The Dawn of a Glorious, Revolutionary Moment in the Mid East. "Thenk you, Mr. Boosh!" |
| Posted by: Curley Joe | | WASHINGTON -- Revolutions do not stand still. They either move forward or they die. We are at the dawn of a glorious, delicate, revolutionary moment in the Middle East. It was triggered by the invasion of Iraq, the overthrow of Saddam, and televised images of 8 million Iraqis voting in a free multiparty election. Which led to the obvious question throughout the Middle East: Why Iraqis and not us?
To be sure, the rolling revolution began outside the Middle East with the Afghan elections, scandalously underplayed in the American media. That was followed by the Iraqi elections, impossible to underplay even by the American media. In between came free Palestinian elections that produced a moderate reform-oriented leadership, followed by an amazing mini-uprising in the Palestinian parliament that rejected an attempt to force corrupt cronies on the new government.
And it continued -- demonstrations in Egypt for democracy, a shocking rarity that led President Mubarak to promise the first contested presidential elections in Egyptian history. And now, of course, the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon, where the assassination of opposition leader Rafiq Hariri led to an explosion of people power in the streets that brought down Syria's puppet-government in Beirut.
Revolution is in the air. What to do? We are already hearing voices for restraint about liberating Lebanon. Flynt Leverett, your usual Middle East expert, takes to The New York Times to oppose immediate withdrawal of Syria's occupation of Lebanon. Instead, we should be trying to ``engage and empower'' the tyranny in Damascus.
These people never learn. Here we are on the threshold of what Arabs in the region are calling the fall of their own Berlin Wall, and our ``realists'' want us to go back to making deals with dictators. It would be not just a blunder but a tragedy to try to rein in the revolution in Lebanon. It would betray our principles. And it would betray the people in Lebanon who have been encouraged by our proclamation of those principles.
Moreover, the Cedar Revolution promises not only to liberate Lebanon, but to transform the entire Middle East. Why? Because a forced Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon could bring down the Assad dictatorship. The road to Damascus goes through Beirut. And changing Damascus will transform the region.
We are not talking about invading Syria. We have done enough invading and there is no need. If Assad loses Lebanon, his regime could be fatally weakened.
For two reasons: economics and psychology. Like all Soviet-style systems, the Syrian economy is moribund. It lives off Lebanese commerce and corruption. Take that away and a pillar of the Assad kleptocracy disappears. As does the psychological pillar. Dictatorships like Assad's rule by fear, which is sustained by power and the illusion of power. Control of Lebanon is the centerpiece of that illusion. The loss of Lebanon, at the hands of unarmed civilians no less, would be a deadly blow to the Assad mystique, perhaps enough to revoke his mandate from heaven.
And why is Syria so important? Because Assad has succeeded Saddam as the principal bad actor in the region. Syria, an island of dictatorship in a sea of liberalization, is desperately trying to destabilize its neighbors. The Hariri bombing in Lebanon is universally believed to be the work of Syria. The orders for the Feb. 25 Tel Aviv bombing, deliberately designed to blow up the new Palestinian-Israeli rapprochement, came from Damascus. And we know that Syria is sheltering leading Baathist insurgents who are killing Iraqis and Americans by the score in Iraq.
There was a brief Damascus Spring five years ago when Syrians began demanding more freedom. Assad repressed it. Now 140 Syrian intellectuals have petitioned their own government to withdraw from Lebanon. They signed their names. The fear is lifting there too. Were the contagion to spread to Damascus, the entire region from the Mediterranean Sea to the Iranian border would be on a path to democratization.
This of course could all be reversed. Liberal revolutions were suppressed in Europe 1848, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968 and Tiananmen 1989. Nothing is written. Determined and ruthless regimes can extinguish revolutions. Which is why the worst thing we can possibly do is ``engage and empower'' the tyrants.
This is no time to listen to the voices of tremulousness, indecision, compromise and fear. If we had listened to them two years ago, we would still be doing oil-for-food, no-fly zones and worthless embargoes. It is our principles that brought us to this moment by way of Afghanistan and Iraq. They need to guide us now -- through Beirut to Damascus.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Why is it assumed that the Middle East wants a western-style democratic society?
Dictators, bad. Genocide, bad. America's reason for invading, bad.
The ends do not justify the means, no matter how many cartoons there are floating across the net.
Once again, if there was no money to be made, there would be no war.
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Left, little ol' me? Hardly.
But based on your equation, disagrees with CJ= lefty liberal, I can see why you would think that.
The method of madness begins to unravel... 
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
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HECK said this in post #5 :
…disagrees with CJ= lefty liberal... 
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Precisely. Same as it ever was. 
