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Posted by: Curley Joe

Three Cheers for the Bush Doctrine

Monday, Mar. 07, 2005

Jon Stewart, the sage of Comedy Central, is one of the few to be honest about it. "What if Bush ... has been right about this all along? I feel like my world view will not sustain itself and I may ... implode." Daniel Schorr, another critic of the Bush foreign policy, ventured, a bit more grudgingly, that Bush "may have had it right."

Right on what? That America, using power harnessed to democratic ideals, could begin a transformation of the Arab world from endless tyranny and intolerance to decent governance and democratization. Two years ago, shortly before the invasion of Iraq, I argued in these pages that forcefully deposing Saddam Hussein was, more than anything, about America "coming ashore" to effect a "pan-Arab reformation"--a dangerous, "risky and, yes, arrogant" but necessary attempt to change the very culture of the Middle East, to open its doors to democracy and modernity.

The Administration went ahead with this great project knowing it would be hostage to history. History has begun to speak. Elections in Afghanistan, a historic first. Elections in Iraq, a historic first. Free Palestinian elections producing a moderate leadership, two historic firsts. Municipal elections in Saudi Arabia, men only, but still a first. In Egypt, demonstrations for democracy--unheard of in decades--prompting the dictator to announce free contested presidential elections, a historic first.

And now, of course, the most romantic flowering of the spirit America went into the region to foster: the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, in which unarmed civilians, Christian and Muslim alike, brought down the puppet government installed by Syria. There is even the beginning of a breeze in Damascus. More than 140 Syrian intellectuals have signed a public statement defying their government by opposing its occupation of Lebanon.

To what do we attribute this Arab spring? While American (and European) liberal and "realist" critics are seeking some explanation, those a bit closer to the scene don't flinch from the obvious. "It is strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq," Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt explained to David Ignatius of the Washington Post. "I was cynical about Iraq. But when I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world. The Syrian people, the Egyptian people, all say that something is changing. The Berlin Wall has fallen. We can see it."

When Ronald Reagan declared that the unfreedom imposed by communism was simply unsustainable and that it should be not appeased or accommodated, but instead forced--by the power and will of free peoples--into the ash heap of history, he was ridiculed and patronized as a simpleton. Clark Clifford famously called him an amiable dunce. The amiable dunce went on to win the cold war.

Two decades later, another patronized President. Our intellectuals and Middle East "experts" have been telling us that Bush's grand project to democratize the region is the fantasy of a historical illiterate. Faced with the stunning Iraqi election, they went to great lengths to attribute this inconvenient yet undeniable success to the courage of the Iraqi people.

This is all very nice. But this courage was rather dormant before the American invasion. It was America's overthrow of Saddam's republic of fear that gave to the Iraqi people space and air and the very possibility of expressing courage.

Those now waxing rhapsodic about the courage of the natives and the beauty of people power need to ask themselves the obvious question: Why now? It is easy to get sentimental about people power. But people power does not always prevail. Indeed, it rarely prevails. It was crushed in Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Tiananmen Square 1989--and Iraq 1991. Matched against tyranny at its point of maximum cruelty, people power is useless.

In the 1991 uprising, tens of thousands of Shi'ites and Kurds were killed by the raw power of Saddam's helicopters and tanks and secret police. What was different this time? No Saddam. The American army had come ashore to disarm and depose him. After the sword, it provided the shield to allow 8 million Iraqis to revel in their first exercise of democratic self-governance.

Why now? Because until now the forces of decency in the region were alone and naked, cynically ignored by an outside world content to deal with their oppressors. Then comes America, not just proclaiming democratic liberation as its overriding foreign policy principle but sacrificing blood and treasure in the service of precisely that principle.

It was not people power that set this in motion. It was American power. People power followed. Which is why the critics of the Bush doctrine take refuge in a second Bush-free explanation. They locate the reason for this astonishing Arab spring, if not in people power from below, then in rot from above. These superannuated dictatorships, we are now told, were fossilized and frail, already wobbly and ready to fall, just waiting to be undone by the slightest challenge.

