Michael may not have good intentions.

Euthanasia/Right to Die Forum

Today in a Fox News Exclusive, they interviewed an RN who cared for Terri around 1995. At that time she had Terry eating from a baby bottle, speaking saying things like Hi, Pain and a few other words. Should would sit in a chair in the lobby and smile at people as they came in.

She also checked Terri's vital signs often. She said Terri was doing very well then all of a sudden after a visit from her husband Michael she regressed. Upon taking her vitals and blood sugar she found her blood sugar to be ZERO. This could only mean one thing. She got a shot of insulin. So she looked and found needle marks on her and checked the waste basket and found a syringe hidden under other items in the basket.

She also said that Michael would say nasty things like When is that b**ch going to die.

She flat accused Michael of trying to kill Terri with insulin.

Oh and the RN was fired, she also went to the police concerning Michaels actions.

Why is he getting away with this?

Was she fired for reporting this?

I heard about this..

Here is my problem with it...

She waited until NOW to say something? Where has this woman been all this time?

If she called the police...where's the police report?

I also heard that she said that he ripped stuff out of her medical records...as if! How does someone get their hands on someone else's medical records? This nurse left her records in the room? ALL of them? She never documented any of this...never TOLD any of this to anyone...Oh, until now.

Where does he get a syringe filled with insulin? Another police report never documented by either the police or the doctors? She obviously never reported it to the doctors...anyone wonder why? Maybe because it never happened?

I think this lady is trying to start something now because of this...obviously we know where she stands on this issue.

There is NO documentation of this ever happening...no records by her...no records by the police...no records from the doctors.

No records by anyone at all..but we are supposed to take her word for it without anything at all to back her words up?

Now...Im sorry...exactly who is the one with an agenda here?

Exactly!

If this had happened, she would NOT have waited. This is all bs. I'm sorry... it's call, 'A little too late!" People will do ANYTHING to get famous, for 15 minutes, or to make a buck.

I think the husband looks a little suspect in this. I mean, I've been watching him on CNN and all the interviews and he comes across as a real stubborn arse! Even worse than Terri's parents. I think he wanted her to die early on for the money and when he lost it all to the lawyers, is seeking vengance on Terri's parents because he can. I don't like this guy at all!

I truly feel for Terri and I wish we knew what her wishes were from her own testimony and I wish if she is even 1% with us that she has hope for improvement and possibly regain some of her brain activity. If she is 'really brain-dead" it is sad for us to keep her alive knowing that she is alive only to die. She has no real life and no function left. Her tube is out now 4 days (I think) and THAT'S suffering.

I don't know if I feel as strong as some of the posters here, but I do believe she should have been dealt with earlier. It's been 15 years of suffering for her, or 15 years of hanging on by a thread.


I coudn't imagine anyone playing GOD, can you?

If you read the article I posted here it's actually two different nurses who have reported seeing these things, not just one.

Im sorry....but where have these women been all this time?

If they thought there was some abusive nature by him...they should have documented it and put it down in writing...to come out and now say that they witnessed this...I dont know...

Now we dont just have one nurse who didnt document anything, but now we have two.

If these women saw anything at all...they could have called a social worker...but they never did that.

It isnt like this happened in the 70's...this happened (so they say) in the 90's. People were well aware of the rights of patients then.

It doesnt take anything to make a call to the hospital social worker or doctors or staff....seems that if they did see something, they were negligent in their actions themselves.

I know..the one women said she went to the police....but she went there with an accusation but no proof to back it up. Who else did she tell? Obviously no one.

I mean who goes to the police without telling anyone at the hospital first? She didnt even tell the hospital administration? She just went to the cops with some flimsy story that couldnt be proved without telling another single person?

It is in writing in a sworn affidavit which the courts have had the opportunity to see.
The affidavit was given before witnesses with perjury being the result of any mistatement.

And she told her immediate supervisor.
The police came to her house for a statement. And she was let go from her job the next day.

By the way, in regard to the needle sticks, if you see track marks on a drug addict's arms does that mean that he is not a user because you didn't see him actually injecting himself?

I think we don't know the whole story in this entire situation.
As much as the publicity etc....there are alot of unanswered questions.

Like why won't he divorce her?
He had another relationship one year afterward...he's sleeping with other women...why does he hang onto marriage...just so that she will die in dignity? I can't imagine he won't divorce her for religious reasons!