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| Posted by: Shadow Stalker | | Wow, if thats the standard of determining who is liberal and who isn't, then there sure are alot more liberals out there than I thought | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
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Shadow Stalker said this in post #8 :
Wow, if thats the standard of determining who is liberal and who isn't, then there sure are alot more liberals out there than I thought |
Apparently not nearly enough to win the presidency. 
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | What difference does that make? Who cares which side wins the presidency for a season, when it swings back and forth all the time, and in general, both sides have very similar agendae; only different methodology?
CJ, you almost make it sound like liberals will never win another election. That's ridiculous, and goes against democracy. If only one party always has power, then the inherent systemic balances that democracy is supposed to enable will be lost, and there goes the neighbourhood...  | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | | The most recent democratic candidate for the Presidency, John Kerry would have NEVER involved the U.S. in an Iraq invasion under his watch. John Kerry would have never even fought to remove Saddam out of Kuwait during the Gulf War—he voted against it. That's a mighty big difference in my book. Perhaps the biggest. But presently, I don't really feel like getting into the subject of how different Democrat and Republican agendas are—so don't get me started. They are! See many of my other posts. Books have been written on the subject. The new Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, is and was the most passionate and vocal anti-war Democrat and arguably the most liberal of all the active Dem officials. He has been chosen as the representative of the party. That should tell you something.
It's enough for me that Dem ideals are so different from mine that I would not dream of voting for a Dem ever again. But that's just me.
I support the USMC, Lt. Pantano | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: sordidmesh | | I love asking people "How'd that Kerry - Edwards bumper sticker work out for you?" I ask the question to people on the road at least 5 times a week. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Dekka00 | | sordidmesh:
completely off topic
but I checked out the links in your signature.
A SOLDIER WAS CHARGED WITH MURDER?
FOR FIRING UPON SOMONE...... DURING A WAR????!!!!
now do you understand why I am disgusting with our government? | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: HECK! | | Evidently there are rules of engagement during the war for more oil.
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | |
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Dekka00 said this in post #13 :
A SOLDIER WAS CHARGED WITH MURDER?
FOR FIRING UPON SOMONE...... DURING A WAR????!!!!
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Trully amazing, isn't it?
Evidently, the key prosecution witness was a disgruntled member of their unit.
Dave Gibson wrote:
Marine Lt. Ilario Pantano is being charged with the murder of two Iraqis. He is facing an Article 32 hearing, if found guilty--he could receive the death penalty.
The incident occurred on April 15, 2004. Pantano was leading his platoon on a search for weapons and terrorists, to a suspected hide-out near Baghdad. The search yielded several weapons, ammunition, as well bomb-making materials. During the search, two Iraqis ran out of the building and attempted to speed away from the scene in their truck.
The Iraqi vehicle was stopped. Lt. Pantano instructed the men to pull everything out of the truck, as bombs and booby-traps were suspected. The men began to act nervously and tried to run away. Pantano ordered them both to stop (in Arabic), they refused and he shot them.
Lt. Pantano's commanders conducted an investigation, which subsequently cleared him of any wrong-doing. He continued to serve out his tour of duty, then returned to the United States to Camp Lejeune. It was not until an as yet to be named enlisted man, filed a complaint against Lt. Pantano that an eyebrow was raised over the April 2004 combat incident. The enlisted man filed the complaint several months after the shootings took place.
This is a war? Right?
A little background on Lt. Pantano is necessary. He joined the Marine Corps at the age of 17. He is a veteran of the 1991 Gulf War, as well as the peacekeeping operations in Yugoslavia (1992). He left the Marines to attend New York University. After graduation, he went to work as a trader for Goldman Sachs. By 2000, Pantano was living in Manhattan and running his own company. In his spare time, he helped deliver food to some of New York's many homeless shelters.
By all accounts, the 9/11 attacks profoundly changed Pantano. Living and working around the smoldering ruins, which were once the World Trade Center, affected him deeply. The blow dealt to this nation by Islamic terrorists, moved Pantano (then 32) to re-enlist in the Marine Corps.
In 2004, he went to Iraq and fought with the Second Marine Division. He is a veteran of the bloody battle for Fallujah.
This young man is the very epitome of the "all-American kid." He is the type of person that any parent would be proud to call "son." He is also the type of man that this nation needs in this time of war. Yet, now he sits awaiting a trial which could very well end in his untimely death. Something is incredibly wrong with this nation's leadership.
Lt. Pantano killed two suspected Iraqi terrorists. So what? Our men are being blown to bits everyday in Iraq. THIS IS A WAR! Whether or not the two Iraqis were in fact terrorists will probably never be known. It does not matter. They were in the vicinity of a known terrorist hide-out and attempted to flee. Pantano gave them a chance to stop (even speaking to them in their own language). Just as the intentions of the two suspected terrorists will never be known, it will also never be known if Pantano's actions potentially saved the lives of several American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. However, that fact seems to be lost on our so-called "leaders."