Interesting. If the rot was always there, why is it that these critics never said so before? They never suggested that we challenge these wobbly despots? In fact, they bitterly denounced the Bush doctrine for presuming to destabilize the region in pursuit of some democratic chimera? They opposed the Bush doctrine precisely because they preferred stability. They warned us darkly that the alternative to the status quo was the seething Arab street--an unruly mob, anarchic, anti-American, pan-Arabist or perhaps Islamist, ignorant of all liberal traditions and ready to rise up against America should it disturb the perfect order of things by "imposing democracy."

Turns out, the critics, liberal and "realist," got the Arab street wrong. In Iraq and Lebanon, the Arab street finally got to speak, and mirabile dictu, it speaks of freedom and dignity. It does not bay for American blood. On the contrary, its leaders now openly point to the American example and American intervention as having provided the opening for this first tentative venture in freedom.

What really changed in the Middle East? The Iraqi elections vindicated the two central propositions of the Bush doctrine. First, that the will to freedom is indeed universal and not the private preserve of Westerners. And second, that American intentions were sincere. Contrary to the cynics, Arab and European and American, the U.S. did not go into Iraq for oil or hegemony, after all, but for liberation--a truth that on Jan. 31 even al-Jazeera had to televise.

This was the critical event because Arabs have had good reason to doubt American sincerity: six decades of U.S. support for Arab dictators, a cynical "realism" that began with F.D.R.'s deal with Ibn Saud and reached its apogee with the 1991 betrayal of the anti-Saddam uprising that Bush 41 had encouraged in Iraq. Today, however, they see a different Bush and a different doctrine. What changed the climate in the Middle East was not just the U.S. invasion and show of arms. It was U.S. determination and staying power, and the refusal of its people last November to turn out a President who rejected an "exit strategy" but pledged instead to remain until Iraqi self-governance was secure.

It took this marriage of power, will and principle to produce the astonishing developments in the Middle East today. This is not to say that this spring cannot be extinguished. Of course it can. The dictators can still strike back, and we may flinch in defense of those they strike. History has yet to yield a verdict on the final outcome. But it has yielded one unmistakable verdict thus far: the idea that Arabs are not fit for or inclined toward freedom--the underlying assumption of those who denounced, ridiculed and otherwise opposed the democracy project--is wrong. Embarrassingly, scandalously, blessedly wrong.

—Joe Klein
TIME Magazine

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Posted by: HECK!

It's a shame that big business is the prime motivation.

Can anyone honestly say that this invasion of Iraq is totally and completely, 100% about democracy in Iraq....?

Before you answer that, take a look at the gas prices.

-HECK!

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Posted by: schmiggens

quote:
take a look at the gas prices.


I know it's but who is getting all money from the oil in Iraq now?
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Posted by: Curley Joe

quote:
schmiggens said this in post #3 :


I know it's but who is getting all money from the oil in Iraq now?


Here's the breakdown:
Bush gets 62%
Cheney gets 24%
Rumsfeld gets 11%
The remainder goes miscelaneous and to pay off the rest of the coalition.
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Posted by: oneofpeace

Regarding the title of this thread, history spoke long time ago, many of you simply refused to hear it.

We are still having many problems in Iraq and now that time has numbed much of the critique about the nonsense that led us to war, some would rather skip over it all and point to elections.

Lastly about the oil, I don’t think I’ve ever seen such narrow scoped visioned people in my life. Anyone who does not believe that Iraq is about oil, all of it, France, Germany, and the US are simply inexcusable to sound reasoning. Either that or you’re dishonest with us or yourselves.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

See the general breakdown of the profits in post #4. Bush is not so dumb, now is he?

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Posted by: oneofpeace

Although Bush’s IQ has been the subject of debate over the course of his administration, it is not he who is the subject of possibly lacking in unintelligence here.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

Since he receives roughly a 62% cut of all Iraq's oil profits, I should say not! They don't call it a Bush Dynasty for nothing.

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Posted by: oneofpeace

Nope sure done, ask the Saudis. You do remember them don't you? you know, the one's who supplied not only the Bush's with their billions but Al Qaida with their nutjob pilots on 9/11?