A 3 million dollar offer and he turns it down...all so that she can die in dignity?
I'm not buying that side of the story either.

It's a clusterfluegen to say the least.

According to this nurse, Michael would go into her room, shut the door and request that no one come in. That's when her blood sugar dropped and she found the needle of insulin. She also said that he was extremely intimidating with the staff all the time. His comments about "When will this b die" etc were made before staff and visitors.

Why did it take 7 years for him to come to the realization that Terri had verbalized a "living will"?

Answer: Another family, insurance and inheritance.

Well..this is just how I feel at this point. There is only the he said/she said with the nurse and the husband.

I cant argue anything else without much more needed facts.

Where is this $700,000?
She has been getting no speech therapy, physical therapy, rehabilitation whatsoever.
The family has been wanting to provide these things, but Schiavo won't allow it.

Divorce her. Why won't he divorce her? Will he not receive this 700K if he divorces her? No wonder he wants her dead as soon as possible.
And with all these other allegations, there may be another motive.

It's all very fishy.

He has denied her any therapy, she hasn't seen that outdoors for years. He has denied any work with her in eating normally.

I think the courts should apply the feeding tube long enough to send her to a team of doctors to run her throught every test they can think of. If they then come back and say she is a lost cause then so be it.

Just as in the Scott Peterson case, Divorce is always an option.

I found this to be interesting:

I thought it was her husband...in actuality, the nurses claim they saw the marks after her parents left.

Police Cite "No Reason For Concern" Over Terri Schiavo's Puncture Marks
By Dave Reynolds, Inclusion Daily Express
March 30, 2004

CLEARWATER, FLORIDA--Terri Schiavo was rushed to a hospital emergency room Monday night, after nursing home workers reported finding what appeared to be marks made by a small hypodermic needle on her arms.

Terri was returned to the nursing home a few hours later, after toxicology and blood tests found no unauthorized drugs or other substances in her system.

"There is no reason for concern," Clearwater Police spokesman Wayne Shelor said. "Neither my detective who stopped by the scene at the hospital, nor the medical experts found anything that gave them any pause."

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, said the five small puncture wounds -- four on one arm, and one on the other -- indicated that Terri had been a victim of battery.

"It appears that someone was either trying to inject Terri Schiavo with something or withdraw fluids from her," Felos said. "Even if there was nothing injected in her body, there is certainly evidence of an unpermitted physical contact, a battery on her."

Nursing personnel said they noticed the marks immediately after Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, visited her for 45 minutes.

Mr. Schindler told a local television station that nothing was wrong when he left Terri. He denied inserting a needle into her arms.

George Tragos, an attorney representing the Schindlers, said it was "absurd" to suggest that Terri's parents were responsible for the marks.

"It's just another mean-spirited attack designed to get some judicial advantage," Tragos told the Associated Press.

Mr. Schiavo has ordered that Terri have no visitors until authorities have completed their investigation.

The Schindlers and Michael Schiavo have been waging a legal war over Terri's life for the past six years. While her parents believe she responds to her environment and is alert, her husband believes she has been in a "persistent vegetative state", that she cannot interact with her surroundings, cannot feel pain, and will not recover from her 1990 brain injury. He petitioned the court in 1998 to have her feeding tube removed, claiming that she told him before her injury that she would not have wanted to live "by artificial means".

The courts ordered her feeding tube removed so she would die of starvation and dehydration on October 16, 2003. Governor Jeb Bush, responding to tens of thousands of messages from disability rights advocates and right-to-life supporters, championed "Terri's Law" through the Legislature, giving him permission to have the feeding tube reinserted six days later.

Mr. Schiavo immediately sued the governor, claiming that the law violated Terri's privacy, along with the Florida Constitution. That case is still pending.

On Monday afternoon, Pinellas County Circuit Judge George W. Greer denied the Schindlers' motion seeking to have Mr. Schiavo defend their claims that he is violating a 1996 court order which required him to share medical information about Terri. Schiavo argued that he has shared sufficient information with them through attorneys, which he claimed is the accepted protocol.

Appeals Court Wants Schiavo Case On Fast Track To Supreme Court;
Police Find No Criminal Intent Behind Puncture Marks
By Dave Reynolds, Inclusion Daily Express
May 14, 2004

CLEARWATER, FLORIDA--There were two major developments in the case of Terri Schiavo, during the week that followed a local court's decision to toss out the law which has kept her alive since October.