Lt. Pantano has secured civilian attorney Charles Gittins. Gittins recently made this statement about his client: "Even if he's wrong, accidents happen in combat. This was a very stressful situation. These two guts are bad guys...He said 'stop' and they didn't and he said it in Arabic."
Lt. Pantano's mom (Merry Pantano) recently said of the charges: "Isn't it amazing? He can face the death penalty for doing his job on the battlefield, making split-second decisions."
Merry Pantano has set up a website to help defend not only her son, but other soldiers who have been wrongly accused of crimes, while serving their country. The site is www.defendthedefenders.org. She makes a statement on this website that will hopefully send shivers down the spines (if they have one) of every politician in Washington. Ms. Pantano proclaims: " I won't sit idly by while his reputation, honor, and sacrifices are diminished by bureaucrats squeamish with the sight of blood, while our country is at war."
Well said Ms. Pantano...well said!
The fact is, we are at war. Whether or not the left-wing media, or the ACLU, or even the Pentagon understands that...we are at war. War is often bloody and unfair. Both soldiers and civilians are killed. Lt. Pantano is a stand-up citizen and a tough Marine. What would we do without his kind? Who would then defend this nation?
We cannot continue to second-guess every shot fired by an American soldier. They are living and working in a combat zone. Do you think that this incident would have even been given a moment's consideration during WWII?
I would urge everyone to contact your Congressman and Senators. Call the White House, and the Pentagon. Shout it from the rooftops! We need to demand the release and dismissal of these politically-correct charges against the brave Lt. Pantano.
Please join in the support for Lt. Ilario Pantano!
May God Bless our warriors!
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| Posted by: Sierradaddy | | A lot of things that weren't given a moment's notice during WWII probably should have. That being said, if the story you're telling is accurate, then Lt. Pantano shouldn't be charged with anything. Still, this war has a lot of people looking in, and there's bound to be people crying foul from the rooftops, not just about the intentions behind the war, but right down to each bullet fired, and each decision made. That's the nature of this war. It sucks in a way, but in another way, it could be looked at from the angle that such deep probing is well-deserved, after such a huge "mistake" (yeah, right... Good spin...) was made on the part of U.S. intelligence regarding WMD's... | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: JY_French | | Pantano's story is amazing. I really don't get it. How can indecent bureaucrats prosecute a soldier caught in the obscenities of this war ? If the account of what happened is accurate, I don't see where the problem lays, excepted that the two fugitives should have been shot at in the legs instead of being shot down. That maybe is the concern.
As for the rest ... politicians who sent these soldiers on the ground are to be held responsible for the consequences of their wrong doings, and the Bush admin ranks first in the list of those on whom to lay blame. | | Reply To this Message
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| Posted by: Curley Joe | | Vice Admiral Albert Church has released his investigation of prisoner abuse by the American military. The headline in "The Washington Post" is "Abuse Review Exonerates Policy: Low-level Leaders and Confusion Blamed."
But the headline in "The New York Times" states: "Details of Afghan and Iraq Abuse Are Cited in Pentagon Report." It is not until the middle of the article that the "Times" gets around to the primary conclusion, "But the inquiry found that Pentagon officials and senior commanders were not directly responsible for the detainee abuses, and that there was no policy that approved mistreatment of detainees at prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."
That is the headline of the report. And that was buried by "The New York Times." The paper did this because for more than a year it has implied the Bush administration and the military instituted and approved a policy of abuse.
News headline, May 16, 2004: "Rumsfeld and Aide, Backed Harsh Tactics, Article Says". Editorial headline, August 26, 2004: "Holding the Pentagon Accountable for Abu Ghraib." News headline, January 17, 2005: "High-ranking Officers May Face Prosecution in Iraqi Prisoner Abuse, Military Officials Say."
Well, today, "The New York Times" "buried the lead" because the conclusion of the Church report is the exact opposite of what the paper has been reporting. It's as simple as that.
Now "Talking Points" has said right from the jump that all American abuse of prisoners must be investigated and punished if proven. But we believe in the presumption of innocence. Prove it. Don't imply something is true without hard evidence.
"The New York Times" and other left leaning media don't like the war in Iraq, despise President Bush. Thus the reporting these operations do is designed to prop up their editorial viewpoint. That is spin! S-p-i-n. Everybody got it?
One more thing: There's a chance that Admiral Church didn't get the situation correct. There's a chance someone high up in the military at the Defense Department did condone or cover up abuse. That possibility exists. But responsible news organizations do not hype stories and headline innuendo on a possibility.
The crux of the Church report is that no one in the administration or at the Pentagon ordered anyone to be abused. "The New York Times," once again, buried the headline and went with more descriptions of alleged abuse.
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