit she suffers more by being kept in this manner for all these years.
As for the topic of this thread, it's simply assinine to demand that the government send in troops to interfere with a personal and family issue. Terri is not hiding any WMD under her pillow, she's not committing mass genocide, the government needs to stay the hell out of it. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: adityamahesh | | There is one reason I never responded to the original post of this thread: Anyone who believes and quotes Michael Savage, writer of "Liberalism is a mental disorder" is not worth responding to.
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | Liberalism is a DANGEROUS mental disorder. Liberals are responsible for all that is evil in this world. Liberalism is at fault for all of the child abductions, molestations, rapes, murders and drug addiction that there is. Liberals are going to get us all killed. Rats in black robes don't run the world, but sadly liberalism does. Death to liberalism. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | |
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adityamahesh said this in post #20 :
There is one reason I never responded to the original post of this thread: Anyone who believes and quotes Michael Savage, writer of "Liberalism is a mental disorder" is not worth responding to.
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Who should we believe then? Howard Stern? Al Franken? Sewer rats in black robes? Hitler? Madonna?
YOU are the one making the discriminating and biased remarks. Your mind is so warped that you don't even realize that when you type "Anyone who believes and quotes Michael Savage is not worth responding to", you are segregating.
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| Posted by: niwrad428 | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #21 :
Liberalism is a DANGEROUS mental disorder. Liberals are responsible for all that is evil in this world. Liberalism is at fault for all of the child abductions, molestations, rapes, murders and drug addiction that there is. Liberals are going to get us all killed. Rats in black robes don't run the world, but sadly liberalism does. Death to liberalism. |
There really is no sensible reason to debate with crazy!
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| Posted by: HECK! | |
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sordidmesh said this in post #21 :
Liberalism is a DANGEROUS mental disorder. Liberals are responsible for all that is evil in this world. Liberalism is at fault for all of the child abductions, molestations, rapes, murders and drug addiction that there is. Liberals are going to get us all killed. Rats in black robes don't run the world, but sadly liberalism does. Death to liberalism. |
Man, you're a little out there, aren't you?
-HECK!
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | sordidmesh may be right.
Conservative=small government=NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN A FAMILY AFFAIR.
I don't see why they don't just lethally inject her though... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: oneofpeace | | Terri's dad has already accused the doctor's of trying to do this. It will never fly among those who seem to know what Terri wanted better than her husband did.
However, euthanasia is not an option in this country. Ultimately all those screaming she didn’t get due process will compare Terri to a rabid dog at the Vet. | | Reply To this Message
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