On Wednesday, the 2nd District Court of Appeal indicated that it wants the state's challenge to a May 6 Pinellas Circuit Court decision moved quickly to the state Supreme Court. It gave Governor Jeb Bush and Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, 10 days to explain why the ruling that overturned "Terri's Law" should not bypass the appeals court and be sent directly to the high court as "a matter of great importance requiring immediate resolution."

On Friday, Clearwater police said that puncture marks discovered on Terri's arm on March 29 were not caused deliberately and that a device found in her bed was actually a connector for medical feeding and irrigation tubes.

Michael Schiavo restricted visits to his wife when he suspected that Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, used a hypodermic needle to inject something into her.

Police Chief Sid Klein said their investigation found no evidence of harm, injury or violation from a criminal act. Toxicology tests found nothing unusual in Terri's blood. Klein said it was likely that the marks came from a lift used to transport Terri at the nursing home.

http://www.inclusiondaily.com/archi.../14.htm#schiavo

Yeah right.
Her affidavit said she worked in a nursing home.
She has been in nursing homes and hospices not hospitals.
I have obviously all along been stating this nurses statements.

RE post 26. We don't know what's the truth in this situation.

Has someone included the CIA in on this because there is more disinformation regarding this case than I have had to endure watching the entire Iraqi conflict unfold!

This was interesting as well:

A snippet of an article I found: So they are claiming the hospice and hospital are also to blame...

Doesnt anyone see that this is wierd. Now they are saying he had influence on a hospice, and a hospital as well?

Anyhow...

Sept, 3 2003.

Attorney named as 'non-party co-conspirator' to civil rights violations

The lawsuit filed by Terri's parents accuses Schiavo, both personally and in his official capacity as Terri's legal guardian, of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act for refusing to provide appropriate medical care and rehabilitation therapy, which are required by the law and for seeking to deprive her of nutrition and hydration, which is forbidden by the law.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney and a noted author and advocate in Florida's so-called "right to die" movement, is also named as a "non-party co-conspirator" in the lawsuit. The Schindlers allege that Schiavo, with Felos' help, sought to deprive Terri of her due process rights under the Fifth and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

The suit charges that Terri was denied a guardian ad litem during most of the legal proceedings in which her husband sought to end her life and, the remainder of the time, suffered from "ineffective assistance of counsel, due process violations, and blatant conflict of interest with Terri's guardian, defendant Michael Schiavo," who is responsible for seeing that her legal interests are represented.

The only guardian ad litem and the only attorney to represent Terri prior to her parents' intervention in the case were removed when the attorney suggested that Michael Schiavo had a conflict of interest that prohibited him from serving as Terri's guardian.

The complaint also alleges that Schiavo and Felos conspired to deprive Terri of access to her priest in violation of the First Amendment and that the use of a 1999 Florida law in her case represented a Fifth Amendment due process violation of the constitutional prohibition on ex post facto legislation since Mrs. Schiavo had suffered her injury in 1990.

All of the cumulative rights violations are alleged under 42 USC 1983, which provides that, "Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress."

The hospice where Terri Schiavo is being kept and the hospital where her infection was supposed to have been treated are also accused of violating the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. That law requires that "handicapped" receive comparable medical care to that given able-bodied patients with similar conditions or injuries. Both facilities are subject to the Rehabilitation Act because they receive federal Medicare funding. The hospital is also charged with violating provisions of the Social Security law in 42 USC 1395dd, which requires the examination and appropriate treatment of emergency medical conditions and forbids the discharge of patients before their conditions are stabilized. The Schindlers believe their daughter was prematurely discharged from the hospital on more than one occasion in an attempt to hasten her death.

Felos accused the Schindlers of trying to subvert the Florida justice system.

"The purpose of this lawsuit is to invalidate the lower court's decision," Felos told the Tampa Tribune Tuesday.

U.S. District Judge Richard Lazzara gave the Schindlers ten days to file an amended version of their lawsuit and offered Felos an additional ten days to respond. He would not, however, block a hearing scheduled for Sept. 11, during which Pinellas-Pasco Florida Circuit Judge George Greer is expected to set a date for Terri Schiavo's feeding tube to be removed.