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Posted by: Curley Joe

Yup, nutjobs sure do have a role to play here…

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Posted by: Sierradaddy

I'll say this:

The U.S. made the right decision to invade Iraq. But that decision was made (apparently... ) based on horribly wrong intelligence, which says a whole lot whether this was a spin job to conceal the truth behind why America went after Iraq, or if it really WAS bad intelligence.

Saddam obviously should not have remained in control of Iraq. But the coalition forces didn't go about the invasion in the right way. They didn't exactly get it right during Desert Storm (Saddam lit up his own oil fields. That was spun into him being a lunatic for doing that. He wasn't a lunatic; he just knew what the U.S. was really after, because he was after the same thing when he went after Kuwait.), and they didn't get it right this time, when they had the opportunity to pressure the U.N. into taking action. What was the sense in all the political pressure upon Iraq for the months before the war, if the U.S. went to war without the approval of the U.N.?

It just doesn't make sense to me...

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Posted by: oneofpeace

I agree Sierradad.

It’s not about if Saddam should have remained in power which is something I don’t think they simply get, it was the arrogant way Bush went about it only to be proven wrong. Although I believe intelligence was not very accurate I don’t believe that was the reason we invaded. It was opportunity that Bush would not be denied. He wanted to and 9/11 gave him the reason to do it.

Funny thing is, I think Bush learned something as he’s much more diplomatic, a skill that still in need of much polishing where he’s concerned. However Sierradad you nailed it. Kuwait, burning of the wells, breaking UN sanctions, and the US invasion is all about the resources in the region.

At this point, I’m incline to believe only an idiot isn’t capable of seeing this. That doesn’t mean everyone disagreeing is an idiot. It just mean they are either lying or in denial of what they do see unfolding before their own eyes.

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Posted by: Curley Joe

"It is strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq," Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt explained to David Ignatius of the Washington Post. "I was cynical about Iraq. But when I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world. The Syrian people, the Egyptian people, all say that something is changing. The Berlin Wall has fallen. We can see it."

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Posted by: HECK!

"Pay no attention to the man behind the oil."

-HECK!

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Posted by: Curley Joe

3/14/2005

A quick look at Sunday's New York Times reveals a revolution of political thought sweeping through the Middle East.

On the front page above the fold, the Times reported that the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah has recognized that democratic convulsions experienced over the past week make political involvement in that troubled country a necessity.

That means that campaign signs will replace bus bombs in Lebanon sooner rather than later.

On the bottom of A1, Times readers learn a few interesting things.

First, we are told that Hamas is a philanthropic group.

Mind you the NYT reporter didn't write in his lead that Hamas was a philanthropic group who also happened to blow up six-year old kids waiting to go to schools at their bus stops. But that discussion is for another day.

For purposes of this note, just know that the Times is also reported that along with giving to charities in a way that would make Osama Bin Laden blush, Hamas is also moving aggressively into peaceful Palestinian politics.

The charity-loving terror group recognizes that their recent attacks have won them no friends among fellow Palestinians, and that freedom is the future even in their bloody back yard.

Inside the A section, the Times also reported that terror groups stationed in Iraq continue to send out messages over the Internet meant to inspire fellow terrorists to continue fighting for their cause. But those statements are sounding more defensive by the day.

Read through some of Hitler's final messages to the German people while the US Army and the Soviet war machine was racing toward Berlin and you will get a taste for the desperate tone.

There were other news reports from Egypt, Iraq, and Iran but all articles in Sunday's Times point in the same direction: to the spread of freedom and democracy in the Middle East.

At the end of 2004 while few in the MSM were giving the Iraqi elections any chance for success, I told you in this space that the elections would succeed and that I was naive enough to believe that peace could break out among Israelis and Palestinians in 2005.

I predicted that 2005 could be remembered as a historic year for freedom.

Less than three months later, we already find ourselves in a revolutionary age.

Once freedom is unleashed in a meaningful way, that tide of liberty usually sweeps away all those who stand in its path.

So it was in Eastern Europe in 1989. So it will be in the Middle East in 2005

—Joe Scarborough

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