Attorneys for both sides told reporters after the emergency hearing Tuesday that they do not expect Greer to set that date any earlier than the 20-day period set by the federal court for the Schindlers' amended complaint and Felos' response.

You know what Id like to see...

How is his relationship with the woman he is with now?

I wonder if anyone has witnessed something there?

I mean if he isnt abusive to her??

I wonder if anyone has said anything about that.

Needles aren't only used for injecting things INTO People, they're also used for taking things OUT, it's possible her parents heard the rumours and took a blood sample to have her blood tested independantly for insulin, etc.

It's far-fetched, but so are a lot of the other allegations going around.

He does have a young child with this woman.

I watched two Larry King Live shows that he was on. ONe from 2003 and the one last night. I also have watched the Schindlers on various programs. Michael had evidence. I also have worked at hospitals, and my sister is a nurse who has worked in nursing homes. You have to be the voice for your loved one. I was surprised that Michael tried therapy for Terri for so many years. Did you all know that he had the aide taking her to the mall, going outside, doing her makeup and hair, anything to try to stimulate her and bring her back?

We need to mention that he turned down 3 million dollars that was offered to him to turn custody of Terri over to her parents. So, if he was after money, he could have had it.

The promise was to make sure that she did not ever end up with tubes in her body and being dependent on them. Terri is only there in body. Everything that made her Terri is gone. That is a case where you should not throw stones unless you have been in this man's shoes.

I dont understand this "until death do you part" argument

He wasnt supposed to go on with his life until this mess was cleared up?

I mean she is gone.

Im sure this wouldnt even be a concern if her parents hadnt fought him on this for 15 years.

The man deserves a life. Just because her parent chose this route didnt mean that he had to put everything in his life on hold.

I would expect my husband to move on if I were like that...

Well put, mystic... he does deserve a life.

Oh please... he's stood by her side, for everything. I would love to see you, or anyone else, in his shoes.

Oh, and how about lawful... lets talk about that. He is the husband. I think that he KNOWS what his wife wanted... and tried to give her what she asked for.

If he divorced her that would put her at her parents mercy, and they have stated in court that they do not care what Terri wanted, they want their way, they want her alive. He did the right thing.

Neither do her parents. You don't tell lies on national TV.

For the record, Terri told her best friend and two other relatives her wishes.

Who says that HE doesn't have it? YOU? Well, you're judging him. You aren't IN HIS SHOES! And until you are... don't cast stones at him. You have NO IDEA what he's been through.

Actually Emma... YES, I did go through it... with my former father in law. I watched my husbands family, and what they went through (and what I went through too... for that man was my father as well). It was the hardest decision that was made (and we all did it, as a family, together).

What Sherry, Mystic and KJ seem to be saying is that it's alright for him to have renegged on his wedding vows because she's in PVS, but we should applaud him for not renegging on his promise to not let her life supported by tubes?

Why in your minds is that second promise greater than the first one? Why doesn't it matter that he keeps his wedding vow, it matters more that he keeps this other promise? His wedding vows were done publicly, supposedly in covenant with God and the second promise was just a conversation between two people.

His wedding vows end because his wife is PVS, but his obligation to her not living by tubes has to endure? He should be allowed to move on and remarry but not move on and walk away from his ex-wife?

You can't really have one without the other IMO.

She is DEAD!!! She is NEVER, EVER coming back. She has NO BRAIN!!!! Why can't you understand that???

I guess that it's okay to break laws in life, as long as they "fit" your life... but as soon as it's something that you have issue with, then whoa...

I think Terri would want her husband to move on with his life and be happy. All things being equal, 'death' parted them all those years back.

-HECK!

Emma, his wife died LONG ago. That part that made her Terri is gone. That is not a difficult concept to grasp. The part of her brain that is conscious and contains her personality was liquified. She is unable to ever be a partner to him. She is unable to ever be ANYTHING to anyone again in any capacity close to what she was. So, he is married to her still to protect her. Yes protect her and see that her wishes reguarding her life are carried out. It takes an act of love to put up with all the name calling and B.S. that has been dished out his way.

I think we're talking semantics here people.

You can talk spirituality, medical evidence, etc., what it looks like this debate is boiling down to is perception of the facts at hand.

-HECK!

I am assuming the hubbie hooked up with this chick after Terri went into the coma?

-HECK!

Why should he let go of his responsibility to see her wish carried through? I wouldn't allow someone to take that away from my Love. NEVER!!!